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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by Sig9mmAddict:
If I want a reliable personal defense gun or carry gun, I'll go with a Smith & Wesson revolver before a Grock.

Yeah, wouldn't want to miss out on that nifty internal lock. That would be a shame.

This is the first comment I've EVER heard on the grip lock, on this or the dark forum. Do you really have the grip lock, and if so, your thoughts, por favor.

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Originally posted by ny32182:
My G32 is finally supposed to get here next week.

Fine choice.

Proud owner of a Glock 17, 20, 29, 31, and 33.

V/R

Rocker

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Originally posted by jeremiahjj:

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by Sig9mmAddict:
If I want a reliable personal defense gun or carry gun, I'll go with a Smith & Wesson revolver before a Grock.

Yeah, wouldn't want to miss out on that nifty internal lock. That would be a shame.

This is the first comment I've EVER heard on the grip lock, on this or the dark forum. Do you really have the grip lock, and if so, your thoughts, por favor.

Para is referencing the internal locks found on new production S&W revolvers.

WJR

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by fox.ag:

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Many persons choose Glock when they can easily afford the higher priced pistols. In competition they are the choice by far.

I think The Sarge is right. I have had 3 Glocks. All three were good guns & fun to shoot. and yet... I still prefer a metal frame gun.

Yep. I've a marvelous selection of some very fine pistols at my disposal, yet I choose to carry the ugly, cheap ol' Glock.

Which glock do you carry para? Glock 19?

**Placeholder for me to explain why I finally crossed to the darkside tomorrow after work when, with any luck, I will have a G32 to add to the safe.**

I own a G21, G26, and G23 with 9mm conversion bbl. 9mm,.40cal,.45cal.

So it starts...
Thanks a lot Para


Sorry for the bad quality, its from the cell phone as my camera is at work.

Nice! The .357 Sig Glocks seemed to have picked up steam recently. I think it has a lot to do with that seems to be the only ammo you can still buy in bulk. Who would have thought it would take a person getting elected to make the .357 Sig popular. lol.

Yes, I went to the darkside too recently with a 33.

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Originally posted by Kegger26:
Nice! The .357 Sig Glocks seemed to have picked up steam recently. I think it has a lot to do with that seems to be the only ammo you can still buy in bulk. Who would have thought it would take a person getting elected to make the .357 Sig popular. lol.

It's sad, but that was a big reason I got this. A couple months ago, it was the ONLY handgun caliber at walmart. I said then I needed to own one so I could still shoot.

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Originally posted by sovietak474u:
Which glock do you carry para? Glock 19?

Yes, but I have a deep and abiding love also for the G17.

I suppose I fall into a third category outside "love 'em or leave 'em".

I like GLOCK, have owned several, and in my experience they're perfectly reliable and accurate handguns.

Yet whenever I operate one, I think "handgun", and that's it. I don't find them any more interesting than, say... a Makita drill.

Not sure why I feel that way.

Yet I think Para is right, in his prediction that I'll wind up buying another GLOCK one day.

Well I violated my no going to the range on weekends (too many idiots) rule, and boy did I pay for it. Morons shot down target carriers FOUR fucking times in less than an hour of shooting (I was there about 90 mins, they knocked 30 mins off the bill to make up for it ) yet the same idiot peppers the 3'x3' target at 5 yds like he's shooting crappy birdshot. How do they hit a string that's a couple millimeters wide?


Anyhow, fed 200 flawless, expensive and LOUD rounds through the 32. The big bang reminded me of my 686 snubby I never should've traded. I did note that Fiocchi (sp?) has much, much more of a muzzle flash than WWB does. I'm also shooting left and low for some reason with this one. But I...... like it?!?! (goes to shower).

I got a DeSantis holster on its way and picked up some Speer GD ammo for carry with it, gonna give the P245 a break, probably send it in to get the springs/pins replaced. Maybe refinished by CCR? Maybe have Greyguns do some of their magic? We'll see. Also gonna be getting a 9mm conversion barrel to make shooting more affordable.

Fresh Glock Kool Aid: http://www.theledger.com/artic.../NEWS/803130481/1004

The Police Department is ditching $38,000 worth of guns after two .45-caliber GAP Glock Model 37 pistols exploded in separate training incidents a year a part, causing minor injuries to an officer and a cadet.

The department tried to work out a solution with Glock. The gun's Georgia-based manufacturer offered to swap out the nearly 2 1/2-year-old guns if the department paid the company $10,000.

The first incident occurred in January 2007 when a Glock exploded while being used by Jean-Louis, a former cadet the department was sponsoring at the Polk Community College Kenneth C. Thompson Institute of Public Safety, which trains prospective police officers.


Department officials dismissed the incident as the fault of bad ammunition, and so did Glock.


The second incident, the one involving Scianiamancio, was this January during training at the department's shooting range at the Winter Haven Airport.


"We had another explode in the same fashion," LeVine said. "We've only got 90 guns, and two failed. It has caused a certain amount of uneasiness."
The issue seems to be with the gun, which only Glock makes, LeVine said.
The Polk County Sheriff's Office uses a different Glock, the .40-caliber Model 22 pistol, but there haven't been any incidents with it, said spokeswoman Carrie Rodgers.


The Sheriff's Office switched last year to the Glocks after using Smith & Wessons. The Glocks cost the agency $350 per gun, compared with $560 for the .45-caliber Smith & Wessons deputies were using.
"They're easier to fire, more accurate, and they hold more ammunition," Rodgers said.


Lake Alfred Police Chief Art Bodenheimer said he would never let his officers use a Glock after he saw a video demonstration of one being partially disassembled after being jammed.

His officers use Smith & Wessons instead, because it is an all-metal gun, compared to the plastic Glock, he said.


"I'm not a Glock enthusiast," Bodenheimer said.


The Winter Haven Police Department isn't the only one that has had problem with Glocks. At least two other law enforcement agencies have reported issues.


Two .45-caliber Glock Model 21 pistols exploded in the hands of two officers at the Portland Police Department, according to a 2004 article in The Oregonian newspaper. That department then switched to 9 mm Glocks.
In 2006, The Oregonian reported an officer who was injured when his gun exploded filed a multi-million-dollar lawsuit against Glock and the ammunition manufacturer.


In Pennsylvania, a training officer with the Upper Darby Township Police Department said his department used to carry the Glock Model 21 before it started jamming.


The department is now testing a different model of Glock. "We can't get a reason why it keeps happening," he said.


Guevara said Glock's guns aren't defective, and malfunctioning incidents at other agencies are attributed to ammunition or maintenance of the guns.
And the fact that the Portland Police Department switched to a different Glock model is an indication of how good Glock guns are, Guevara said.

SIGSense, you are only telling half the story.

http://www.theledger.com/artic...80314/NEWS/803140389

(Article written in the same paper the next day)

Ammo Maker: Our Bullets Blew Up Guns

By Merissa Green
The Ledger


Published: Friday, March 14, 2008 at 3:40 a.m.
Last Modified: Friday, March 14, 2008 at 6:24 a.m.
WINTER HAVEN | The company that manufactures the ammunition for the .45-caliber GAP Glock Model 37 is taking responsibility for guns exploding during two separate training incidents, slightly injuring a Winter Haven police officer and a former police cadet.


A spokesman for Speer Gold Dot, the manufacturer of the ammunition, said Thursday that a batch of bullets sent to the Winter Haven department was defective.

Speer Gold Dot said after the first incident in January 2007 it recalled the bullets sent to Winter Haven but that some of the ammunition remained at the department and was used when the second incident occurred earlier this year.

Winter Haven Police Chief Mark LeVine confirmed Thursday that Speer Gold Dot had recalled the bullets after the first failure. He said some of the ammunition was kept unknowingly and a bullet from that batch was involved in the second explosion.

LeVine said he's not convinced that the ammunition was the only problem and he still has concerns about the Glock handguns.

LeVine told The Ledger on Wednesday that the department was discontinuing use of the GAP Glock Model 37 because of concerns about safety.

A Glock spokesman on Wednesday said the company stood by the quality of its products, but that it hadn't been able to examine the firearms in the Winter Haven incidents and could not say whether there were any problems with them.

Glock has said that any problems with its firearms are the result of the ammunition in use or poor maintenance of the weapons.

On Thursday, a spokesman for Speer Gold Dot said the bullets, not the guns, caused the Winter Haven explosions.

"I made 500 bad cartridges and I shipped them to the Winter Haven Police Department," said Ernest Durnham, cartridge engineer for Speer.

"If I had a problem with my product, then I'll be completely honest with my customer," he said. "And I think that's why Speer Gold is the No. 1 market leader."

Durham said he reviewed quality-control records and concluded the batch the Winter Haven Police Department received should not have been sent.

The Winter Haven Police Department was the only law enforcement agency to receive the bad ammunition, he said.

"The goal of any factory is to have zero defects," Durham said. "My ammunition defect rate is less than 1 in 50 million."

In the Winter Haven incidents, police Officer Frank Scianimanico, 32, and Rodrique Jean-Louis, 20, a former cadet at the Polk Community College Kenneth C. Thompson Institute of Public Safety, suffered bruised fingers. The first occurred in January 2007 and the second in January this year.

LeVine sent a memo in February to his officers saying they could use their own weapons, as long as they met the department's requirements, until the agency buys replacements.

The Police Department will test other weapons next week.

Some agencies have reported problems with Glock products and others have said they have not encountered any problems.

The Portland, Ore., Police Department was once involved in litigation with Glock after two .45-caliber Glock Model 21 pistols exploded in the hands of two officers, Portland Police Sgt. Brian Schmautz said.

City officials there spent a lot of money to investigate the matter but have since resolved the issue with Glock and the department now uses a 9mm Glock.

"Our training division was satisfied with the transition," he said. "(Glock) accepted no liability for what occurred so we moved on."

In a separate litigation, one of the injured Portland police officers filed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit against Glock and the ammunition manufacturer. The lawsuit hasn't been resolved.

The Polk County Sheriff's Office switched to a Glock .40-caliber Model 22 pistol, and there haven't been any incidents with it, said spokeswoman Carrie Rodgers.

Hahahahahahaha! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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Originally posted by Snake207:
SIGSense, you are only telling half the story.

http://www.theledger.com/artic...80314/NEWS/803140389

(Article written in the same paper the next day)

Ammo Maker: Our Bullets Blew Up Guns

By Merissa Green
The Ledger

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witched to a Glock .40-caliber Model 22 pistol, and there haven't been any incidents with it, said spokeswoman Carrie Rodgers.

For my part, for a company to own up to something like this makes them Number 1 in my book! I'm glad I just ordered 250 rounds of 10mm from them. Now if the ammo will just show up on my doorstep I will be a happy camper.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by sovietak474u:
Which glock do you carry para? Glock 19?

Yes, but I have a deep and abiding love also for the G17.

I do too But I gots the most love for my Glock 21. If I could only have one pistol , it would be my glock 21

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Originally posted by Snake207:
SIGSense, you are only telling half the story.

You're absolutely correct. I was not aware of the article you posted. Thanks for digging up the rest of the story. Glad it was the ammo and that the manufacturer stood up.