The tragedy of this election and the results such as they were is not so much that it wasn't a red tsunami like we were hoping for (after all we still may end up controlling both houses of Congress), but that it coalesced in such a way that it won't affect the behaviors of lawmakers in either party. Both sides will be able to look at this election and rationalize to themselves that what they've been doing is ok with the voting public. That's a bit unfortunate.

Either the Senate or the House means Biden is lame duck. Was it a disappointment? Sure. Was it a victory for America? Yes.

We won! And Freedom Lives Here


https://patriotpost.us/article...-midterms-2022-11-09



Just one day before the 2018 gubernatorial election in Florida, a Quinnipiac poll showed Republican Ron DeSantis trailing former Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum by a whopping seven points.

Lucky for DeSantis — and lucky for the people of Florida — that voters, not polls, decide elections. The following day, DeSantis ended up winning by seven-tenths of a point. Since then, the governor has enacted staunchly conservative policies, waded into the culture wars against Disney and its ilk, and counterpunched smartly at a mainstream media that’s inclined to twist the news against him at every turn.

Yesterday, DeSantis won 62 of the state’s 67 counties and beat Democrat challenger Charlie Crist by nearly 20 points. Where he won by some 30,000 votes in 2018, he won by 1,500,000 yesterday. Yes, by Election Day, everyone was predicting a DeSantis win. No one, though, was predicting a win of this magnitude.

If you’re not stirred by this Churchillian passage from his victory speech last night, you might want to check your pulse:

We have embraced freedom. We have maintained law and order. We have protected the rights of parents. We have respected our taxpayers, and we reject woke ideology.

We fight the woke in the legislature. We fight the woke in the schools. We fight the woke in the corporations. We will never ever surrender to the woke mob. Florida is where woke goes to die!

“USA! USA!” some supporters chanted during DeSantis’s rousing victory speech in Tampa last night. “Two more years! Two more years!” others shouted, in a not-so-subtle call for DeSantis to run for president in 2024.

“We saw freedom and our very way of life in so many other jurisdictions in this country wither on the vine. Florida held the line,” he said. “Florida was a refuge of sanity when the world went mad. We stood as a citadel of freedom for people across this county and indeed across the world.”

DeSantis thus sent a thunderclap across the political landscape, and he made Florida look like Arkansas in terms of its political imbalance. Indeed, it’s the first time since Reconstruction that Florida hasn’t had a single Democrat holding statewide office.

So Ron DeSantis and the people of Florida were big winners yesterday.
...
Ron DeSantis: “We have accomplished more than anybody thought possible four years ago,” he said toward the end of his victory speech, “but we’ve got so much more to do — and I have only begun to fight.”

That last part was a reference to a fellow sailor and patriot, John Paul Jones, and it would serve his fellow Republicans well to remember it going forward. Conservative principles are attractive and popular when articulately conveyed and competently carried out.

But candidates clearly matter to Republican voters. And that message must be remembered as well.

Holy crap. Lake is now trailing Whatsherface by 3,949 points. The smart thing would be for me to unplug for the night and just let it ride, but I'm not sure I can.

And of course why would he?

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Biden insists he won’t change how he runs the country...

WASHINGTON — President Biden said Wednesday that he won’t change a thing about how he runs the country over the next two years in his first public comments since his fellow Democrats outperformed expectations in Tuesday’s midterm elections.

https://nypost.com/2022/11/09/...campaign=android_nyp

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
Holy crap. Lake is now trailing Whatsherface by 3,949 points. The smart thing would be for me to unplug for the night and just let it ride, but I'm not sure I can.

What is the deal here????
Why don’t we have results yet?

^^^^^^^

Katie Hobbs, Lake's opponent, has been in charge of AZ elections since 2019 as Sec of State.

https://www.nytimes.com/intera...-ohio-us-senate.html

This gives me a bit of hope for people. Kind of.
Ryan was and is an asshole. Did nothing for his district here in N.E. Ohio. Funny thing is, he kept winning every time he was up for reelection. I seriously started thinking the populace around me were morons. He's not Fettermen, thankfully, but instead of being brain damaged, he was just useless.
Vance is a Trump backed candidate and I'm glad he won.

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Originally posted by joatmonv:

Vance is a Trump backed candidate and I'm glad he won.

But beyond that he was actually a very good candidate and impressive in many ways. He had something to offer.

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Originally posted by 12131:

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Originally posted by goose5:
...I think its time to fire all the coaches. Republican leadership needs wholesale change.

Easy to say, but kind of hard to do, when the people keep re-electing them, and the ranks and files keep voting them back in leadership positions. Get exactly what they deserve.

I think it might be easier than most think. Here's one possible scenario. The Koch brothers get together with a few of their pals and write a letter to the RNC. Goes something like this. Boys, we are not getting a return on our investment. Until big changes in leadership occurs our check books are closed.

Here's the silver lining in all of this. You know what the Dems are doing is unpopular. They are going to triple down on it now. You ain't seen nothing yet. In two years we're going to have another crack at bat.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...-it-flip/ar-AA13VMzc

candidate for governor Kari Lake narrowed Democratic opponent Katie Hobbs' lead as the results in one of the state's most consequential races continued to roll in Wednesday.

The former television news anchor carried 70% of votes cast statewide on Election Day, collapsing what once was a 14 percentage-point Hobbs lead among early voters to less than 1 percentage point as of Wednesday morning.

The margin between the candidates was razor thin, with hundreds of thousands of ballots left to tally

n Maricopa County on Wednesday morning, counting continued on ballots dropped off on Election Day and received in the immediate days before. In an update, Board of Supervisors Chairman Bill Gates said about 400,000 votes remained uncounted, with most of those being ballots dropped off Tuesday.

Those ballots will need signature verification and separation from their signed affidavit envelope before they are counted and included in the results. It could be Friday before the vast majority are counted, Gates said.

Arizona's most populous county takes on outsize importance in statewide races, with conventional wisdom believing candidates don't win the state without winning Maricopa County. As of Wednesday morning, Pima and Pinal counties also continued counting votes, with about 26,000 mostly early ballots left in Pinal County, officials there said.

"When we win, first line of action is to restore honesty to Arizona elections," Lake said.

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Originally posted by joatmonv:
https://www.nytimes.com/intera...-ohio-us-senate.html

This gives me a bit of hope for people. Kind of.
Ryan was and is an asshole. Did nothing for his district here in N.E. Ohio. Funny thing is, he kept winning every time he was up for reelection. I seriously started thinking the populace around me were morons. He's not Fettermen, thankfully, but instead of being brain damaged, he was just useless.
Vance is a Trump backed candidate and I'm glad he won.

Can we get a copy and paste of the article please. I have no desire to creat an account with them.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
And of course why would he?

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Biden insists he won’t change how he runs the country...

WASHINGTON — President Biden said Wednesday that he won’t change a thing about how he runs the country over the next two years in his first public comments since his fellow Democrats outperformed expectations in Tuesday’s midterm elections.

https://nypost.com/2022/11/09/...campaign=android_nyp

It’ll be “Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead” and “Pedal to the metal; Aim for that cliff” with Biden now.

The gap was narrowing further. 3,687 votes trailing. Then Hobbs is magically up another ten thousand votes for Lake getting another four or so thousand to trail 8,068. Watching this in real time is maddening.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is settled over the course of a few recounts. I don't see Lake letting this go if it's this close and she comes up short.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:

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Originally posted by joatmonv:
https://www.nytimes.com/intera...-ohio-us-senate.html

This gives me a bit of hope for people. Kind of.
Ryan was and is an asshole. Did nothing for his district here in N.E. Ohio. Funny thing is, he kept winning every time he was up for reelection. I seriously started thinking the populace around me were morons. He's not Fettermen, thankfully, but instead of being brain damaged, he was just useless.
Vance is a Trump backed candidate and I'm glad he won.

Can we get a copy and paste of the article please. I have no desire to creat an account with them.

It's mostly graphs, charts and maps, so NOT really something you can copy/paste. It opens right up on my PC w/ Firefox (running an AdGuard AdBlocker w/ lot's of filters enabled), so it can be seen w/o an account.

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:

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Originally posted by Black92LX:

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Originally posted by joatmonv:
https://www.nytimes.com/intera...-ohio-us-senate.html

This gives me a bit of hope for people. Kind of.
Ryan was and is an asshole. Did nothing for his district here in N.E. Ohio. Funny thing is, he kept winning every time he was up for reelection. I seriously started thinking the populace around me were morons. He's not Fettermen, thankfully, but instead of being brain damaged, he was just useless.
Vance is a Trump backed candidate and I'm glad he won.

Can we get a copy and paste of the article please. I have no desire to creat an account with them.

It's mostly graphs, charts and maps, so NOT really something you can copy/paste. It opens right up on my PC w/ Firefox (running an AdGuard AdBlocker w/ lot's of filters enabled), so it can be seen w/o an account.

Thanks. May fire up the PC tomorrow to give it a look.

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Originally posted by Keystoner:
I think it's too early to blame or give up on Trump. Remember that speech he gave at Mt. Rushmore? It was the best. If he can summon that attitude, and inspire us followers for the next two years, we can turn this all around. Let's see how his speech goes next week.

It's not a question of "blame" on Trump. It's simple reality.

He can galvanize people to vote FOR what we like. But her certainly can galvanize A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE to vote against it as well. And did in 2018, 2020, and now in 2022.

His presence brings the opposite together. (regardless if their "fears" or whatever are unfounded, or just flat out wrong, it STILL exists)

He needs to pass the torch and work behind the scenes. If he truly cares about the country, he'll do what is best for the county, and quietly offer all his support for people who can get elected.

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Originally posted by KevinCW:

quote:

Originally posted by Keystoner:
I think it's too early to blame or give up on Trump. Remember that speech he gave at Mt. Rushmore? It was the best. If he can summon that attitude, and inspire us followers for the next two years, we can turn this all around. Let's see how his speech goes next week.

It's not a question of "blame" on Trump. It's simple reality.

He can galvanize people to vote FOR what we like. But her certainly can galvanize A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE to vote against it as well. And did in 2018, 2020, and now in 2022.

His presence brings the opposite together. (regardless if their "fears" or whatever are unfounded, or just flat out wrong, it STILL exists)

He needs to pass the torch and work behind the scenes. If he truly cares about the country, he'll do what is best for the county, and quietly offer all his support for people who can get elected.

I had this discussion today with a buddy.
Trump was a great President so great the left did everything in their power to destroy him and they 100% succeeded!
Even though it is all based upon lies the damage is done. He is not electable and most of those who rely on his backing or endorsement are not electable.
That does not mean they would not be great if they were to be elected but the fact of the matter is the left did such an incredible job at discrediting the man there is no coming back from it and we need to move along.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:


I had this discussion today with a buddy.
Trump was a great President so great the left did everything in their power to destroy him and they 100% succeeded!
Even though it is all based upon lies the damage is done. He is not electable and most of those who rely on his backing or endorsement are not electable.
That does not mean they would not be great if they were to be elected but the fact of the matter is the left did such an incredible job at discrediting the man there is no coming back from it and we need to move along.

I'm glad to hear some are beginning to understand Trump is a liability to the Republican party today.

But, understand this. The Republicans had better figure out a way to defend against this kind of attack. It worked on Trump and they will use this tactic again regardless of who is the next Republican president.

They better figure out a whole host of other problems too. Remember the story of Democrat money being given to MAGA candidates so they would win primaries? Democrats figured they would be easier to defeat in the general. Well, it worked. I think Lake is still the only one who has not been defeated. The Democrats ground game and strategy is better and that's got to change.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:

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Originally posted by marksman41:

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Originally posted by Ackks:
The entire GOP didn't have a message to run on, so it's not all on him.

I don't understand why you think the GOP didn't have a message to run on? The Republican candidates I listened to were consistent in delivering the GOP message:

- reduction of crime by re-staffing police by getting rid of rules and policies that favor criminals.

- reduce inflation and help the economy by returning to energy self-sufficiency.

- close the border to illegal immigration.

These points (and more) I've heard from candidates running for the whole range of positions in different states.

The Republicans had a great message and it will be even more valid in the next election if things continue as they have been.

They had no way to enact their messaging. The House controls the money but they can't do squat without the Senate going along and the WH too.

The House can make life a living hell for Joe (like Pelosi did with Trump) but once the glitter and bright light are gone with a Republican takeover, a R controlled House can't make energy changes, immigration, closing the border or any of the wonder items.

They can impeach and investigate, as they should, but little else. The message needs be national in 2024.

The point is that they had, and still have, a message - and a good one.

As for acting upon it, the candidates I heard were at least willing to go to bat by proposing legislation at the state and national levels.