I still wish that I had waited just a little longer to buy my 320 Tacops. Getting one with the fix already made would have been nicer. That being said I will send mine in, and get the Carry and Compact models when available. I do like the platform. I'm also hoping that Sig tosses in an extra magazine or something. They have really had to eat sh*t on this one but are handling it very well. And as others have said, if not for social media and other internet nonsense, this would be a minimal and quietly fixable issue.

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
If you understand the history of Glock development, you'll know that their drop safe pistol was found to not be drop safe.
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Really, without social media, this P320 business would have been the minor inconvenience it actually is.
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Frankly, I'm sick of peoples feelings and opinions, and wish everyone would just shut the fuck up and cut the shit. I don't give two wags of my cock whether SIG handled this "correctly" or "fast enough" or any of that.

Ok, I'm done now, have to go keep the Nazis and black helicopters off the lawn.

All companies make mistakes from time to time. My impression of those who are most critical of SIG is that they really weren't sick fans in the first place and their favorite brand of pistol did not win the MHS contract.

I have tried to reason with some of them on another forum but to no avail.

While I might have handled things differently than SIG, The fix is at no charge. Calling it voluntary or mandatory will not change the number of people who are interested in the fix.

I choose to wait and maybe pick up another 320 that is being sold by a panicked user.

Arc, I'm going to steal your line about the Nazis And black helicopters For another forum.

Mark

Are the Nazi's in the black helicopters? Holy shit a nazicopter...

I still want a 320c badly.

The repaired Springfields' value dropped badly and I am hoping to swipe a 320 the same way over perceived loss of value.

This. I am hoping to save someone from shooting themselves in the forehead by buying their 320 at dirt bottom prices. I would buy a couple if they were cheap. Sig is fixing this (I am assuming even SIG USA can troubleshoot and fix lol). That was sarcasm for those who think SIG USA only employs new hire gun engineers.

Out of the box my 320 shoots in my hand equal/better than my modded beloved G19. And feels better ergo wise. Tough to beat that.

The 320 is a winning design.

I can say I will not be selling my P320 although alot of folks seem to be.. I just love shooting it.. I will be sending it in for the updgrade when the time comes.

I will admit I lost alot of respect for SIG.. This should have been a mandatory recall just like the other manufacturers that later on had issues..

SIG is sticking to the "It passed all safety tests and is safe to use" blurb but the fact still remains that a serious safety flaw has been discovered just like other manufacturers.

I am pretty sure they all passed the same or similar testing prior to being sold to the public yet they chose to recall which I believe is the correct path and they (for the most part) seem to have weathered the storm and maintain their customers trust.

SIG obviously knew there was a safety issue long before this drop test failure blunder. Why else would they admittedly already
have the "Upgrade" parts manucfactured and ready to implement at their own pace in the near future? and already installed in the MHS contract firearms.

Sometimes it is better to suck it up and bite the bullet and SIG chose not to so yea not much respect for SIG atm..

You clearly don't understand the litigious nature of America. By calling it a voluntary upgrade and saying it passes standard testing they are merely not giving some ambulance chaser easy ammo. Only a fool would willingly admit fault in today's society if they had a flimsy but defensible position.

If they stuck to that position and made you pay for the fix then you would have a reasonable scenario to "disrespect" them.

For fucks sake. They are going to fix your gun for free. It will cost you the time it takes to ship it. You guys act like you are brain surgeons and your minutes are worth golden bars. Well, they aren't.

Unless they sent a blue eyed, blonde, well endowed virgin to your door to personally apologize and collect your precious plastic gun some of you guys won't be happy.

Grow up.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
You clearly don't understand the litigious nature of America. By calling it a voluntary upgrade and saying it passes standard testing they are merely not giving some ambulance chaser easy ammo. Only a fool would willingly admit fault in today's society if they had a flimsy but defensible position.

If they stuck to that position and made you pay for the fix then you would have a reasonable scenario to "disrespect" them.

For fucks sake. They are going to fix your gun for free. It will cost you the time it takes to ship it. You guys act like you are brain surgeons and your minutes are worth golden bars. Well, they aren't.

Unless they sent a blue eyed, blonde, well endowed virgin to your door to personally apologize and collect your precious plastic gun some of you guys won't be happy.

Grow up.

Golden Bars? We can get golden bars? I'm in!!!!

Gold bars? No thanks the wife would just spend it on shoes. I want the "blue eyed, blonde, well endowed virgin".

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
You clearly don't understand the litigious nature of America. By calling it a voluntary upgrade and saying it passes standard testing they are merely not giving some ambulance chaser easy ammo. Only a fool would willingly admit fault in today's society if they had a flimsy but defensible position.

If they stuck to that position and made you pay for the fix then you would have a reasonable scenario to "disrespect" them.

For fucks sake. They are going to fix your gun for free. It will cost you the time it takes to ship it. You guys act like you are brain surgeons and your minutes are worth golden bars. Well, they aren't.

Unless they sent a blue eyed, blonde, well endowed virgin to your door to personally apologize and collect your precious plastic gun some of you guys won't be happy.

Grow up.

Well said!

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
You clearly don't understand the litigious nature of America. By calling it a voluntary upgrade and saying it passes standard testing they are merely not giving some ambulance chaser easy ammo. Only a fool would willingly admit fault in today's society if they had a flimsy but defensible position.

If they stuck to that position and made you pay for the fix then you would have a reasonable scenario to "disrespect" them.

For fucks sake. They are going to fix your gun for free. It will cost you the time it takes to ship it. You guys act like you are brain surgeons and your minutes are worth golden bars. Well, they aren't.

Unless they sent a blue eyed, blonde, well endowed virgin to your door to personally apologize and collect your precious plastic gun some of you guys won't be happy.

Grow up.

Now THAT'S a choice I could get behind

Oh, and I'm NOT sending my X5 in till next year-so I can enjoy the trigger as it is.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
You clearly don't understand the litigious nature of America. By calling it a voluntary upgrade and saying it passes standard testing they are merely not giving some ambulance chaser easy ammo. Only a fool would willingly admit fault in today's society if they had a flimsy but defensible position.

If they stuck to that position and made you pay for the fix then you would have a reasonable scenario to "disrespect" them.

For fucks sake. They are going to fix your gun for free. It will cost you the time it takes to ship it. You guys act like you are brain surgeons and your minutes are worth golden bars. Well, they aren't.

Unless they sent a blue eyed, blonde, well endowed virgin to your door to personally apologize and collect your precious plastic gun some of you guys won't be happy.

Grow up.

I guess Ruger and S&W are fools then..

I could give a crap about the "Litigious nature" of America.. My point was that they did not do the right thing. When did I say they are not footing the bill? I know they are but that has nothing to do with the point I was making and one that you "clearly" didn't get.

I could care less if you disagree with me.. Everyone has their opinion.. SIG "clearly" dropped the ball..

And we're off...again...

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
You clearly don't understand the litigious nature of America. By calling it a voluntary upgrade and saying it passes standard testing they are merely not giving some ambulance chaser easy ammo.

Fear of litigation is a piss poor excuse for not upholding business ethics standards. The verbiage used has zero protective effect on whether you'll get sued. Issuance of a recall does not amount to admission of culpability.
The problem at hand is an unforeseen risk, most likely very low rate but with theoretically severe consequences, to a customer despite best intentions and acceptable pre-release testing. This is not a unique event by any stretch. Automotive industry, medical device industry, pharma, food, toys, car seats, consumer electronics, it is all out there in open press. Nobody ever said your eggs could be laced with salmonella but it ain't that likely, so return is on your discretion. There isn't more than one way of skinning this cat. You issue a RECALL. You take those products from your distributors and return them back safe. And you deal with legal fallout as it arose.
If you care about your reputation, that is.

I'm gonna be honest. Some of you sound like some triggered cry babies.

Options:
- Sit on the internet and complain about it.
- Send it back
- Don't Send it back
- Sell it

Pick one. Just if you do the first option. Get over it quickly and move on.

My plan: Buy a P320 this year when I scrape together the money.

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Originally posted by myrottiety:
I'm gonna be honest. Some of you sound like some triggered cry babies.

Options:
- Sit on the internet and complain about it.
- Send it back
- Don't Send it back
- Sell it

Pick one. Just if you do the first option. Get over it quickly and move on.

My plan: Buy a P320 this year when I scrape together the money.

I decided to buy five.

If reports of the "upgrade" are not satisfactory, I'm fine with the P320 as is. If reports of the upgrade are satisfactory, I'll have it done.

I am unimpressed with Sig's position throughout the episode, but I am impressed with the pistol.

I'm still looking for these super cheap 320's I keep hearing are coming.

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Originally posted by mgobel:
All companies make mistakes from time to time. My impression of those who are most critical of SIG is that they really weren't sick fans in the first place and their favorite brand of pistol did not win the MHS contract.

I don't know if you have been following this thread, but when people fist questioned the drop safety of the pistol they were called liars and trolls by even the most respected of voices here. We were told that the pistol is 100% drop safe and anyone saying any different is wrong.

Fast forward to after the recall and the EXACT SAME VOICES have changed their tune to "well, Glock had problems in 1992." I'm as big a Sig fan as anyone here, but casting aspersions at people who correctly called out the firm (Sig) for a screwup just seems... silly.

I don't think anybody on this board gives two craps about the MHS contract. Save for a few people here, nobody has any vested interest one way or the other.

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Originally posted by Fredward:
I'm still looking for these super cheap 320's I keep hearing are coming.

I don't know about cheap pistols, but I have been fortunate to make some good buys from other forum members on P320's recently.

Two weeks ago I went into a Sportsman's warehouse, on a day off, and saw a number of P320's on the wall. Yesterday I stopped in and there were none. I was told they'd been flying off the shelf. All sold.

It seems the demand, at least in microcosm, has not diminished.

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Originally posted by lordhamster:
I don't know if you have been following this thread, but when people fist questioned the drop safety of the pistol they were called liars and trolls by even the most respected of voices here. We were told that the pistol is 100% drop safe and anyone saying any different is wrong.

Fast forward to after the recall and the EXACT SAME VOICES have changed their tune to "well, Glock had problems in 1992." I'm as big a Sig fan as anyone here, but casting aspersions at people who correctly called out the firm (Sig) for a screwup just seems... silly.

I don't think anybody on this board gives two craps about the MHS contract. Save for a few people here, nobody has any vested interest one way or the other.

Where were people wrongly called liars exactly?

To be frank, people being initially skeptical of something like this, is reasonable. Pointing out that there is a history of this sort of thing, is also reasonable. Being patient and waiting for actual information instead of freaking out, totally reasonable.

Trolling has absolutely occurred, and whether or not this drop safety issue was realized, doesn't excuse the trolling behavior.

This "SIG didn't do the right thing" business, makes me wonder how close people pay attention to the actions of any company. Certainly, if someone isn't aware of how these things have been handled in the past by other makers, some perspective is duly in order.

People who are upset about this thing, want to be. They've had plenty of time to release this urge, but really it's about time to bring this train back to to the roundhouse.

So let's get it all out. It's important that we deal with these feelings together. Let the healing begin. Show me on the doll where SIG touched you.