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Originally posted by lordhamster:

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Originally posted by Grayguns:
Please read our first of a series of official statements on this subject of the newly discovered "Omaha drop" vulnerability.

My Crew and I have been intensely focused on this since it hit Monday.

Unlike the overhyped non-story from Dallas two weeks ago that a minority of opportunistic bloggers embellished with fabrications, this new story out of Omaha Outdoors is substantive.

And unlike our response to the largely fictional Dallas fiasco, our response to this new revelation is completely different, as befits the real concerns it imports.

-Bruce

Bruce, you were 100% correct in your response to the Dallas situation. However what people were reacting to I suspect are the following lines from page 6:

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Originally posted by Grayguns:
I am here to tell you that there is no safety issues with the P320.

This was a very hard to find safety issue. As someone in data analytics & software biz, I feel you on this. Looking at the same data you had to go on at the time, I'd have come to the same conclusion.

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Originally posted by Grayguns:
And, for that record, there has never been a verified instance of any P320 firing when dropped out of the nearly 350,000 sold to date, much less a factory-spec pistol.

I have looked for such reports and followed up on everything I find, for three solud years. It hasn't happened.

The recent YouTube video pupirtibg to show a "P320 drop test" failure is an obvious fake.

I have personally bounced these puppies off of everything I can find. No go bang, ever.

This crap needs to be dismissed. The P320 is safe.

-Bruce

I think in retrospect we got very lucky that the internet "trolls" indeed got interested. Because in this case they potentially may have saved a life or two in the process.

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Originally posted by Grayguns:

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Originally posted by lordhamster:

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Originally posted by Grayguns:
Please read our first of a series of official statements on this subject of the newly discovered "Omaha drop" vulnerability.

My Crew and I have been intensely focused on this since it hit Monday.

Unlike the overhyped non-story from Dallas two weeks ago that a minority of opportunistic bloggers embellished with fabrications, this new story out of Omaha Outdoors is substantive.

And unlike our response to the largely fictional Dallas fiasco, our response to this new revelation is completely different, as befits the real concerns it imports.

-Bruce

Bruce, you were 100% correct in your response to the Dallas situation. However what people were reacting to I suspect are the following lines from page 6:

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Originally posted by Grayguns:
I am here to tell you that there is no safety issues with the P320.

This was a very hard to find safety issue. As someone in data analytics & software biz, I feel you on this. Looking at the same data you had to go on at the time, I'd have come to the same conclusion.

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Originally posted by Grayguns:
And, for that record, there has never been a verified instance of any P320 firing when dropped out of the nearly 350,000 sold to date, much less a factory-spec pistol.

I have looked for such reports and followed up on everything I find, for three solud years. It hasn't happened.

The recent YouTube video pupirtibg to show a "P320 drop test" failure is an obvious fake.

I have personally bounced these puppies off of everything I can find. No go bang, ever.

This crap needs to be dismissed. The P320 is safe.

-Bruce

I think in retrospect we got very lucky that the internet "trolls" indeed got interested. Because in this case they potentially may have saved a life or two in the process.

It wasn't a nasty meme that discovered this newly revealed issue.

I made ststements that anyone who knew the P320 believed were factual at that time.

Folks should rightly question me for for holding to reasonaed beliefs based on extensive experience. But they only get to wuestion my integrity if they have ever stood up to be counted squarely on the side of doing right, at such personal cost.

The instant I really grasped this new issue, my course was set. Other folks with no skin in the game can keep talking I suppose.

I hear retirement is boring snyhow.



-Bruce

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Originally posted by Grayguns:
Grayguns Inc. is working very closely with our partner SIG SAUER to address the REAL concerns our mutual customers rightfully have about their P320's.

Our customers who have ever had P320 competition or carry work, or who have installed a PELT trigger, will be offered an array of excellent options that each preserve or enhance the original value proposition they paid good money for. SIG will respect our work, and we will offer better alternatives either way. These details need to be ironed out, and that's what we're doing now. As we were all blindsided by this, it will take time.

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We are seeing to it that not one mutual SIG / Grayguns Inc. customer will be left stranded with a pistol he or she doesn't fully trust, nor lose a dime of investment value.

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Recent events indicate that dropping the P320 beyond U.S. standards for safety may cause an unintentional discharge.

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Originally posted by Grayguns:
I suppose that some of the members here who are taking potshots at me...

Sanctimony is cheap when you don't have to write the cheques we are.

...the hate and nastiness I see here, and which infects all of social media. Push back on the minority of jerks whose lives seem reduced to
tearing others down in ceaselessly deconstructive arguing.

And stop posting innuendo, speculation and repeated lies as if they were facts.
There is practically nothing asserted in this entire thread that I can say is entirely factual.

Our industry is eating itself alive with this shit, and with the industry goes the sports, civil rights and traditions that it supports.

Everyone needs to stop it. Now.
Somebof my fellow Forum members piss me off sometimes...

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Originally posted by RC Fan:

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Originally posted by XinTX:
I have heard this as well. That the testing for this and other firearms don't include the drop configuration that's being discussed here. Anyone know for certain? I'm not knowledgeable on those ANSI test standards.

For whatever reason, this particular drop angle is not included in the standard drop tests.

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Originally posted by ether:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by RX-79G:
Hi Bruce,

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Brother, I appreciate our discussions here, and I have my own thoughts about the latest official post, but you're skating. I woulda rather PM'ed you, but I couldn't. I can already tell ya Para's in no mood. Can we both cool it till at least Monday?

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Originally posted by XinTX:
Might be interesting if someone would test a few other pistols using the same drop and see what happens. I have a feeling more than one would also fail.

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Originally posted by ScopeX5:
Depending on how Sig acts with this whole situation. I've lost some faith in Sig. I still love my X5s but I'm so so on my P320 as of now. Defiantely looking at other platforms at the moment. I wish Sig would spend more time and effort on engineering.

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Originally posted by RX-79G:

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I realize you think I'm screwing with Bruce, but I am genuinely trying to communicate to him that some of the derision I have read aimed at him in recent days on several websites is because he sounds both angry and broadly dismissive. "Tone".

I don't think Bruce Gray is anything but a decent fellow and talented gunsmith. Which is why I hope people do not misunderstand his intent with some of the angry messages he has posted.

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Originally posted by RX-79G:
Hi Bruce,

Do you think you could be a little more specific...

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RX-79G, I've had enough

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Originally posted by wolffy88:
I think it would go a long way if Sig were to state on Monday that they are working with industry testers to add this specific test to the testing methodology. Afterall, one of Sig's reps stated that he didn't think the current standard was good enough.

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Originally posted by ScopeX5:
Depending on how Sig acts with this whole situation. I've lost some faith in in the Sig. I still love my X5s but I'm so so on my P320 as of now. Defiantely looking at other platforms at the moment. I wish Sig would spend more time and effort on engineering.