Just as a point of reference, it is well understood that in the event of an airliner hijacking with crew and/or passengers being held hostage, losing hostages is the least bad outcome. If it is believed terrorists have control of the aircraft and are posing a likely threat to people on the ground, the military can shoot down the airliner (with POTUS authorization). If there happens to be air marshalls on board, they may choose to shoot through hostages in order to neutralize terrorists, if it seems likely that the terrorists pose a threat to people on the ground. Likewise, the pilots will never open the door to terrorists even if they are killing hostages in the passenger cabin, because we know the terrorists will then use the aircraft as a weapon against people on the ground.

In all of those scenarios, it is clear that very many more people will be killed if the terrorists are not stopped. As horrible as it would be, it is less horrible to lose one plane load of people than lose thousands on the ground.

I hope that some miracle brings all the hostages back alive and unharmed. But Israel has to look at a broader picture than just the hostages. If they were to retreat or give other concessions in order to save hostages, it is certain the long term consequences will be massively worse for Israel.

Israel really has no choice but to eliminate Hamas and as much of their foreign support as possible. It is a terrible situation for the decision makers and the troops.

^^^ An interesting tactic.

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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
Israel really has no choice but to eliminate Hamas and as much of their foreign support as possible.

And then occupy Gaza forever.

Interesting that all the peaceniks aren't protesting for the hostages to be returned, just that Hamas doesn't get punished.

This tells me they don't support peace, just killing Jews.

"I'm listening to David D. on Spaces explaining that Israel is pumping purple smoke into tunnels and bombing wherever the purple comes up elsewhere."


made me smile

"pumping a bright colored gas (orange perhaps) into the tunnels and observing where the gas appears on the ground surface to identify tunnel entrances"

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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
Israel really has no choice but to eliminate Hamas and as much of their foreign support as possible.

And then occupy Gaza forever.

That would be the best I think. No matter what Israel does or how they do it, all Jew haters across the world will continue to hate them even more. So you might as well take it back over and make it 100% Israeli citizen ONLY land. Whoever is left after the battle is done will need to leave, since they will hate Israel and all her citizens even more than they did previously. I'm afraid the world will be telling Netanyahu to do just the opposite, I pray he refuses all of it and does what is best for Israel.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...hortages/ar-AA1j2h0O

Western defense officials worry that with Israel going to war as the West battles Russia by proxy in Ukraine, there won’t be enough artillery shells and other weapons to keep both allies in the fight.

The issue is concerning NATO planners even though Israel isn’t a member of the alliance and few European countries supply it with military equipment.

“Of course” there are concerns about competition for military resources because of limited production capacity, said Göran Mårtensson, director general of the Swedish Defense Materiel Administration, which handles procurement for the country’s defense ministry. “There will be more need for that limited production capacity in Europe and the U.S.”

Sweden hosted the meeting as a candidate for NATO membership and hopes soon to become a full member.

Since Russia launched its large-scale invasion of Ukraine roughly 20 months ago, defense contractors across the West have geared up production, but output remains below the volumes of ammunition and equipment being spent on Ukraine’s battlefields.

Bringing new facilities online can take from two to five years

With demand increasing faster than production, prices of some supplies have soared. NATO-standard 155-millimeter artillery shells, one of the West’s most basic armaments, had cost governments about $2,100 apiece

The price of those shells has increased to about $8,400

Industry officials say they need assurances that demand won’t drop at the cessation of hostilities, undercutting companies’ investments, as has happened in the past.

The U.S. has begun moving in recent months by pumping billions of dollars into retooled factories to produce more rockets, missiles, shells and rocket motors. It has issued almost $25 billion in contracts to arm Ukraine and replenish U.S. stocks.

Bill LaPlante, the Defense Department’s acquisition chief, has called in recent weeks for European countries to sign more contracts to encourage industry.

General Dynamics, the biggest U.S. artillery shell producer, said it expects the Israeli conflict to boost demand already elevated by Ukraine.

“The biggest one to highlight, and it sticks out, is on the artillery side,” said Chief Financial Officer Jason Aiken of the recent $106 billion supplemental funding request from the White House, which includes further support for Ukraine and Israel, as well as Taiwan. “The Israeli situation is only going to put upward pressure on that demand.”

The Pentagon has sent back to Israel stocks of its shells relocated this year to replenish U.S. forces in Europe, a senior defense official said this week.

Boeing rushed shipments to Israel at the start of the latest conflict, including its small diameter bombs and joint direct attack munition kits that turn them into more precise weapons. Normally, these would be sent by sea, but these came from existing Israeli orders and were flown over.

General Dynamics said it has been able to boost production of artillery shells and other munitions faster than expected, boosted by Pentagon investment in new facilities. The company is targeting annual production of one million shells, a fivefold increase.

You could go limited nuke and save money if that is the priority

Limited how? Like a non-smoking section in a restaurant or a non-peeing area of a swimming pool?

We should never have let our military production capacity wither. It should have been maintained as critical infrastructure.

Until we all become angels, war is an inevitability because man's capacity for stupidity is limitless.

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Limited how? Like a non-smoking section in a restaurant or a non-peeing area of a swimming pool?

It would be like Mass nuking RI, I'm sure there'd be no downside whatsoever.

Unless you live in Rhode Island.

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Unless you live in Rhode Island.

Or Conn, NY, Mass.

Other than that, no big deal.

Neutron bombs might be useful. Relatively little fallout I understand.

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Originally posted by lkdr1989:
Interesting that all the peaceniks aren't protesting for the hostages to be returned, just that Hamas doesn't get punished.

This tells me they don't support peace, just killing Jews.

An opportunity has been missed. Each of these idiots should have been dealt with like the villagers in Band of Brothers, and made to go over there and clean up the mess. A few days of picking up rotting body parts would open some eyes. It's easy to spout off on your ideology du jour from the safety of Ithaca, NY. Not so much when you're ankle deep in blood.

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[url=https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1719083

Outstanding.Exterminate them and bury them all at the same time. No muss, no fuss.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Limited how? Like a non-smoking section in a restaurant or a non-peeing area of a swimming pool?

25,50,100 etc. mile radius
Something like that
the U.S.’s newest version of its B61 nuclear bomb can release 0.3, 1.5, 10 or 50 kilotons of explosive energy. In comparison, the Hiroshima bomb was about 15 kilotons.

Definitely won't adhere to the non-smoking regulations tho'....

Let's not wish for use of weapons that create fallout of any magnitude.