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Originally posted by Appliance Brad:
I expect a flurry of anti-gun legislation come this January

At which point my wife and I will begin plans to leave Michigan.

"The other thing that needs to be done is the GOP needs to forget about the abortion issue nationally."


Totally agree. When Graham introduced the ban bill, it was a WTF moment



Graham's abortion ban stuns Senate GOP


https://www.politico.com/news/...-senate-gop-00056423

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The other thing that needs to be done is the GOP needs to forget about the abortion issue nationally. If asked about it the reply needs to be that it’s a state’s rights issue and not up to the federal government.

Then, by default, the Dems insist that people HAVE to vote for Dems at the federal level, and some Repubs will insist that they have to be able to vote for abortion without losing support within or by the party. And never mind the fact that Congress has historically been terrified of touching the issue.

Not saying you're wrong, but there's going to have to be more to it than a simple argument about leaving it up to the states.

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Originally posted by SIGnified:
GenZ 100% all in for dimmerwit freemium pledges.

I think the analysis will be interesting.

But I still think there’s just a ton of economic pain to be brought upon people who have never lived through it before.

I believe the younger generations, perhaps under about age 35, have been so thoroughly brainwashed growing up with public schools, media, and college that they are now True Believers. They believe "conservatives" are mean hateful people. They believe R means a few rich old white men oppressing the masses.

Iow, they believe if they vote R it will mean tyranny by fascists, it will mean poverty, it will mean the government forcing medical dicta upon people (especially women). It will mean horrible people in corporations will take advantage of workers.

The remedy is vote D, even for brain damaged or dead candidates.

The recent leftist messaging of "democracy is on the line in this election" was a direct play into this mentality.

I also believe many citizens have been programmed to view groupings instead of individuals. We discuss that with race here all the time, but in the context of elections they are viewing it as teams, not individual candidates. Team R is horrible as a whole, in their view, so any D is better.

I suppose when it comes to national office the team is everything for us, too. But I believe we can articulate specifics on issues whereas the left is always about the politics of personal destruction.

Man, I'm not going to read all this depressing shit. You guys, have fun wallowing in it.

Whining, complaining and being angry after a defeat- I just don't ever want to be part of that or even hear it. It only makes things worse.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by HRK:
Abortion was the hidden issue in this election cycle, more than the R party believed, more so than we thought,

Yes, it seems that the "we'll make you poorer and less safe, but as a tradeoff we'll let you kill your babies" message worked somehow.

I know your comment was made in jest, but your analysis is actually spot on and many people don’t get it or refuse to believe it. There are plenty of single issue voters that want some degree of abortion, and they aren’t all democrats. When you so completely alienate a large voting swath, your going to have problems.

In all honesty, I think it’s a very fair comparison to a lot of single issue pro gun voters. If the sides of the gun issue switched and the democrats became pro gun and the GOP anti gun then I’d probably vote Democrat. If we went back to 2020 and Biden kept all of his other platforms but promised to repeal the 86 machine gun ban, and Trump was opposed to the repeal then I would have voted for Biden. We can’t continue to believe that we will see tremendous nationwide support from women, which is necessary to win national office, when we refuse to recognize that to many women, their ability to have some degree of abortion on demand is the number one most important thing in making up their mind on who to vote for. They would sacrifice economic prosperity or safety in other ways to feel like they have more control over their own body. It’s just the way it is.

The broken media likely started pushing the red wave theory just in case. They got out in front of it and can now spin their defeat as a victory. These people are masters at distorting and redefining reality. I actually disagree and don't believe abortion was the issue plaguing Republicans. We had some weak candidates in places and the Democrat strategy of supporting extreme candidates in the primaries probably did help them mitigate the wave.

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Originally posted by Ironbutt:
For months, all the talking heads on tv, and the Republican politicians could talk about was the upcoming "red wave." I kept thinking to myself, they need to STFU.

Well, guess what! Every libtard crawled out from under their rocks to make sure it didn't happen. Never underestimate the ability of the Republicans to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

PA Republicans are particularly inept in gubernatorial and national elections. Kinda like the Cleveland Browns in their perpetual inability to see the post season. Fortunately not every state GOP is the muppet show like ours.

I look at this as a big win for us, provided we at least win the House and we keep Ron Johnson on the investigation of Brandon and the ChiComs. Brandon is going to think that because he did better than his two Dem predecessors, both of whom got a second term, that he should run again, or at least delay announcing his intent not to until they have to pull him off the stage with the proverbial cane. At that point we’ve likely got DeSantis running and the Dems are scrambling for a formidable candidate.

If we take the House, and God knows I hope we do, I am all for launching investigations. But I hope it's done strategically. As someone else wisely said, "I don't want to get even, I want to get ahead."

Let's not waste our time trying to impeach Biden. A total waste of time on something that will never happen. Do the normal oversight and call in Biden's cabinet for tough questioning. That will help. Don't make it a show. Stick to real issues and facts.

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Originally posted by BigSwede:
"The other thing that needs to be done is the GOP needs to forget about the abortion issue nationally."


Totally agree. When Graham introduced the ban bill, it was a WTF moment



Graham's abortion ban stuns Senate GOP


https://www.politico.com/news/...-senate-gop-00056423

It was a bad move, and ultimately futile. SCOTUS has already stated that the feds have no say on abortion. that it is a matter up to the individual states -- Congress is "fed" and is therefore proscribed from making laws about it.

flashguy

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Originally posted by Ackks:
The entire GOP didn't have a message to run on, so it's not all on him.

I don't understand why you think the GOP didn't have a message to run on? The Republican candidates I listened to were consistent in delivering the GOP message:

- reduction of crime by re-staffing police by getting rid of rules and policies that favor criminals.

- reduce inflation and help the economy by returning to energy self-sufficiency.

- close the border to illegal immigration.

These points (and more) I've heard from candidates running for the whole range of positions in different states.

The Republicans had a great message and it will be even more valid in the next election if things continue as they have been.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Man, I'm not going to read all this depressing shit. You guys, have fun wallowing in it.

Whining, complaining and being angry after a defeat- I just don't ever want to be part of that or even hear it. It only makes things worse.

Thing is, the fat lady hasn't sung yet, and folks are cryin' in their beer.

Anyways, AZ is still in play.

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Originally posted by frayedends:
I can't help but think it's time to move on from Trump. Then I think, that's what they want me to think.

So many times I thought what Trump was saying was so crazy it was going to hurt us. But about every time I find that it was calculated and benefited our side.

The comments on Desantis, I don't get them. But they are non-consequential at this point aren't they? Florida is red. It's a while before the Presidential election. Sit tight is my thought.

I agree. He took two shots at the Colorado Senate candidate that I voted for. And, a huge MAGA candidate from my district is in the fight of her life. Lauren Boebert. My district is Colorado 3. Its southern Colorado, and the western slope. Pueblo is the biggest city within numbering 100,000 people. The rest is small towns, rural farmers, and ranchers. With 90% in Frisch is up by 1. Frisch ran as a left of center moderate. I didn't vote for him because we all know how this works. If you're a Democrat you vote how leadership tells you.

I think its time to fire all the coaches. Republican leadership needs wholesale change.

Lets stop worrying about 2024. Walker needs help for that senate seat in Ga with the runoff. Walker already sent me a fund raising text. If we can gain that seat it hurts the Dems and I want to hurt the Dems.

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Originally posted by goose5:
...I think its time to fire all the coaches. Republican leadership needs wholesale change.

Easy to say, but kind of hard to do, when the people keep re-electing them, and the ranks and files keep voting them back in leadership positions. Get exactly what they deserve.

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Originally posted by Lt CHEG:

I know your comment was made in jest, but your analysis is actually spot on and many people don’t get it or refuse to believe it. There are plenty of single issue voters that want some degree of abortion, and they aren’t all democrats. When you so completely alienate a large voting swath, your going to have problems.

In all honesty, I think it’s a very fair comparison to a lot of single issue pro gun voters. If the sides of the gun issue switched and the democrats became pro gun and the GOP anti gun then I’d probably vote Democrat. If we went back to 2020 and Biden kept all of his other platforms but promised to repeal the 86 machine gun ban, and Trump was opposed to the repeal then I would have voted for Biden. We can’t continue to believe that we will see tremendous nationwide support from women, which is necessary to win national office, when we refuse to recognize that to many women, their ability to have some degree of abortion on demand is the number one most important thing in making up their mind on who to vote for. They would sacrifice economic prosperity or safety in other ways to feel like they have more control over their own body. It’s just the way it is.

You make a good point re single issue. But, on the one hand, abused though it maybe, we have a constitutionally protected right and, on the other, not so much.

oddball - corrupt Maricopa county hasn't reported in yet for AZ. As you're probably aware, they keep having glitches with some of the ballots/machines. Go figure

Given what happened two years ago in that same district, the GOP should have an army of people at every polling station and auditing bureau there.

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Originally posted by marksman41:

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Originally posted by Ackks:
The entire GOP didn't have a message to run on, so it's not all on him.

I don't understand why you think the GOP didn't have a message to run on? The Republican candidates I listened to were consistent in delivering the GOP message:

- reduction of crime by re-staffing police by getting rid of rules and policies that favor criminals.

- reduce inflation and help the economy by returning to energy self-sufficiency.

- close the border to illegal immigration.

These points (and more) I've heard from candidates running for the whole range of positions in different states.

The Republicans had a great message and it will be even more valid in the next election if things continue as they have been.

They had no way to enact their messaging. The House controls the money but they can't do squat without the Senate going along and the WH too.

The House can make life a living hell for Joe (like Pelosi did with Trump) but once the glitter and bright light are gone with a Republican takeover, a R controlled House can't make energy changes, immigration, closing the border or any of the wonder items.

They can impeach and investigate, as they should, but little else. The message needs be national in 2024.

I may have missed someone mentioning it in this thread, but I think it was also a miscalculation for the GOP so closely prior to the election to float thoughts about using threats to freeze the debt ceiling to force cuts in Medicare and Social Security benefits. In my opinion, that may have negatively influenced a lot of senior citizen voters.