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Originally posted by comet24:
What would happen if you took two P320's and made a pendulum with them.

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
Burning questions, surely. But, perhaps now we can get back to to the matter at hand, and away from the personal bickering that had begun to mire the thread.

This isn't the first time a major weapons manufacturer has had to make, "adjustments," and it won't be the last. None are untarnished in this regard.

The motivation for SIG to remedy this, is as simple as capitalism can be, and that'll take just a moment.

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:
... an unending line of new videos are out with everyone and their dog jumping on the bandwagon, ...

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
If an Israeli drops a P320 in the woods? Does it make a sound?

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

Ha! Trick question. Israel is essentially in and surrounded by desert. There isn't much, if anything, in the way of "woods."

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Originally posted by RX-79G:

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Originally posted by Excam_Man:
Walther CCP doesn't have the trigger safety, but it does have a manual safety. Maybe the reason the M17 has the safety?

The Walther CCP is also the subject to a drop safety recall:

http://www.waltherarms.com/ccp-recall-notice/

A real recall, not "upgrade".

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Originally posted by jljones:
About 12 hours after the thread was up, I got a strongly worded email from an employee at Daniel advising me to change the title of my thread, due to the fact it had inflammatory information such as the word "recall", when it was in fact a safety notification. He even went on to say that his bosses were not pleased by it.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Which tells me that they were scouring the internet putting out PR fires and trying to manage their mess.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Had I known about such a thing, I would have featured the Goddamned thread, called everyone's attention to it, and defied the manufacturer to do anything about it.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

Had I known about such a thing, I would have featured the Goddamned thread, called everyone's attention to it, and defied the manufacturer to do anything about it.

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Originally posted by LincolnSixEcho:
Sorry don't want to sift through 41 pages to find this if it has been posted already, but would the 320 x-5 also be included in the drop failures?

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Originally posted by jljones:
Gun companies get real wrapped around the axel about how a recall was worded.

https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...0601935/m/8560020524

I posted this thread the end of May in the rifles section about a recall the DD was having. The original title was "Daniel Defense Safety Recall". About 12 hours after the thread was up, I got a strongly worded email from an employee at Daniel advising me to change the title of my thread, due to the fact it had inflammatory information such as the word "recall", when it was in fact a safety notification. He even went on to say that his bosses were not pleased by it.

Which tells me that they were scouring the internet putting out PR fires and trying to manage their mess.

I forwarded the email to LDD, and deleted the "recall" from the thread title. Was it a recall? Yep. Is this a recall. Yep. But it is the games they play.

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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:
Just curious.

Why did you comply with the "request"?

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Originally posted by X5Allround:

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Originally posted by LincolnSixEcho:
Sorry don't want to sift through 41 pages to find this if it has been posted already, but would the 320 x-5 also be included in the drop failures?

Sig Sauer has not excluded any models other than M17 and M18 from the voluntary upgrade program, so on that basis it is included.

Andrew Tuohy's tests with a sample size of one indicated that they are immune to his test protocol. Also that usign the X5 factory flat bow trigger in other models makes them much less susceptible.

However, Tuohy only tested the +120 degree (Sig calls it -30 with their weird X axis origin) drop, not the real -30 degree drop (on the dust cover and mag plate front edge). I would expect a pistol with a lighter trigger to be more susceptible to that drop angle as the mass ratio would then favor the trigger bar moving forward more easily.

I don't think we have enough data points to call whether the X5 models are safer than the other models just yet.

Personally I think with the X5s a more relevant question is how will Sig and GGI coordinate upgrades of those pistols, because my gut feeling is that a much higher percentage of the X5s have GGI or Apex aftermarket triggers and/or trigger jobs in them compared to the total P320 population.

Edit: OTOH most of these pistols are for race use where drop safety is much less valued than a good trigger pull. In the action shooting sports where such pistols are typically used, even in the current state any P320 is drop safer than average, because most of the pistols in that use are inherently not drop safe due to one or several drop safeties being intentionally disabled, removed or not even built in from the factory.