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Originally posted by bigwagon:
If Trump's approach was successful, we would have seen a red tidal wave. We didn't. That means Republicans need to try a different approach. I do think part of the issue was that he backed some bad candidates and the anti-Biden sentiment was not strong enough to overcome that in a few key races.

The entire GOP didn't have a message to run on, so it's not all on him. However, Trump is less concerned with the best candidate vs picking someone loyal to him. It also doesn't help that he can't simply campaign for candidates without taking shots at DeSantis or teasing that he is going to announce soon. The focus should have been on winning this election and saving the country from where we are heading. What is clear is that DeSantis has a message that resonates.

I can't help but think it's time to move on from Trump. Then I think, that's what they want me to think.

So many times I thought what Trump was saying was so crazy it was going to hurt us. But about every time I find that it was calculated and benefited our side.

The comments on Desantis, I don't get them. But they are non-consequential at this point aren't they? Florida is red. It's a while before the Presidential election. Sit tight is my thought.

For months, all the talking heads on tv, and the Republican politicians could talk about was the upcoming "red wave." I kept thinking to myself, they need to STFU.

Well, guess what! Every libtard crawled out from under their rocks to make sure it didn't happen. Never underestimate the ability of the Republicans to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

In general, about 40% of voters will always vote for their the candidate their party runs. In other words, there are about 20% that can be persuaded to vote one way or the other.
That means elections are won two ways.
Get out your core party line voters.
Next, try to move the needle with the other 20% and get just over half so you are over 50%.

The impressive aspect of the DeSantis victory is that he won by about 19%. That means he not only got out the party line folks, he won almost all the independent ones in the middle.

Abortion was the hidden issue in this election cycle, more than the R party believed, more so than we thought,

Half this country is women, clearly when you look at the defeat the KY Constitutional amendment on banning abortions took, that made it a voter issue.

One reason I'm against these constitutional measures, any group can toss one up and drive voters to the polls like pot, abortion, and get more voters of their side in the booth.

People may overlook some of the economic issues when there are to them more important problems such as abortion rights.

As for Trump, like the guy, like his energy, however I'm not sure he could ever win, with the voting rules changed, swing state elections now D controlled, and as many folks like him, 1.5 people don't. Just look at how many D showed up in mass at the last election, we saw 80 million votes for Potato Joe, they didn't vote in the new green deal, they voted against DJT.

Nobody wants 4 more years of the constant shit show that comes with him, regardless of who threw the first horse biscuit.

Too many votes from the heart and too few from the head.

The Georgia Secretary of State's office is now reporting 100% of votes counted.

Warnock -- 49.41% -- 1,941,275 votes
Walker -- 48.52% -- 1,906,192 votes

The Libertarian candidate received the balance, 2.07%, 81,173 votes.

https://results.enr.clarityele...07039/#/detail/10100

Assuming this is certified, this will now go to a runoff on December 6th since no one received 50%. With the flood of adds to come, Georgia will be hell for the next month. The winner may determine which party controls the Senate.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

This is just campaign Trump: He absolutely savaged all opponents, real or perceived, until they weren't opponents, and then he had nothing bad to say about them. The same people crying about what he said about DeSantis last night are the same people who cried when he was going on about Little Marco or Low-Energy Jeb. When it's time again to play for keeps, I hope they decide to grow a fucking spine and line up for the man like they should have done in 2016 and 2020.

It’s not what he said about DeSantis but when he said it. He could have waited a few days to start his attacks on the guy. I get what you are saying about being in campaign mode, all the candidates attack each other, but Trump seems to spend every day in campaign mode even when he isn’t on the ballot.

I’m a big Trump supporter but I don’t think that admitting that the guy isn’t perfect makes me spineless.

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Originally posted by xd45man:
Too many votes from the heart and too few from the head.

women = emotions

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
In general, about 40% of voters will always vote for their the candidate their party runs. In other words, there are about 20% that can be persuaded to vote one way or the other.
That means elections are won two ways.
Get out your core party line voters.
Next, try to move the needle with the other 20% and get just over half so you are over 50%.

The impressive aspect of the DeSantis victory is that he won by about 19%. That means he not only got out the party line folks, he won almost all the independent ones in the middle.

I think this summary is excellent. The key to winning the middle is to understand what are the key issues, what strategy one has to tackle them, communicating said strategy more effectively than your opponent and to shape current events in the best possible manner (typically through influence within one's party and/or gov't).

Many Millennials expect handouts so I fully expect them to be libtard and I think many young conservative males secretly want abortion to be available b/c one never knows if their fucking around may require it. So I too understand SCOTUS' decision but the timing was unfortunate (not for the innocent mind you) and in particular the GOP candidates strategy/messaging around it were poorly thought out in many cases... as we saw last night.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
You guys are somethin' else.

This teeth gnashing against Trump all looks familiar .

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Originally posted by HRK:
Abortion was the hidden issue in this election cycle, more than the R party believed, more so than we thought,

Yes, it seems that the "we'll make you poorer and less safe, but as a tradeoff we'll let you kill your babies" message worked somehow.

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Half this country is women, clearly when you look at the defeat the KY Constitutional amendment on banning abortions took, that made it a voter issue.

How do we make the liberal white woman irrelevant? Perhaps Borat was right...



Kidding of course. Just bringing a little humor into the thread

Abortion was always going to be a tough one; people have grown up believing that what they think about abortion defines them as a person. Abortion is, believe it or not, not the only issue that plays out that way or that can have an effect on an election, and dour comments about "they're not happy unless they can kill babies" isn't going to change that.

We have about a year to figure out exactly what we think of Trump's competitiveness for office.

We have (at the very least) a back-up option in De Santis.

What we really needed to do in this election, and still need to do in some way going forward, is figure out how to address the continuing use of Dominion, vote counts that take days and inevitably wind up being completed out of sight of observers, the arbitrary treatment of mail-in or dropoff ballots, and so forth.

Who the presidential candidate will be will sort itself out. Given how divided the electorate is, the GOP (since no one else will do it) will have to have a plan to ensure that the votes in close races are fairly counted.

FWIW, I'm in the "they need to feel more pain from their own mistakes before they'll change" camp. No, not all voters, not by a long shot. But yes, certainly in those areas where the vote tallies were close.

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Originally posted by oddball:
^^^^^^^^^

If Tshibaka can hold on to the lead in Alaska, we can get rid of Murkowski, who is essentially a Democrat with her voting record.

Tshibaka is in the lead in Alaska but it doesn't mean she's going to win. With ranked choice voting that we now have if a candidate does not receive 50% + 1 of the vote it goes to instant runoff. What that means is that the last place candidate is eliminated and their second choice votes are allocated to the remaining candidates.

Tshibaka is currently at 44% with Murkowski at 43%. Buzz Kelly another republican is in last with 3%. His allocation of votes will not be enough to push either candidate over 50%. So then 3rd place is Patricia Chesbro the democrat with 10% of the vote. I'm betting the majority of her second place votes are for Murkowski and not Tshibaka.

Which means even though she received the most votes, Tshibaka loses to Murkowski and Murkowski will get elected to her 4th full term in the Senate without ever having received a majority of the vote in any election.

Fetterman had a tough night.

All this proves we are ungovernable as a country!
Soo, where do we go from here?

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Originally posted by BBMW:
Maybe because Kemp came off as more rational and competent?

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Originally posted by BigSwede:
How the hell did Kemp get 2.1 million votes and Herschel Walker only has 1.9 million?

Voting for Kemp and then voting for a fake man of God makes zero sense to me



I think Trump could help DeSantis win the Presidency in 2024 if he chose to run, there will still be a huge "anyone but Trump" crowd.

Kirk is saying AZ will go our way.

I think Trump did an amazing job as President. He woke up the masses to a lot of stuff going on that was bad and I am forever grateful. He also awoke a propaganda machine not seen since WWII Germany. With the left controlling so much of the media, we simply cannot afford to waste so much capital defending their attacks against one man, when one man alone is not enough to get the job done. If Trump could stay out of the spotlight, which I personally have my doubts about his ability to do so, then he can motivate the base when needed, but without alienating independents and younger voters. He needs to make room for someone that can do maybe 90% of what Trump would have thought of doing, but is more palatable your younger voters and independents.

The other thing that needs to be done is the GOP needs to forget about the abortion issue nationally. If asked about it the reply needs to be that it’s a state’s rights issue and not up to the federal government. The GOP, nationally, needs to stop being the pro life party, and be the state’s rights party. We got beat last night by pro abortionists and their fear mongering, and by some poor candidates that Trump supported due to their loyalty, not their electability. Honestly, most people that were happy for the overturn of Roe v. wade were overwhelmingly in support for abortion on demand for victims of rape or incest. The left was able to capitalize on women’s fear of losing the ability to have an abortion for safety reasons, or if they were ever the victims of rape or incest because regardless of what an individual GOP candidate thought, they can’t ever say that they think abortion is ok for cases of rape or incest for fear that the most radical in the GOP would cut them off. The GOP had a winnable message with wanting to seek limitations on late term abortions, most people were opposed to them. The GOP should be happy with their victories and stop being seen as anti abortion for a while. The left beat the crap out of the GOP with the abortion issue, but the GOP candidates were simply unable to defend themselves due to the most radical portions of the party.

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Originally posted by 2000Z-71:
Which means even though she received the most votes, Tshibaka loses to Murkowski and Murkowski will get elected to her 4th full term in the Senate without ever having received a majority of the vote in any election.

Yes, you're correct. Worst case is that Alaska will still be officially represented by an "R"in Murkowski.

With Alaska, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada the deciders, that makes it really R49 D48 in the Senate right now.

Georgia, Nevada, and Arizona all were blue before the election. So Dems cannot win anymore States, they are only defending.
If Democrats defend all three, GA, NV, and AZ, then they will have 48 +3 =51
If they defend only 2 then they will have 48+2 = 50
If they defend only 1 then they will have 48+1 =49
If they defend 0 then they will have 48+0 =48