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I’m listening to Levin right now and he makes well reasoned points.
Very few are at this point, I’m losing a lot of respect for several conservative talk show hosts right now,
Like others have said win or lose Sydney Powell is my hero!
 
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On May 9, 2019, the EAC announced that they had selected Jerome Lovato, who had worked at the EAC since September 2017, to replace Macias. The resignation of Macias and the subsequent appointment of Lovato raised some concerns in Congress, as noted in a letter sent to the EAC by Sens. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) and Chris Coons (D-Del.).

“Following the resignation of Ryan Macias, public reporting indicates that the EAC now employs only one full-time staff member dedicated to overseeing the certification process. While we understand that the Commission may be working to hire additional staff, we are concerned by the sudden appointment of Jerome Lovato to be the Director of Testing and Certification especially as reports indicating that Mr. Lovato will be working remotely, more than a thousand miles from EAC headquarters. As states continue to update their election equipment and vendors develop new machines, it is essential that Testing and Certification at the EAC be fully operational,” the senators wrote in their letter.

“Given the length of time the certification process can take, we are concerned that the EAC will not be able to certify the machines that states intend to use as part of their modernization efforts ahead of the 2020 elections.”

The concern over the EAC having only “one full-time staff member dedicated to overseeing the certification process” seems understandable given the potential importance of that duty. The senators asked the EAC what actions they would be taking to shore up personnel in front of the 2020 election.

That question was answered on May 21, 2019 with the announcement that the EAC was adding two individuals to its voting certification program—Jessica Bowers, recently the director of certification for Dominion and a 10-year veteran with the firm, and Paul Aumayr, a former Maryland election official.

An article describing the new hires noted “It was not immediately clear how the EAC might mitigate any potential conflicts of interest that could arise with hiring Bowers, the former director of certification at Dominion Voting Systems, onto the EAC program.”

The EAC website describes Bowers as managing “voting system testing and certification projects as well as assisting the development of new Voluntary Voting System Guidelines” but fails to disclose any direct mention of her role at Dominion Voting Systems.

“Prior to joining the EAC, she was the Director of Certification for a voting system manufacturer and has worked in the election industry in software development and certification since 2008,” the website states.

Under EAC Staff Members, Bowers is listed as Acting CIO/CISO, while Aumayr is listed as Senior Election Technology Specialist. Despite the important role the EAC plays in election integrity, they list only a total of 23 staff members, five executives (of which Lovato is one), and four commissioners. The EAC does have a large Board of Advisors comprised of 37 individuals.

Both Bowers and Aumayr appear to have hit the ground running as a July 9, 2019 update from the EAC Testing and Certification blog lists Aumayr as the Project Manager for Dominion Voting Systems’ “Democracy Suite 5.5B” and Clear Ballot’s “ClearVote 2.0” while Bowers is listed as the Project Manager for Election Systems & Software’s (ES&S) “EVS 6.1.0.0” and Unisyn Voting Solutions’ “OpenElect 2.1.”

All four of these companies are members of CISA’s Sector Coordinating Council, one of two councils that issued a recent Nov. 12 joint statement on the election, claiming it was the “most secure in American history.”

On the EAC website, there are seven Voting System Test Laboratories (VSTL) listed. However, only two of these testing labs, Pro V&V and SLI Compliance, are listed on the page as accredited, as the others are listed as having their accreditation expired.

From early 2017 on, these two companies are the only testing labs to have provided voting system certification according to a listing of certifications by the EAC.

For one of the two companies used, Pro V&V, the EAC fails to publicly provide the accreditation certificate on its website, instead linking to a page giving a “page could not be found” warning.

The latest certificate listed for Pro V&V on the company’s profile overview on the EAC website has an issue date of Feb. 24, 2015 and is effective through Feb. 24, 2017. It is unclear if the company’s accreditation is truly expired or if the fault lies with the EAC website.
 
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Despite being responsible for the testing and data used in the certification of entire voting systems, including that of Dominion’s recently certified “Democracy Suite (D-Suite) 5.5-C Voting System (Pro V&V Test Report June 16, 2020), while simultaneously providing system testing across the nation, Pro V&V has only a single office listed, located in a business suite, that is supported by a surprisingly crude and sparse website.

The website description of Pro V&V’s facilities omits the “Suite” portion of their address while claiming their “office and laboratory layouts allow ample space for test equipment, software, and hardware used in the testing process.” Their site also claims they have the option of expanding into additional space within the same complex.

Pro V&V, like Dominion Voting and Smartmatic, is a member of CISA’s Sector Coordinating Council, the same council that recently issued the joint statement on the 2020 presidential election. The other primary testing lab, SLI Compliance, is also a member of the same council.

In response to recent allegations of potential problems with the integrity of Dominion’s voting machines used in the Nov. 3 election, Pro V&V has been repeatedly cited as an authority in denying these allegations, including the recount in Georgia.

In July 2019, despite existing legal challenges, Georgia purchased a $106 million election system from Dominion Voting Systems. In a lawsuit, which originated in 2017, critics contended that the new system was subject to many of the same security vulnerabilities as the one it was replacing.

The issue most recently came to a head after credible accusations emerged of problems with voting machines.

Sworn affidavits, filed as part of an emergency motion on Nov. 17, detail allegations by poll observers of potential election fraud. Among other things, the poll workers recounted similar instances of pristine ballots that had similar characteristics: “They were all for Biden and had the same perfect black bubble.”

However, on that same day, Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger issued a statement announcing the completion of the state’s voting machine audit which claimed “Pro V&V found no evidence of the machines being tampered.”

The statement was widely cited by media organizations and others as evidence that claims of problems with voting machines in Georgia were meritless.

A closer examination of the statement, however, indicates that the only thing Pro V&V did was extract “the software or firmware from the components to check that the only software or firmware on the components was certified for use by the Secretary of State’s office.” The headline of the release appears to have been more important than the scope of the actual functions performed by Pro V&V.

Earlier this year, in an Aug. 24 sworn declaration, Harri Hursti, an acknowledged expert on electronic voting security, provided a first-hand description of problems he observed with Georgia’s new voting systems during the June 9 statewide primary election and the runoff elections on Aug. 11.

Hursti told the court of a series of problems, including the fact that “the scanner and tabulation software settings being employed to determine which votes to count on hand marked paper ballots are likely causing clearly intentioned votes not to be counted.”

Hursti also said that “the voting system is being operated in Fulton County in a manner that escalates the security risk to an extreme level.” And that “voters are not reviewing their BMD [Ballot Marking Devices] printed ballots, which causes BMD generated results to be un-auditable due to the untrustworthy audit trail.”

Separately, during pre-election testing of Dominion’s voting systems in Georgia in late September, election officials discovered a problem with the display for the U.S. Senate race, finding that under certain circumstances, not all of the candidates’ names fit on a single screen.

Lawyers for Dominion called the problem a “very minor issue” easily fixed with changes to the software. Lawyers for “voting integrity activists,” already involved in lawsuits over Georgia’s new Dominion System, voiced concerns over “the severity of the problem and the security of a last-minute fix.”

Dominion submitted the software fix to Pro V&V, for evaluation. Notably, Pro V&V had just recently provided certification testing for Dominion’s Democracy Suite 5.5-C on April 20, 2020 and June 16, 2020 leading to the July 9, 2020 EAC Certification but had not caught the software problem at the time.
 
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On Oct. 1, a Zoom court hearing took place and a transcript of that hearing was made. During the call, Dr. Coomer from Dominion came into the Zoom meeting. Although no first name was provided, it appears to refer to Dr. Eric Coomer, director of Product Strategy and Security for Dominion Voting Systems.

Coomer told the Court it was his belief the software change “was de minimis,” but stated that Dominion did not make that determination but instead “submit that change to an accredited laboratory, in this case Pro V&V. They analyze the change. They look at the code. And they determine whether it is de minimis or not.”

Later during the hearing, Coomer was asked if he knew whom at Pro V&V was performing the software testing. Coomer said he did not and noted “I don’t know the makeup of Pro V&V’s employees.”

This statement from Coomer strikes as somewhat odd given that only three employees of Pro V&V have been located in reviewed documents; Jack Cobb, Michael Walker, and Wendy Owens. It was Owens and Walker who performed the Nov. 26, 2019 Testing for the Certification of Dominion Voting Systems Democracy Suite 5.5-A and it was these same two individuals who provided the April 13, 2020 and June 16, 2020 Testing of Dominion’s Democracy Suite 5.5-C. Additionally, Pro V&V and Dominion are both members of the same CISA council.

Indeed, on Oct. 2, 2020, a letter from Wendy Owens of Pro V&V was sent confirming “that this version of the ICX software corrected the issue with displaying of two column contests.” The letter concluded with a recommendation from Pro V&V that the software change to Dominion’s systems be “deemed as de minimis.”

On Oct. 3, a declaration from Dr. J. Alex Halderman was filed that refuted the procedures of Pro V&V’s testing, noting that the “report makes clear that Pro V&V performed only cursory testing of this new software. The company did not attempt to independently verify the cause of the ballot display problem, nor did it adequately verify that the changes are an effective solution. Pro V&V also appears to have made no effort to test whether the changes create new problems that impact the reliability, accuracy, or security of the BMD system.”

On Oct. 11, Judge Amy Totenberg in the case issued a ruling (pdf) noting that “Despite the profound issues raised by the Plaintiffs, the Court cannot jump off the legal edge and potentially trigger major disruption in the legally established state primary process.”

Although Judge Totenberg ruled to allow the Dominion System to be used in the Nov 3, 2020 election, she voiced real concerns, stating the “risks are neither hypothetical nor remote.”

She also noted that Jack Cobb, the director of Pro V&V, “plainly indicated that he actually claims no specialized knowledge or background in cybersecurity engineering and did not himself perform any security risk analysis of the BMD [Ballot Marking Device] system.” Instead, “State Defendants relied on Dr. Coomer’s testimony, to address—based on his professional experience—some of the significant cybersecurity issues raised by Plaintiffs.”
 
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I’m listening to Levin right now and he makes well reasoned points.
Very few are at this point, I’m losing a lot of respect for several conservative talk show hosts right now,
Like others have said win or lose Sydney Powell is my hero!



Which conservative hosts are giving up? I mainly just listen to Dennis Prager, so I am not up to speed on all the others.
 
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I’m listening to Levin right now and he makes well reasoned points.
Very few are at this point, I’m losing a lot of respect for several conservative talk show hosts right now,
Like others have said win or lose Sydney Powell is my hero!



Which conservative hosts are giving up? I mainly just listen to Dennis Prager, so I am not up to speed on all the others.


Unfortunately Tucker and Ingraham seem to be folding.
 
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Unfortunately Tucker and Ingraham seem to be folding.



That is not good. Disappointing.

Hopefully this is just crazy times and when it all settles we will see they are fighting the good fight.
 
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Unfortunately Tucker and Ingraham seem to be folding.



That is not good. Disappointing.

Hopefully this is just crazy times and when it all settles we will see they are fighting the good fight.


Screw em. Will not be watching either again. This is the ballgame. If they aren't with us now then we have no use for them later.
 
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Unfortunately Tucker and Ingraham seem to be folding.



That is not good. Disappointing.

Hopefully this is just crazy times and when it all settles we will see they are fighting the good fight.


Ingraham has essentially conceded.

Tucker walked right up to the edge, but seems to be trying to hedge his bets IMHO. He's walking a pretty fine line...his program is still conservative and asking some questions...but when it comes to the POTUS election, he's not taking a hard supportive stance for DJT.

He did mention something to the effect last week that his show had received a lot of calls asking if they were going to be staying around, and he said something along the lines that they were expanding. That could have been part of the reason he's trying to have his cake and eat it too, or at least not quite completely throwing in the towel, which was where it looked like he was heading for a time.

The rest of Fox...now not much different than the rest of them...

$.02 worth.


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Some local Seattle conservative radio hosts seem to be tapping out. Kirby Wilbur for one, and it’s very disappinting.
And yes Laura Ingraham has folded, I expected a lot more from her.
I just won’t listen to the negative vibe some are putting out there, saying we just have to accept this blah blah blah.
Screw that, we fight to the end and pray for the right outcome!
 
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If Republicans, conservatives, and other non leftist won’t fight the leftist totalitarians, then they are just standing by while the left is perpetuating the destruction of the USA.

Weak republicans actually make me sicker than even a leftist.
 
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Why hang your head, because radio hosts and talking heads are folding?

Do you think they will be the ones bearing the guidon, when push comes to shove?

It's. Fucking. Time.

Time to man up, stand with your chin up, and be ready. The commies will not let up. Talking points are over.

The left wants us gone. I want them gone.

Be ready.


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Absolutely right, we don’t fit into their world, and they don’t fit into ours.
It is fucking time!
 
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Georgia Governor Calls for Audit of Signatures on Ballot Envelopes

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...mpaign=mb-2020-11-21

Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp on Friday urged the state’s top election official to conduct an audit of the signatures on ballot envelopes.

Kemp, a Republican, made the remarks during a press conference during which he signaled that he would sign off on the certification of the election results after the Peach State conducted a risk-limiting audit of the presidential election which showed Democratic nominee Joe Biden ahead of President Donald Trump by 12,284 votes.

“It’s important to note that this audit only looked at ballots, not the signatures of the absentee applications or the signatures on the ballot envelopes,” Kemp said, adding that he would encourage Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to address concerns about the signatures.

“It seems simple enough to conduct a sample audit of signatures on the absentee ballot envelopes and compare those to the signatures on applications and on file at the secretary of state’s office.”

The risk-limiting audit, which has been referred to as a hand recount, turned up thousands of uncounted votes in four counties. More than a dozen witnesses of the recount signed sworn affidavits attesting to errors and potential fraud, including Trump votes which were counted for Biden and suspicious batches of pristine, uncreased, and uniformly filled absentee ballots.

During the brief announcement on Friday, Kemp said that the certification of the election results opens new paths for the Trump campaign, including a recount.

A day prior to Kemp’s announcement, a Georgia federal judge denied a motion to block the certification, which was brought as part of a lawsuit by Lin Wood, an attorney with the Trump campaign. Rudy Giuliani, the head of Trump’s post-election legal effort, said on Thursday that the Trump campaign planned to file a lawsuit in Georgia on Friday.

Raffensperger’s office did not respond to a request for comment.

The risk-limiting audit shrunk Biden’s lead in the Peach State by 496 votes. Three of the four batches of uncounted votes discovered during the audit contained more votes for Trump than Biden.


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Williams College Mathematician Flags up to 100,000 Ballots in Pennsylvania

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...mpaign=mb-2020-11-21

A professor of mathematics at Williams College, in a sworn affidavit, flagged nearly 100,000 ballots in Pennsylvania after analyzing election data and phone interviews.

Steven Miller, who specializes in analytic number theory and sabermetrics, said that one instance of possible fraud involved potential votes that weren’t counted and another instance involved ballots that may have been requested by a person other than the GOP-registered voter.

“I estimate that the number of ballots that were either requested by someone other than the registered Republican or requested and returned but not counted range from 89,397 to 98,801,” Miller said in the sworn statement (pdf), according to Just The News.

Elaborating, Miller said that “almost surely, the number of ballots requested by someone other than the registered Republican is between 37,001 and 58,914,” and that “almost surely the number of ballots requested by registered Republicans and returned but not counted is in the range from 38,910 to 56,483.”

Pennsylvania’s state data for early and absentee ballot requests showed 165,412 ballots requested in the names of registered GOP voters that were not counted as of Nov. 16, Miller stated.

Data shows Democratic nominee Joe Biden is ahead of President Donald Trump by around 80,000 votes in Pennsylvania.

Federal Election Commission Chairman Trey Trainor, an appointee of Trump, told the news outlet that Miller’s affidavit is evidence of potential voter fraud.

“This data, which is provided by an expert witness, who would be qualified in almost any court in the country, adds to the conclusions that some level of voter fraud took place in this year’s election,” Trainor remarked. “Therefore, the rush to certify results that are this suspicious from places with known election violations would nullify millions of votes that were legally cast by individual voters.”

Miller, who was educated at Yale and Princeton, said he analyzed data from Pennsylvania’s election that was collected by Matt Braynard, who formerly worked for the Trump campaign, and conducted 2,684 voter interviews by a phone bank.

The American Mathematical Society in 2019 said Miller was included in its class of fellows “for contributions to number theory and service to the mathematical community, particularly in support of mentoring undergraduate research.”

Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar’s office has not responded to a request for comment.

Boockvar’s office previously said it has found no evidence of voter fraud or mass irregularities in Pennsylvania, while other secretaries of state in Arizona, Georgia, and Michigan have said the same. Earlier this week, the Department of Homeland Security’s cybersecurity division said the Nov. 3 election was the “most secure” in U.S. history, saying there is “no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.”

Trump’s legal team, however, has said they have found enough evidence to potentially overturn the election.


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I think it’s high time to suggest a complete secure re-vote. 110% transparency. Tell the lying, thieving DemocRATS that if they’re so sure sleepy Joe won so convincingly, they should have no issue with it; hell they should demand it, with all the scrutiny they are under to clear both their names and the integrity of the process. I’ll bet they don’t support the idea.




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Praise God in the highest !!! Excellent news !!! Enjoy and God Bless President Trump and the USA !!!

CIRCUIT COURTS HAVE BEEN REASSIGNED:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/o...rs/112020zr_8o6a.pdf


Chief Justice John Roberts has reassigned the Supreme Court Justices to new Districts. Effective November 20, 2020, ordered pursuant to Title 28, United States Code, Section 42.

To highlight the changes…
GA – Clarence Thomas
MI – Brett M. Kavanaugh
WI – Amy Coney Barrett
PA – Samuel A. Alito


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OBAMA: 'We can always send the Navy SEALs' to remove Trump from White House

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Former President Obama says if President Trump refuses to leave the White House, “we can always send the Navy SEALs” to physically remove him.

Appearing on the late-night talk show "Jimmy Kimmel Live," Obama – who's busy hawking a new book – was asked by Kimmel whether there are any spots in the White House where “someone could hide."

“Well, I think we can always send the Navy SEALS in there to dig him out," Obama said.

But the liberal-leaning host also asked Obama if it is "premature" to call Democrat Joe Biden "Mr. President."

“Do you feel that when you congratulated Biden and Senator Harris that you were premature in doing that?” Kimmel asked.

“No, I thought I was right on time,” Obama said.

The notion that Trump will refuse to leave the White House if he lost the 2020 election was rolled out by liberals early in the campaign.

"Well, I think it is a fair point to raise as to whether or not, if he loses, he’s going to go quietly or not. And we have to be ready for that,” the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton, who ran against Trump that year, said July 5 on “The Daily Show.”

"Whether he knows it yet or not, he will be leaving,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, California Democrat, said July 20. “Just because he might not want to move out of the White House doesn’t mean we won’t have an inauguration ceremony to inaugurate a duly elected president of the United States.”

Also in July, the issue popped up on Capitol Hill.

“Mr. Attorney General,” Rep. Hakeem Jeffries, New York Democrat, asked William Barr in a House hearing, “what will you do if Donald Trump loses the election on Nov. 3 but refuses to leave office on Jan. 20?”

Mr. Barr answered: “If the results are clear, I would leave office.”

The Babylon Bee, a satirical website, recently put out a story with a headline: " 'Trump Might Not Accept The Results Of The 2020 Election,’ Says Movement That Still Hasn’t Accepted Results Of 2016 Election.”

“Leftists are warning that President Donald Trump might not accept the results of the 2020 election,” the website also wrote. “These same leftists have spent the last four years declaring that Trump is not their president, that Hillary Clinton actually won because she won the popular vote, and that Trump only won because of Russian interference.”

In his interview with Kimmel, Obama also praised former President George W. Bush, whom he called a “patriot.”

“When I came in, we were in the middle of a big crisis, the financial crisis. George W. Bush, he and I had obviously big policy differences, but he’s a good man, he’s a patriot,” Obama said. “And he ordered everybody on his team to work seamlessly with us on the transition. Could not have been more gracious. Could not have been more helpful. And that actually helped us be able to get a head start on trying to stem what could have been a great depression instead of a great recession.”


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