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Originally posted by BigSwede:
"The other thing that needs to be done is the GOP needs to forget about the abortion issue nationally."


Totally agree. When Graham introduced the ban bill, it was a WTF moment



Graham's abortion ban stuns Senate GOP


https://www.politico.com/news/...-senate-gop-00056423

Hanlon's Razor© ?

I think not. Whatever else one might believe about Lindsey 'Devious' Graham, he's not stupid.

Hanlon, on the other hand, might be.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Whining, complaining and being angry after a defeat ...

Personally, I'm not wasting my time & energy on whining, complaining, or being angry. Instead I'm putting positive thoughts and energy toward planning.

There's nothing to be gained by wallowing in negative emotionalism.

Do I regret the very likely possibility I'll be obliged to leave the state in which I grew up, in which I've lived nearly my entire life, that I always felt to be the best state in which to live, and that I've loved? That I surely do, and no mistake.

*shrug* Life sucks and then you die.

♫ Ain't nothin' gonna break my stride. Nobody gonna slow me down. Oh no, I got to keep on movin' ♫

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Originally posted by M'headSig:
I may have missed someone mentioning it in this thread, but I think it was also a miscalculation for the GOP so closely prior to the election to float thoughts about using threats to freeze the debt ceiling to force cuts in Medicare and Social Security benefits. In my opinion, that may have negatively influenced a lot of senior citizen voters.

I don't even remember that, and I follow this stuff pretty closely.

No, that played no role at all. The only demographic that went hugely for the democrats were the 18-30 year olds. Senior citizens mostly went for Republicans. In fact, Republicans gained older voters this election cycle.

Abortion is a political loser.

I can't help but think we would've fared better had it not even come up.

Still pulling for Kari Lake. I can't believe she is behind. What a great candidate.

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Originally posted by Dakor:
oddball - corrupt Maricopa county hasn't reported in yet for AZ. As you're probably aware, they keep having glitches with some of the ballots/machines. Go figure

I heard the "issue" was statewide, with machines/computers for the final tally not working.

It's funny, now the sudden TDS feelings, dividing MAGA, are playing right into the hands of Democrats. And in the hands of RINOs like Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush, The Lincoln Project, etc. all who are supporting and are pushing for DeSantis.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by M'headSig:
I may have missed someone mentioning it in this thread, but I think it was also a miscalculation for the GOP so closely prior to the election to float thoughts about using threats to freeze the debt ceiling to force cuts in Medicare and Social Security benefits. In my opinion, that may have negatively influenced a lot of senior citizen voters.

I don't even remember that, and I follow this stuff pretty closely.

No, that played no role at all. The only demographic that went hugely for the democrats were the 18-30 year olds. Senior citizens mostly went for Republicans. In fact, Republicans gained older voters this election cycle.

It was FJB and the commies putting fake words in the GOP mouth, fear mongering. Obviously, many many bought into it.

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Originally posted by RichardC:
I think not. Whatever else one might believe about Lindsey 'Devious' Graham, he's not stupid.

No, but his timing has been appallingly bad in the past. He still thinks he's going to the White House if he can surprise everyone and magically claim the political center.

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Originally posted by oddball:

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Originally posted by Dakor:
oddball - corrupt Maricopa county hasn't reported in yet for AZ. As you're probably aware, they keep having glitches with some of the ballots/machines. Go figure

I heard the "issue" was statewide, with machines/computers for the final tally not working.

It's funny, now the sudden TDS feelings, dividing MAGA, are playing right into the hands of Democrats. And in the hands of RINOs like Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush, The Lincoln Project, etc. all who are supporting and are pushing for DeSantis.

I don't think it's just them pushing for him. He clearly had a message that connected with voters, independents like him, he doesn't take any crap, and he will do well with suburban white women who don't like Trump. The guy is clearly a winner who doesn't turn people off. There isn't much not to like at this point other than loyalty to someone else. Ideally, we'd get both. I'm not sure that will happen though.

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Originally posted by oddball:

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Originally posted by Dakor:
oddball - corrupt Maricopa county hasn't reported in yet for AZ. As you're probably aware, they keep having glitches with some of the ballots/machines. Go figure

I heard the "issue" was statewide, with machines/computers for the final tally not working.

Kari Lake talked about this earlier. She said she and her team switched from their polling place to "liberal Phoenix" to be sure that they were voting on good machines. As she says in this clip, no problems whatsoever in those heavily democrat areas.

I’ve thought about this most of the day and I’ve developed 2 early hypothesis:

#1: the Republicans won by taking the house and have a chance at still taking the Senate. We should be good with that. I am.


2: there’s a very strong and persistent sense amongst everybody who went through 2020 and this last election, that we’ve been cheated.

Hard to put your finger on it but there’s lots of experience that tells us when we’re getting smoke blown up our skirts; which drives a significant lack of trust in the entire system. (Not unwarranted seeing what’s happened to our institutions that we so critically depend on to keep America great, yet didn’t take care of. )

My $0.02 pesos

The stock market took a big shit today as a result of the elections. This gets me because plenty of dems have stock/mutual funds investments as do plenty of reps. They are certainly aware of the crash we've had lately and deep down know why. Yet still pull for blue. More lack of logic on their part and the true insanity continues. Our economy and inflation will continue to slide at the hands of the dems and "biden administration"....whoever that is.

I am genuinely puzzled.
It’s evidently okay to assume that the Republicans haven’t done as well in the past two elections (2022 and 2020) as we believe they should because of fraud, but it’s not okay to suggest that they haven’t done as well as we believe they should because a majority of the electorate is truly stupid or at least convinced of stupid ideas and vote for stupid things and candidates. Can anyone ’splain why the one is all right to promote as the cause but the other isn’t? Is there really a common belief that the average voter is intelligent, informed, and motivated by what’s best for their communities and the Nation?

And if, BTW, the voters who should be on our side aren’t voting because they are convinced that the electoral system is corrupt and their votes won’t even be counted, why is that? Where did/do they get that idea? Yes, some people are interested enough and perceptive enough to perhaps have figured it out on the basis of comparing turnouts, polls, and other somewhat obscure evidence, but that’s hardly true of very many. I, for example, pretty much gave up on trying to follow such factors long ago, but what has been impossible to ignore are the never-ending claims and references by public figures and individuals on forums such as this one that keep the issue alive, but without including any evidence. To reiterate: Who is to blame for convincing the average Republican voter that his vote won’t count because of fraud, and is therefore responsible for those people’s not voting?

I am actually very happy with my local election results. As usual, all Democrat candidates were elected for the simple reason of the (D) after their names—with one exception. That exception was the county sheriff with his (R). Because his election will have more direct effect on me personally than the election of anyone else, I am still a little numb with relief. Fortunately his office wasn’t important enough for the Machine to gear up to keep him down. Or perhaps, just perhaps, for once enough not-stupid people decided to not vote stupidly.

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Originally posted by 6guns:
The stock market took a big shit today as a result of the elections. This gets me because plenty of dems have stock/mutual funds investments as do plenty of reps. They are certainly aware of the crash we've had lately and deep down know why. Yet still pull for blue. More lack of logic on their part and the true insanity continues. Our economy and inflation will continue to slide at the hands of the dems and "biden administration"....whoever that is.

Hey! Are you saying that’s like “roaches voting for Raid?”

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Originally posted by SIGnified:
I’ve thought about this most of the day and I’ve developed 2 early hypothesis:

#1: the Republicans won by taking the house and have a chance at still taking the Senate. We should be good with that. I am.

I too feel that "we" won. Not only with the Republicans taking the House, and Republicans still have a good chance of a 51-49 split in the Senate, but Nancy Pelosi is soon out of a job as Speaker of the House, and will retire soon

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Originally posted by 1967Goat:
Abortion is a political loser.

I can't help but think we would've fared better had it not even come up.

Still pulling for Kari Lake. I can't believe she is behind. What a great candidate.

This is true and in both directions. My state's 40 year incumbent (except for one term where he unsuccessfully ran for governor) attorney general, a democrat, was defeated. I think in large part his stance on abortion was the final nail.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
To reiterate: Who is to blame for convincing the average Republican voter that his vote won’t count because of fraud, and is therefore responsible for those people’s not voting?

As always, sigfreund, you bring valuable and refreshing insight to discussions that few recognize or so eloquently present. Thanks.

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Abortion was the hidden issue in this election cycle, more than the R party believed, more so than we thought,

Half this country is women, clearly when you look at the defeat the KY Constitutional amendment on banning abortions took, that made it a voter issue.

The media may have spun it that way, but the amendment wasn't a ban on abortion in Kentucky. The amendment merely stated that under the Kentucky constitution, there is no constitutional right to have one, nor have it funded by taxpayers.

As far as the election outcome, all the republicans kept their seats, with the only change being trading Yarmouth(D) for a different democrat.

The puzzler to me was the other amendment getting shot down that would have allowed the legislature to call themselves into a special session. Presently, only the governor can call the legislature into a special session, which to me, gives him/her the power to do whatever the hell they want, and the legislature has no recourse until the next session. I don't think that's a good thing no matter which side of the aisle you're on.

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The media may have spun it that way, but the amendment wasn't a ban on abortion in Kentucky

The one issue voters didn't give a shit, MSNBC told them it was a ban, done deal

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Originally posted by BigSwede:

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The media may have spun it that way, but the amendment wasn't a ban on abortion in Kentucky

The one issue voters didn't give a shit, MSNBC told them it was a ban, done deal

Even so, Rand Paul is still our senator, and none of the republican representatives up for election lost their seats.

OK, it was more a red ripple than wave or tsunami, but it isn't a total disaster either.