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The pistols that I shipped to SIG in the past were in their original cases, which were inside a cardboard box. SIG returned the pistols, in the original cases, upon completion of the work. Sic Semper Tyrannis If you beat your swords into plowshares, you will become farmers for those who didn't! Political Correctness is fascism pretending to be Manners-George Carlin | |||
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Could not enter information using Microsoft Edge but when I tried IE it went right through and registered with no problems. CS said Google Chrome had a problem also. If you have IE you should be good to go. | |||
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I think I'll wait a bit until after the initial rush. I've got plenty of other pistols that will serve until this gets cleared up. And Sig will of course get more efficient after the initial backlog. | |||
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That is exactly how I would presume they would want them shipped in No, Daoism isn't a religion | |||
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Official Space Nerd |
From the website:
Cover-your-butt legalese from SIG. This is likely so nobody goes out and shoots themselves in the kneecap with their P320 and demands a 7-figure settlement. . .
More legalese BS. Reminds me of the lawer statement about the shooting in Minneapolis where the cop (his client) shot the lady in the alley "when the woman *became deceased*."  Am I really wrong in thinking that a modern, well-maintained firearm SHOULD NOT fire unless the trigger is pulled (regardless of what carelessness or buffoonery was involved)? | |||
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Yeah, well...you can count me among those despicable "numbnuts" of which you speak. I for one will not be sending in my P320 for the voluntary recall/upgrade. I WILL choose not to participate. Indeed, as you have already intimated, I do think this is "some overblown No Big Deal." Can the average box-stock P320 fire if dropped just so onto a certain impact point of its slide? Yeah, probably. Is the likelihood high that my own personal P320 will ever make that journey? Well, no actually. You see I'm not in the habit of regularly tossing my loaded fireams around willy-nilly, and I'm certainly not in the habit of doing it at a particular angle onto a particular surface and/or smacking the back of my pistol's slide with a 12 lb. sledgehammer with enough force to crush a soup can. Those sorts of maneuvers are just not in my typical list of things I'm going to do with my handgun on a given day, which usually only comprise mundane things like shooting them, cleaning them, placing them in a holster, and walking around with them securely in said holster on my person. If this "voluntary upgrade" comprised nothing more than a lower mass trigger and a few stiffer springs, I'd consider it. But re-machining the FCU and the slide for a new ad-on disconnector? To me that sounds too much like the P320 version of; "Send us your old unsafe Series 70 1911 and we'll send you back a new, improved, WAY BETTER Series 80 1911 with an improved firing pin safety and 6 different new and exciting parts that might fail at a critical moment, complete with craptastic trigger!" No, thank you very much. One of the things that pushed me to purchase a Sig P320 was its innovative and simple design, along with its excellent trigger. I'm certainly not going to swap all that out now for a "safer," more complicated, and untested alteration of the design just because a handful of folks figured out a way to semi-reliably get more likes on Youtube. Now, don't get me wrong; as a "noob" who only has several years of law enforcement experience under his belt (a handful of which were spent as an actual firearms instructor if you can believe that!), you are definitely right to be worried about my presence on your beloved public range with my obviously unsafe, drop-fire prone P320. But then again, even if I didn't have my P320 with me I'd probably be shooting my Series 70 Colt 1911, or old model Ruger single action, in which case you'd be in just as much danger if not MORE! | |||
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Everything is worded to cover their butt. You can bet their lawyers are going over everything with a fine tooth comb, given the ongoing lawsuit. | |||
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I entered my serial number. Lo and behold, mine falls in the "law enforcement" category. News to me! They will catch up to me later. End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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Both of mine are LE models too, although I'm not a LEO. It's a long story ... But here's my question: the slide is part of the fix, as I understand it. I have two FCUs, four grip frames, and three slides. I can assemble two complete pistols using the FCUs, and I assume it doesn't matter which grip frame I mount them in. But what do I do with the third slide? It will need the upgrade if I want to use it with the upgraded FCUs, right? EDIT TO ADD: Never mind -- I answered my own question by reading further back in the thread. SIG thought of that one. | |||
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Which begs other questions: 1: If the slides also need to be updated, will the updated CALX kits get a different part number? I'm sure there are a lot of those kits out there on shelves. So if you go to buy one in the future, how will you know if it's compatible with your updated FCU? 2: If you do buy a CALX kit and it's not updated, will SIG update it gratis or will it be on the buyer's dime? 3: I'm also sure there are a lot of P320's on shelves that will be sold over the intervening months. How can one tell if the P320 listed at a dealer's web site is updated or not? I think things will eventually work themselves through. But the interim period could have a lot of confusion. _______________________ “The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” Ayn Rand “If we relinquish our rights because of fear, what is it exactly, then, we are fighting for?” Sen. Rand Paul | |||
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I used the Opera browser and worked just fine. ______________________________ Retired Navy RM/ITC(SW) 1982-2002 USS Edward McDonnell (FF-1043) Mayport FL USS Pegasus (PHM-1) Key West FL. USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70) Bremerton WA. Sig P938/238 Equinox Sig P320C RX Colt Mustang XSP FE | |||
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Question here, and I admit I didn't read all 59 pages of this forum, mainly the last five. But according to the test video I saw they said the flat and glock-like trigger wouldn't fire when dropped. So is it possible just to get the flat trigger installed instead of the upgrades? I was an owner of a Springfield XDs when their recall fiasco happened. It was a cluster. Pistol sucked when returned 4 months later so I'm a little jumpy. As a side note, I work at a gun shop and management decided to pull all the 320's off the shelf until they're fixed. Bad timing since all gun sales are down. Thanks Sig. You can get a long way with a smile. You can get a lot further with a smile and a gun. (Al Capone) | |||
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Probably dont wear a seatbelt either? Probably don't carry off duty? I mean you arent planning on getting into accidents and gunfights right? ________________________________ | |||
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Yeah, I carefully plan all my accidents weeks in advance, too. . . I think it is a safe assumption that the LEO who had his knee messed up due to a *defective* (holstered) weapon didn't plan to do so. I guess only idiots have accidents, right? Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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If the trigger in the military P320s isn't affected, why don't they put that design in the civilian ones? That way Sig just has to make one version of the P320. | |||
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Pretty sure that's the plan. -wolff "In the absence of light, darkness prevails." - Professor Bruttenholm | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
I understand and appreciate your position. In fact I agree with you to the point that I've not quarantined my P320 in the safe until it can be "upgraded" and I'm going to wait to see some results of the "upgrade" before I decide whether or not to send it in. Like you, I also forwent sending my venerable Old Model Single Six Convertible in for the "safety conversion." (If it was just the transfer bar, then, maybe...) Back when it was my only handgun I even carried it in a holster in the woods with six in the cylinder. (Holster has a retention strap.) But here's the deal: While I don't intend to ever drop my P320, and I think the odds very low that I'll ever drop it in just a certain orientation, onto a firm enough surface, to provoke the drop-fire: It could happen. And if it did, and I, or, worse, somebody else were in the path of the discharge, well... So if, once the smoke has cleared I find the results of the "upgrade" acceptable I will send mine in for the upgrade. Unlike my Single Six (which I no longer carry): My P320 is a self-defence firearm, it is handled regularly (daily), and it is carried on occasion. If I don't like what I see resulting from the upgrade: I'll reconsider my options at that point. One of which might be sending it in for the upgrade, selling it and replacing it with something else. Sig's solution to this problem I agree does sound "busy." It is not giving me a warm, fuzzy feeling  "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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I'll get mine registered and wait. In the meantime, I'm going to quit my morning routine of hitting the slide with a hammer or dropping it on concrete just to prove a point.  Beware of a man whose only pistol is a 1911, he's probably very good with it. | |||
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I think your fellow officer in Stamford Ct might disagree with your assessment of his irresponsible gun handling. http://www.ctlawtribune.com/id...s-Gunmaker-Sig-Sauer You see, no matter what your position on the issue, to claim that "tossing firearms around willy-nilly" or hitting them with a "12 lb. sledgehammer" is a GROSS oversimplification of the issue people have been discussing here. | |||
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Who drops a handgun on purpose? No one I know. I'm not sure what point you're making with this. You're just as prone to accidents as the rest of us. You're a police officer? In my opinion, your concern about this issue should be greater than those of us who don't walk around with a pistol on our hip in plain view of some people who hate us. You might have the world's most secure retention holster, but you can still drop your pistol, alone or in a struggle. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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