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Originally posted by parabellum:
Let's see : They know what they're doing versus They're fumbling in the dark

I'm gonna go with the fumbling thing.

The further we go, the less we know. Might as well set loose the leeches to wrest the body of bad humours.
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CDC: Studies Propelling Shift in Mask Guidance Not Available

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...uYw12uD5oJjPnYkuOjTf

The studies that prompted the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to change their mask guidance for vaccinated persons are not available, a spokesperson told The Epoch Times on Wednesday.

“They have not been published yet,” the spokesperson said.

Dr. Rochelle Walensky, the CDC’s director, told reporters on July 27 that she had seen “new scientific data from recent outbreak investigations” indicating the Delta variant of the virus that causes COVID-19 was presenting more uniquely than other strains.

“Information from several states and other countries indicates that in rare occasions, some vaccinated people infected with the Delta variants after vaccination may be contagious and spread the virus to others,” she said.

That motivated officials at the agency to change masking guidance. Fully vaccinated persons, told two months ago they could stop wearing masks indoors, are now being told to don the coverings when inside.

Multiple states and businesses quickly adopted the recommendations.

But the CDC’s webpage outlining the new advice does not cite any studies or research.

A related science brief linked on the page cites a single study from the United States when discussing the data Walensky mentioned.

That study came from researchers at Houston Methodist, a hospital system in Texas in the news recently for mandating all employees get a COVID-19 vaccine.

Researchers said that the Delta variant caused a higher rate of breakthrough cases, or infections among the vaccinated.

The study is preprint, meaning it is not yet peer-reviewed. The medRxiv platform, which hosts the preprints, warns not to use such studies “to guide clinical practice.”

The CDC also cited “studies from India” that “noted relatively high viral loads and larger cluster sizes associated with infections with Delta, regardless of vaccination status.”

The studies concern vaccines not authorized for use in the United States. The study sourced in footnotes on the page has not been peer-reviewed and was listed as “reject after peer review.”

“These early data suggest that breakthrough Delta infections are transmissible. Unpublished data are consistent with this, and additional data collection and studies are underway to understand the level and duration of transmissibility from Delta vaccine breakthrough infections in the United States and other settings,” the CDC stated.

The CDC spokesperson told The Epoch Times they did not know if the Texas and India studies were used to inform the mask guidance change.

The reason all the vaccinated people are getting the virus is because the unvaccinated people who refuse to get the vaccine are still spreaders to the vaccinated people. Yes this was actually told to me on another forum with nods of agreement all around. I’m sorry there’s just no way to deal with the entire lack of common sense once it reaches this level.

if you are vaccinated and it works, why are you worried about someone who isn't?

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
The reason all the vaccinated people are getting the virus is because the unvaccinated people who refuse to get the vaccine are still spreaders to the vaccinated people.

So, the illegals streaming across the border are the cause

Has there ever been a naturally occurring virus that mutates this quickly? I’m assuming it was tinkered with. When do we start holding governments accountable?

The mutation rate of SARS-CoV-2 is actually slow compared with other RNA viruses. I think it's something like half the rate of the flu, for example. This is due to the coronavirus having a built-in "proofreading" mechanism which by definition limits replication errors.

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Originally posted by sigalert:
Has there ever been a naturally occurring virus that mutates this quickly? I’m assuming it was tinkered with. When do we start holding governments accountable?

Coronavirus is a cold virus. It has always mutated very quickly. Any vaccine for it is likely obsolete before it completes development.

Update: Feel pretty much back to normal today (day 4). Cant smell anything, but no fever or chills or any other general illness symptoms. The 8 year old doesnt feel jack, the 4 year old has a mild cough and low fever- acting normal. 5 month old baby just got a fever today and is a bit cranky, thats about it. Wife has a headache but nothing else, her test results cane back positive today. She got the Moderna vaccine in march so we’ll see how it goes for her.
Thanks for the well wishes!

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Hopefully the good luck continues. Heal well.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
if you are vaccinated and it works, why are you worried about someone who isn't?

I personally think the "vaccine" (and I use that term EXTREMELY loosely) was a mechanism for the government to actually SPREAD the virus to its submissive subjects, the sheep, thus requiring more shutdowns, masks, control, violation of personal Liberty and Freedom, etc., etc., etc. That's how far the bullshitists have pushed me.....

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...-vaccination-status/

The Pentagon on Wednesday directed that “all individuals” — regardless of vaccination status — wear a mask indoors at Department of Defense (DOD) installations and facilities in areas of “substantial or high transmission” of coronavirus as defined by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC).

The definition of “substantial” transmission in an area, per the CDC, is 50 to 99.99 new cases in the last seven days per 100,000 persons. The definition of “high” transmission is equal to or more than 100 new cases in the last seven days per 100,000 persons. The CDC posted current rates for specific counties on its website.

Deputy Secretary Hicks has directed that all individuals, regardless of vaccination status, wear masks in indoor settings at Department of Defense installations and facilities in areas of substantial or high transmission, as defined by the CDC, to protect against rising COVID-19 cases. Today’s announcement applies to all service members, federal personnel, contractors, and visitors when indoors at all properties owned by the Department in those areas, in accordance with updated CDC guidelines

The new policy also instructs that the department provide masks for personnel coming onto a DOD installation and that DOD personnel should comply with CDC guidance on where masks should be worn, including in airports.

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
I personally think the "vaccine" (and I use that term EXTREMELY loosely) was a mechanism for the government to actually SPREAD the virus to its submissive subjects, the sheep, thus requiring more shutdowns, masks, control, violation of personal Liberty and Freedom, etc., etc., etc. That's how far the bullshitists have pushed me.....

You might be right. Kind of like a covid virus making factory. God Bless

https://www.eutimes.net/2021/0...with-spike-proteins/


The first-ever postmortem study of a patient vaccinated against COVID-19 has revealed that viral RNA was found in every organ of the patient’s body, meaning that the vaccine is either ineffective or the coronavirus actually spreads faster in vaccinated individuals.

The scientific report out of Germany published by the International Journal of Infectious Diseases in June examined the autopsy of an 86-year-old man who had received a single dose of the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine but died 4 weeks later after becoming infected with the virus by a nearby patient at a hospital.

From the “First case of postmortem study in a patient vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2“:

We report on an 86-year-old male resident of a retirement home who received vaccine against SARS-CoV-2. Past medical history included systemic arterial hypertension, chronic venous insufficiency, dementia and prostate carcinoma. On January 9, 2021, the man received lipid nanoparticle-formulated, nucleoside-modified RNA vaccine BNT162b2 in a 30 μg dose. On that day and in the following 2 weeks, he presented with no clinical symptoms.

On day 18, he was admitted to hospital for worsening diarrhea. Since he did not present with any clinical signs of COVID-19, isolation in a specific setting did not occur. Laboratory testing revealed hypochromic anemia and increased creatinine serum levels. Antigen test and polymerase chain reaction (PCR) for SARS-CoV-2 were negative.

But the study notes that by day 25, that vaccinated patient had tested positive for COVID-19, presumably from a nearby COVID-infected patient in his hospital room, and died of kidney and respiratory failure the following day.

SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins were present in nearly all the vaccinated patient’s organs.

“In summary, the results of our autopsy case study in a patient with mRNA vaccine confirm the view that by first dose of vaccination against SARS-CoV-2 immunogenicity can already be induced, while sterile immunity is not adequately developed,” the study concluded.

In other words, although the COVID-19 vaccine triggered an immune response within the body, it didn’t appear to stop the spread of the virus, and therefore the spread of harmful viral spike proteins, throughout the body.

This is just more bombshell scientific evidence that the COVID-19 vaccine likely does more harm than good, and may actually even accelerate the spread of the coronavirus.

The vaccine used is BNT162b2. This is the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine.

All of these new mask and vaccination mandates are for one thing and one thing only - preparation for the slew of statewide executive orders changing the voting rules for 2022. That's it. They saw how well it worked in 2020 and they plan on going bigger and bolder in 2022.

And the republican party could care less.

Sydney Sends In Military To Help Enforce Lockdown Amid Record Jump In COVID Cases

https://www.zerohedge.com/geop...ord-jump-covid-cases

Despite being locked down for nearly a month now, Sydney has just reported a record one-day rise in local COVID cases on Thursday as public health authorities warned that the outbreak would likely worsen, inspiring them to once again turn to the Australian military for help.

According to Reuters, Sydney, Australia's most populous city, has struggled to contain an outbreak of the highly infectious Delta variant with another economy-crippling lockdown. Instead, cases have continued to move higher, leading public health authorities to double down on their efforts to protect against a broader outbreak of the delta variant, believed to be far more infectious than other strains.

But that didn't stop authorities from counting 239 locally transmitted cases in the past 24 hours, the biggest daily increase for Sydney since the pandemic began. We should note that Australia's COVID issue has never really been all that bad: nationwide, the country of 26MM has counted fewer than 1,000 deaths since the start of the pandemic, a far lower rate.

"We can only assume that things are likely to get worse before they get better given the quantity of people infectious in the community," said New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian told reporters in Sydney.

Berejiklian said one more person had died from COVID-19, taking the death toll from the current outbreak to 13, while the national death toll rose to 921.

Unfortunately for Berejiklian, who has emerged as a kind of villain for the small business owners and restaurateurs who fear they're about to be crushed by a "double dip" recession, the Australian military is probably better at twerking than fighting viruses.

But that won't stop her from calling in the military to help enforce an even more restrictive lockdown that will now be imposed on the southern and

With little sign that recent restrictions are reducing case numbers, Berejiklian said new curbs would be imposed on the southwestern and western parts of Sydney where the majority of COVID-19 cases are being found.

The more than 2MM residents living in eight Sydney "hotspots" will now be forced to wear masks outdoors and must stay within 5 km (3 miles) of their homes at all times. These tighter restrictions are set to begin on Friday, and the NSW Police have requested 300 military personnel to help enforce the lockdown orders, whether that's by handing out fines, or ensuring that those under the most restrictive quarantine orders don't violate them.

"With an increase in enforcement activity over the coming week, I have now made a formal request to the prime minister for (Australian Defence Force) personnel to assist with that operation," New South Wales Police Commissioner Mick Fuller said in an emailed statement.

The decision comes one day after Berejiklian extended the Sydney-area lockdown by another month (while allowing a few exceptions for construction workers and others to keep projects moving along). The restrictions are set to remain in effect for at least another one (or two, as Goldman and some other Wall Street strategists have posited) due to shortages of the Pfizer vaccine and other jabs. While most adults have been encouraged to get the AstraZeneca jab, reports about side effects involving potentially deadly blood clots have made many wary.

You have to wear a mask comprised of leeches...

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Originally posted by 18DAI:
Sir, if we get the leeches, do we still have to wear the masks?........or do we wear two masks?

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The first-ever postmortem study of a patient vaccinated against COVID-19 has revealed that viral RNA was found in every organ of the patient’s body, meaning that the vaccine is either ineffective or the coronavirus actually spreads faster in vaccinated individuals.

The scientific report out of Germany published by the International Journal of Infectious Diseases in June examined the autopsy of an 86-year-old man who had received a single dose of the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine but died 4 weeks later after becoming infected with the virus by a nearby patient at a hospital.

All of this evidence coming out is showing that the "vaccine" is no panacea, and may actually do more harm than good for many people.
And yet, they want to take away the individual right to choose?
What about informed consent?

It was inevitable that this hysterically hyped pathogen would be used as a political tool. Many warned from day one that it was a spectacularly bad idea to allow the government to dictate mandates in the name of 'public health', but we were assured the right of the government to dictate 'public health' measures was firmly established. Free Americans never should have allowed our broken government to assert this kind of arbitrary political nonsense...anarchy would be preferable to enslavement.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
Let’s all mask up and shut down. Just two weeks to flatten the curve, don’t cha know.

Yeah, a lot of people, me included, bought that line the first time around. We won't get fooled again.

Btw: Everybody at one of my next-door-neighbors is sick. All three had previously tested positive for Covid-19 and all three got vaccinated, anyway.

Australian Army deployed to Sydney for the never-ending casedemic there as they continue to commit national suicide chasing an impossible “Zero Covid” goal:



Despite being locked down for nearly a month now, Sydney has just reported a record one-day rise in local COVID cases on Thursday as public health authorities warned that the outbreak would likely worsen, inspiring them to once again turn to the Australian military for help.