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What is not speculation is, Sig did not set out to exceed the US Standards for drop testing. And I don't think you can definitively state what Sig knew, so that is speculation also. What is for sure, more information will be publicly available as part of the ongoing litigation. I think we'll all know a lot more when a court has seen the "evidence" from both sides. I'll reserve complete judgement until then. Joe | |||
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My thoughts exactly. I have the PELT on my 320c, Bruce did a competition action package on it, and it is one sweet shooter. I've never questioned Bruce on anything that's been discussed in this thread. Met him at a practical fundamentals course I took a couple of years ago and he's a hell of a good guy. He took real good care of me when I had a little issue with the PELT install. Grayguns emailed me earlier to inform me about what was going on and what they were doing concerning this issue so I have no doubt that they will let me know what my options are when the time comes. Till then I'll go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for all this to blow over.  | |||
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I did not think that mature men did this sort of thing. This is what is known as 'YAGE'. YAGE Meaning : Yet Another Grand Exit. The YAGE is the dramatic thread or post that someone makes when announcing intentions to stop posting on a forum. A typical YAGE involves both insulting other forum members and the announcement of having better things to do with his/her time than post on that forum. Generally, it's followed by "No! Don't go!" from some and some variety of "good riddance" from others. In almost all cases, the author of the YAGE returns in some form or another. Example : Did you see Carl's latest YAGE? He'll be back in a week. Cathy | |||
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He can leave anytime he wants. For his sake, I certainly hope he's a better judge of things than he's demonstrated in this thread. Just more melodrama, to go along with his shaken (not stirred) foundation and his somethingsomething core. | |||
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I guess all of this is moot now anyway since Sig is doing the right thing and fixing all the pistols at their expense. I think what seems odd, or unsettling, or fishy is how quickly this was resolved. August 7th - Omaha Outdoors releases the video August 8th - Sig acknowledges the issue, and declares that they already have a fix. It seems that Sig either got super-super lucky that the adjustment they made to the army trigger HAPPENED to fix the drop safety issue, or they were aware of it before. That said, they may have just been trying to get ahead of bad press. Either way, it is moot. They now have plenty of time to test, retest and test again the proposed fix. The last thing they could afford is to pull a Samsung with a recall, then a second recall. I hope they spend the adequate time to ensure 250% that their Army trigger really does fix the issue. | |||
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Yeah their next moves need to well calculated. I don't think it's outside of the realm of possibility that Sig is not using "recall" language because of the litigation. I'll admit it's speculation, but it's based on Sig being smart enough to call it a "voluntary upgrade" for that reason. It also doesn't require in stock guns on dealer's shelves to be sent back for a recall. Something I don't think anyone here has mentioned thus far. There is a lot more going on here than meets the eye. They are good business decisions based on the estimated # of returns and fixes they'll have to apply, foot the bill for. It's all calculated on $$ and not necessarily a superior customer experience and that is not speculation. But it's a gamble and could fall apart based on the outcome of that litigation. Joe | |||
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Looks like a guy had a AD from a P320 last year and nobody believed him. SIG gave the pistol a clean bill of health. He's taking a well deserved victory lap... https://pistol-forum.com/showt...afety-issues/page107 | |||
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I wonder if this is one of the 3 or 4 ADs that Sig Acknowledges, or if this one was just ignored as it was dismissed out of hand. I think this is a great wakeup call to our community. We are always VERY quick to blame literally everything on operator error. Unfortunately, pistols are designed, manufactured, and serviced by humans who make mistakes. Heck over on the high road forum there is a threat where someone's son had an SCCY go off as it sat on a table. https://www.thehighroad.org/in...lf-discharge.824715/ Of course everyone ripped him to shreds initially, but the son was able to reproduce the problem. 10 seconds of internet sleuthing by yours truly found a youtube video of someone talking about how his hammer sticks and will drop randomly on that same model pistol. I feel bad for Brian Girdler that he was treated the way he was. I suspect if we look back in the history of the P320, we'll find plenty of other incidents of ADs that were immediately dismissed as NDs by the community. | |||
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I used to be part of the Sig Sauer discussion group on Facebook. Many were douchebags. They spent plenty of time bashing Glock. | |||
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No need to get all melodramatic again. Just log off, clear your browser cookies, lose your login credentials, and never return. Good grief. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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Just to be sure, put my serial into the recall site, and it came back with: "It seems your serial number is associated with SIG SAUER product specific to Law Enforcement, Government or International programs. Please refer to the FAQ for more information." So, indeed no "upgrade" for pistols that shipped with a thumb safety. Arc. ______________________________ "Like a bitter weed, I'm a bad seed"- Johnny Cash "I'm a loner, Dottie. A rebel." - Pee Wee Herman Rode hard, put away wet. RIP JHM "You're a junkyard dog." - Lupe Flores. RIP | |||
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Got an email from a retailer with a great deal on dig p320s no mention the the upgrade or issues, 450$ for a 9mm compact. Now unsubscribing from the retailer and will never do business with them again | |||
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This is not correct. Manual safety guns are eligible for the upgrade. LE guns will taken care of at a later date. | |||
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The FAQ says that serial numbers associated with armed professional purchases, individual officer purchases, or law enforcement, an additional form will be made available in the next few days. | |||
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Sorry, forgot the "yet." I have a MA compliant gun, which I thought might still fall in their "commercial" serial range. Arc. ______________________________ "Like a bitter weed, I'm a bad seed"- Johnny Cash "I'm a loner, Dottie. A rebel." - Pee Wee Herman Rode hard, put away wet. RIP JHM "You're a junkyard dog." - Lupe Flores. RIP | |||
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I have 2 MA complaint MS guns that are commercial guns. I submitted the serial numbers first thing with success Monday morning. The first one I purchased was part of the first batch that went out to commercial dealers. From what I understand, the reason that Sig released the MS guns was due to the fulfillment of a large LEO contract in Mass. It was rumored, they would not release an MS gun to the commercial market until a large contract was done. Makes sense I guess. | |||
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Grayguns just posted an update: https://grayguns.com/additiona...ary-upgrade-program/
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To summarize the Grayguns PDFs, if you bought just the trigger, or the full Carry Action Package, they recommend you remove your trigger and send your gun to Sig, but if you bought the Competition Action Package they recommend you wait, and contact them first before registering for the voluntary program with Sig. It's worth reading the full PDFs if you're affected either way. | |||
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My last Sig USA products ever. Love my X5s but this whole thing is a hassle. Defiantely disappointed overall. Being in CA I have to jump through so many hoops due to how Sig treats off roster guns. | |||
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"When you have to shoot...Shoot! Don't talk" - Tuco | |||
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