I'm curious what the plan is for LE guns actually in service on the agency level. Seems like Sig will need to send mobile crews to do the work, supply fill in guns while work is being done or swap the guns straight up for new. I hope is the latter and we see some CPO P320s hit the market.

As far as fill-in guns, you are probably right, but as to what SIG gives them....who knows. The 320 production line is shut down, IIRC. And will be used to correct all the send in 320's. We will not see a new 320 for some time.
And you are correct. The price for a clean used or new 320 went into the tank as of the "V-recall". I know a store that is not sending their 320's back, and have them lowered to $449.95 and still can't sell them. 2015 Gen2 compacts, sitting their gathering dust. A person can't sell or trade in a 320 anywhere, no gun stores want them. Sad.
And SERPA holsters prices went down as well. Not selling.

It gets low enough I would pick up one or two more. Its not like the gun is doomed.

Likewise. This is getting interesting (unfortunately).

Brings up a question with no answer, at this point in time. What will a used P320 sell for in a year? By that I mean: (a) P320 that was sent back under the Voluntary Upgrade and (b) one that was manufactured as an "upgraded" pistol.

While thinking up this brain teaser, I came up with another with no answer. After Sig starts ramping up production of the "upgraded" versions for the commercial market, how many dealers will continue to sell P320's?

There's a helluva lot of dust left to settle.

I don't think the P320 is going anywhere. They will correct these and the black eye will eventually go away. They have a flaw, and yes its a serious failure, but the potential for it to go off is low.

I don't really feel mine are any less safe right now, I will send them in for the recall (yes that's what it is) and get the fix and move on with life.

I've had to send in Glocks for a recall, Springfields, etc. Had a Ruger SP101 blow the barrel clean off in my hands.

I think this will go away in a year, but those without the fix may well drop in value a lot. Its a bummer because I was just about to list mine before this whole thing, but now Ill wait and get them fixed and keep them.

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Originally posted by Nipper:
Likewise. This is getting interesting (unfortunately).

Brings up a question with no answer, at this point in time. What will a used P320 sell for in a year? By that I mean: (a) P320 that was sent back under the Voluntary Upgrade and (b) one that was manufactured as an "upgraded" pistol.

While thinking up this brain teaser, I came up with another with no answer. After Sig starts ramping up production of the "upgraded" versions for the commercial market, how many dealers will continue to sell P320's?



There's a helluva lot of dust left to settle.

Why would the Dealers stop selling 320's?

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Originally posted by Lord Vaalic:
I don't think the P320 is going anywhere. They will correct these and the black eye will eventually go away. They have a flaw, and yes its a serious failure, but the potential for it to go off is low.

I don't really feel mine are any less safe right now, I will send them in for the recall (yes that's what it is) and get the fix and move on with life.

I've had to send in Glocks for a recall, Springfields, etc. Had a Ruger SP101 blow the barrel clean off in my hands.

I think this will go away in a year, but those without the fix may well drop in value a lot. Its a bummer because I was just about to list mine before this whole thing, but now Ill wait and get them fixed and keep them.

I recently sent my SP101 in for a repair and they replaced the barrel as a courtesy. Your comment lends some insight as to why. Thanks.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
I recently sent my SP101 in for a repair and they replaced the barrel as a courtesy. Your comment lends some insight as to why. Thanks.

They call that a "quiet upgrade"

As far as Dealers not selling 320's? Liability! If a dealer sold a gun knowing it could drop fire, he might very well be liable along w/ the manufacture. Maybe, I really do not know the case Law. I think that is part of the reason SIG put out the recall as "Voluntary", not mandatory.
I still say that all the 320 needs is a trigger safety like a Glock, and they are fixed. Why SIG did not go that route as it would have been a much cheaper fix(drop in part) is beyond me. SIG chose to lighten up the trigger fire control train, and while that works, it's only a treatment for the condition, not a cure for the disease. Drop a new refit 320 from a 15' height and I bet it will fire. Of course, so will a 70 series 1911, if it impacts on the muzzle. Anyhow, I will wait on sending mine in for a while. I hope someone develops a trigger safety for the 320, that's all it needs, IMHO.

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I still say that all the 320 needs is a trigger safety like a Glock, and they are fixed. Why SIG did not go that route as it would have been a much cheaper fix(drop in part) is beyond me.

Well, for one thing, some of us hate that damned thing and never quite figured out why we had to have calluses on our fingers just to shoot a pistol.

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Originally posted by Ofc.JR:
I still say that all the 320 needs is a trigger safety like a Glock, and they are fixed. Why SIG did not go that route as it would have been a much cheaper fix(drop in part) is beyond me.

Because Sig bragged that it wasn't necessary. That is a larger helping of crow than they care to eat.

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Originally posted by Ofc.JR:
I still say that all the 320 needs is a trigger safety like a Glock, and they are fixed. Why SIG did not go that route as it would have been a much cheaper fix(drop in part) is beyond me.

More than likely Sig didn't go that route as it isn't a full fix.

A trigger safety tab would probably stop the trigger system mass from moving the striker safety far enough to allow the striker to hit the primer but wouldn't stop the sear from releasing the striker then the striker hitting the striker safety tab at full force.

The striker safety tab is just a thin stamped piece of metal that probably has a limited number of striker arrests before it has the chance of allowing a striker pass-by.

Without a full update with new lighter sear, and lighter striker to prevent striker release on dropped-gun my guess is that Sig was worried about a future new recall popping up after some forward thinking internet testers dropped the Sig 320 a few times (or enough times) to get the striker to bypass the striker safety tab then fire the round in the chamber.

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Originally posted by Fenris:

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Originally posted by Ofc.JR:
I still say that all the 320 needs is a trigger safety like a Glock, and they are fixed. Why SIG did not go that route as it would have been a much cheaper fix(drop in part) is beyond me.

Because Sig bragged that it wasn't necessary. That is a larger helping of crow than they care to eat.

Yeah, SIG is already choking on the serving of crow they have in front of them and coughing the entire time that it's the cooks fault.

I agree with Ofc.Jr, I think a tabbed trigger would be a simpler solution and faster repair, hell it probably could be changed by just mailing it out to half the gun owners to replace themselves.
My feelings are Sig is definitely going to take a major hit in the next quarter and probably over the next 6 months. They are going to have to dedicate so many employees to making 3 years worth of repairs of firearms and maybe more important for money making is get the new repaired models to dealers. If I'm Sig getting the new models out should be the priority but then again you don't want the liability of the P320's that are out there. So it really is like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. You also don't want this to affect QC of models that are perfectly fine right now.

I also agree with the tabbed trigger statement that Sig has their foot in their mouth saying it isn't necessary, they don't want to go back on that. Just like they are probably calling this a "voluntary upgrade" because they don't want to go back on "safety without compromise"

I am obviously, like everyone, interested when the first 'upgraded' gun report is gonna hit.

Is it going to feel the same as has been hinted at, or is it gonna be much less desirable.

Also, when is the first gun actually gonna get receive it's shipping label???

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I know a store that is not sending their 320's back, and have them lowered to $449.95 and still can't sell them. 2015 Gen2 compacts, sitting their gathering dust. A person can't sell or trade in a 320 anywhere, no gun stores want them. Sad.
And SERPA holsters prices went down as well. Not selling.

Combined together and priced competitively, I don't know why they wouldn't sell. Seems like a killer package.

Jeez, why aren't the stores in PA doing that? I'd buy a 320 compact for that price and then send it for the upgrade at no cost to me and save $100 bucks. The one LGS near me took all 320s off of the shelves and sent them for the upgrade.

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Originally posted by Ofc.JR:
As far as fill-in guns, you are probably right, but as to what SIG gives them....who knows. The 320 production line is shut down, IIRC. And will be used to correct all the send in 320's. We will not see a new 320 for some time.
And you are correct. The price for a clean used or new 320 went into the tank as of the "V-recall". I know a store that is not sending their 320's back, and have them lowered to $449.95 and still can't sell them. 2015 Gen2 compacts, sitting their gathering dust. A person can't sell or trade in a 320 anywhere, no gun stores want them. Sad.
And SERPA holsters prices went down as well. Not selling.

Not true of any I've seen, so far.

Same in KY. Still list price, still selling well. Matter of fact, outside of this forum, I haven't heard this issue mentioned.