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Originally posted by LH2:
I love my 19

You guys think I should buy a 32/33 or 36 next?

I tend to think the .357 Sig out of that short G33 barrel is maybe a waste, with a whole lot of muzzle blast. Maybe the 26/27 are the better choices in a baby Glock?

I like my 32. I have no idea what the ballistics are with that size barrel, but it is a bunch of fun to shoot and the few times it's been to the range in 357 (I bought a 9mm conversion barrel as buying 357 is expensive enough to make ya cry) someone would always wonder over and seem real surprised all that noise was coming out of a little ole Glock.

You guys can have your Glocks. Until they get rid of the ugly hump on the back of the grip, and realize that one size really fits nobody, I'll stick to my Walther P99.

I bought a 17 and sold it. I bought a 23 and sold it. I own a 19 and I will probably sell it and replace it with a 226. The 19/23 is the only Glock that that I really like. The grip “feel” is different from Glock to Glock. The 17 does not feel the same as the 19. Or the 21 and the 26. I do admire the Glocks simplicity and how narrow they are. However in comparison all the Sigs have FULL size grips (no finger slots on the Magazine). It does not matter if I pick up a 232, 225, 226, 220 the sites are right there when drawn and it feels comfortable. As far as .45's go the 220 is the best .45 ever (ok maybe the 1911 lol). The 21 does not even compare.

You're almost correct: the 225 has the best grip of all. My 226 feels a bit big in my hand, but I shoot it OK. The 245 feels like a 220 and I'm pretty happy with it too. But the 225 and G19 are my favorite carry guns, depending on what I'm wearing. Neither will go anywhere and neither will my other Glocks and Sigs, especially my G20 10mm, a caliber I am hopelessly addicted to.

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Originally posted by lupus:
Para,I put the blame on you for that sin...

Sweet! Awesome rig...What are the Stamps? Was it an import? I want a 19 too...Please describe your rig and the lock, symbol, etc.

That's the first one I've seen with a lock.

Depending on what the actual changes are with the 4th Generation models (interchangeable grip inserts?), I may be tempted to pick up a G19.

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Originally posted by Czechvar:
Sweet! Awesome rig...What are the Stamps? Was it an import? I want a 19 too...Please describe your rig and the lock, symbol, etc.

Those are Austrian proof marks, the eagle marked with #2# is a Vienna proof house mark used since 1945 for the black powder ammo, the mark #NPv# is also another Vienna proof house mark for the smokeless powder ammo since 1891.

The capital letters are the date codes; # N # for the month March, # O # for the zero and # T # for the eight which means that the pistol is proofed in March 2008. The numbers # 09 # on the left side of the frame mean that the frame is molded in 2009.

The holster is an open top original Glock factory belt holster. It holds the pistol very close and tight to the body. It locks the pistol very tightly while letting it to unholster easily. The keys are for the lock which locks the trigger bar but not the slide. I do live in Turkey and this option is obligated to add for the importer espacially for preventing civilians from attaching butt stocks to their pistols which is also a restricted accessory for the LE and Military.

Regards.

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Originally posted by lupus:

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Originally posted by Czechvar:
Sweet! Awesome rig...What are the Stamps? Was it an import? I want a 19 too...Please describe your rig and the lock, symbol, etc.

Those are Austrian proof marks, the eagle marked with #2# is a Vienna proof house mark used since 1945 for the black powder ammo, the mark #NPv# is also another Vienna proof house mark for the smokeless powder ammo since 1891.

The capital letters are the date codes; # N # for the month March, # O # for the zero and # T # for the eight which means that the pistol is proofed in March 2008. The numbers # 09 # on the left side of the frame mean that the frame is molded in 2009.

The holster is an open top original Glock factory belt holster. It holds the pistol very close and tight to the body. It locks the pistol very tightly while letting it to unholster easily. The keys are for the lock which locks the trigger bar but not the slide. I do live in Turkey and this option is obligated to add for the importer espacially for preventing civilians from attaching butt stocks to their pistols which is also a restricted accessory for the LE and Military.

Regards.

So you live (Stationed?) in Turkey...Did you buy the G19 on the local economy or through a military Rod and Gun Club? If you don't mind, how was the price?

Just got back from a local range when I spent an intimate hour and 150 rounds with a G17.

Accuracy was pretty good to very good, on par almost with the Baretta 92. I am sure it had 10 billion rounds through it (being a range gun), recoil wasn't bad, target acquisition was good. I repeatedly went to the right of center at 1:00-2:00.

But you know what? After shooting a P229 last weekend, it was like going from a Rolls to a Nissan. I really do not see myself buying one.

Just felt less. Not quite as comfortable or amenable to my hand. The Sig fit like it had used a mold to fit. My accuracy with the P229 was dead on....so that helped also.

Just not terribly impressed after reading all the hoopla in praise of Glock. maybe it is like going to see the movie everybody raves about and it becomes rather anti-climatic.

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Originally posted by Czechvar:
So you live (Stationed?) in Turkey...Did you buy the G19 on the local economy or through a military Rod and Gun Club? If you don't mind, how was the price?

Dear Czechvar, I am a native resident in Turkey. The taxes applied to the civilians are incredible to limit private firearms ownership as much as possible. The government also applies much more higher taxes on imported firearms to protect and support the domestic manufacturers. In recent years the imported firearms and ammo prices went up beyond the buying limits of many enthusiasts unfortunately.

For example an alloy frame stamped steel slide SIG Sauer P226 or a P228 cost 4000 USD NIB and the used ones can be found for 3000 USD. HK USP F costs 3900 USD NIB and a BHP costs 3700 USD. A decent CZ or an older BHP can be found as low as 1500 to 2000 USD. Most of the locally manufactured NIB standard service pistols can be bought under 1500-2000 USD and even they can be bought by tally trade.

So as it comes to the G19, I paid 2800 USD.

Regards.

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Originally posted by lupus:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Czechvar:

So as it comes to the G19, I paid 2800 USD.

Ouch!

Well for that price you better get out and start enjoying it! I've never seen the lock outside of the Glock brochures, it looks like it's integrated real well. The proof marks are interesting too- and pretty uncommon in the US. The date code did throw me off for a minute though- I saw G19 on the slide but the barrel says NOT 9x19? I think I need more coffee...

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Originally posted by lupus:

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Originally posted by Czechvar:
So you live (Stationed?) in Turkey...Did you buy the G19 on the local economy or through a military Rod and Gun Club? If you don't mind, how was the price?

Dear Czechvar, I am a native resident in Turkey. The taxes applied to the civilians are incredible to limit private firearms ownership as much as possible. The government also applies much more higher taxes on imported firearms to protect and support the domestic manufacturers. In recent years the imported firearms and ammo prices went up beyond the buying limits of many enthusiasts unfortunately.

For example an alloy frame stamped steel slide SIG Sauer P226 or a P228 cost 4000 USD NIB and the used ones can be found for 3000 USD. HK USP F costs 3900 USD NIB and a BHP costs 3700 USD. A decent CZ or an older BHP can be found as low as 1500 to 2000 USD. Most of the locally manufactured NIB standard service pistols can be bought under 1500-2000 USD and even they can be bought by tally trade.

So as it comes to the G19, I paid 2800 USD.

Regards.

What are the laws like in regards to CCW? Can you carry your Glock?

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Originally posted by Sevo1967:
You guys can have your Glocks. Until they get rid of the ugly hump on the back of the grip, and realize that one size really fits nobody, I'll stick to my Walther P99.

Hump, what hump????

I'll admit that I'm a recovering Glockaholic.

I've owned five of them, my first being a G27. Most were sold to trim down the number of ammo calibers I have to buy or to finance Sigs. I still have two Glock 19s, but one of those will probably go away to get a P228.

I'll always keep one Glock though...

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That's the first one I've seen with a lock.

Same here. That's the first I've seen with the 09 on the left side of the frame/grip area.

A big G20 left out of here yesterday. Made me think... sure would like another one one of these days.

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Originally posted by lupus:

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Originally posted by Czechvar:
So you live (Stationed?) in Turkey...Did you buy the G19 on the local economy or through a military Rod and Gun Club? If you don't mind, how was the price?

Dear Czechvar, I am a native resident in Turkey. The taxes applied to the civilians are incredible to limit private firearms ownership as much as possible. The government also applies much more higher taxes on imported firearms to protect and support the domestic manufacturers. In recent years the imported firearms and ammo prices went up beyond the buying limits of many enthusiasts unfortunately.

For example an alloy frame stamped steel slide SIG Sauer P226 or a P228 cost 4000 USD NIB and the used ones can be found for 3000 USD. HK USP F costs 3900 USD NIB and a BHP costs 3700 USD. A decent CZ or an older BHP can be found as low as 1500 to 2000 USD. Most of the locally manufactured NIB standard service pistols can be bought under 1500-2000 USD and even they can be bought by tally trade.
So as it comes to the G19, I paid 2800 USD.
Regards.

Lupus,
Yikes! That's steep! Are these prices typical for EU countries? What's it like when you want to take it to the range? Is ammunition expensive/available? Another person asked about concealed carry laws, and I wondered about the same things. Thanks for all the information, this is very interesting.

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Originally posted by 220ST:

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That's the first one I've seen with a lock.

Same here. That's the first I've seen with the 09 on the left side of the frame/grip area.

A big G20 left out of here yesterday. Made me think... sure would like another one one of these days.

A LOCK and a HUMP??????? Now, never

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Originally posted by pjd17011:

What are the laws like in regards to CCW? Can you carry your Glock?

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Originally posted by Czechvar:
Lupus,
Yikes! That's steep! Are these prices typical for EU countries? What's it like when you want to take it to the range? Is ammunition expensive/available? Another person asked about concealed carry laws, and I wondered about the same things. Thanks for all the information, this is very interesting.

The firearms prices differ so much in EU countries, I do not know the exact prices all over the EU, but I suppose the highest rates are in my country. The importers and distributors can not sell any kind of rifled firearm by themselves, be it a pistol or a rifle, or ammo for those firearms. All the rifled bored firearms must enter in the inventory of a governmnet facility, and then can be sold to the customers only by that facility located in the capital Ankara.

To buy a rifled bored firearm from that facility you first apply to your local police or gendarme department. First they check and approve your residence and criminal record. When you get your approval, they send you to a local hospital and you are examined by six specialists including neurologist, psychiatrist, ophthalmologist, otorhinolaryngologist, orthopedist and internal specialist. When you get a complete committee report, it is put in your file with your residence and criminal reports and they arrenge a firearms purchase authorization certificate for you and you can buy only one firearm with that paper. You have to follow and repeat the procedure for every seperate firearm. Any firearms registration is valid for five years, in every five year you have to repeat all the procedure for evey firearm you keep with you.

Every firearm is sold with 200 rounds of ammo for it. This is the total amount of ammo you can take with you annually. Every year you have to make a seperate application to get an additional 200 rounds of ammo to keep with yourself. But there is no limitations at the ranges. You can shoot as much ammo as you want. And just one round of 124 gr NATO FMJ ammo is .75 $.

Most firearms are allowed to be purchased to keep them only at the residence you declared and approved by the local security department.And the tax for that registration is approximately 450 USD for each firearm for every five years. When you want to go to the range with a firearm which is just approved to be kept in a certain address you have to make an application to your local police department to get a transport permit. The permission is given with a certain date and hour. If you transport or carry any firearm registered to keep in a certain address you are charged as you are dealing with an unlicensed firearm regardless of the registration you have.

Carry permit is given only to local government authorities, ex-military or security personel, jewelers or goldsmiths ( as you can see to buy a rifled firearm you have to be so, ), any person approved to have a life threatening danger, any person who pays a certain amount of tax, oil station keepers, gunsmiths and gun store keepers, building contractors, lawyers, etc. And the amount of tax paid for a carry permit for each firearm is approximately 1500 USD for five years. In every five year your registration is arranged from the beginning with a new tax payment.

So, the firearm owners are the healtiest, richest,cleanest and the most patient people in my country.

Regards.

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