It continually amazes me that so many of you, especially those who post several times per page, are so willing to be blown around by chatter. Where are your own convictions and beliefs? Are your own foundations that weak that you are constantly in need of mental and emotional support from anything and anybody? And even when a known liar speaks you have to repeat it and get a consensus that it's a lie?

At the very foundations of this country and the definition of being an American is this apt poem for us today:
"These are the times that try men's souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman."

There have been many long term members here that have repeatedly stated we all need to be strong and courageous. That all of this is just noise.

And yet, many of you keep wringing your hands, keep posting obvious lies and misinformation, keep thinking you are somehow more "in the know" , keep thinking that being a pessimist makes you smarter then everyone else here, keep posting the same thing that has been posted 10 times before because you can't be bothered to read a couple pages before posting.

I know for a fact that no matter what happens, no one can take my American citizenship away from me and even more certainly no one can take away my American spirit. No one.

But you know what can get taken away? This forum. Honestly, I have no idea how Para and the other mods, can deal with it on an everyday basis. They have stated over and over and over that this place is the last corner of the internet that will support Trump and the spirit of America and will maintain positivity because we get enough negative from the outside world. And yet, the same people over and over and over are in here everyday wringing their hands over some dumb tweet, facebook, or any other noise and the sky is falling. Or pontificating that nothing will happen with any investigation, or that such and such is a lost cause. Or are so inconvenienced by all of this.

So quit turning Sig Forum into freaking Facebook, twitter, reddit or any other social media place by bringing that material here, please!!!

In Montana we have a saying don't bring your failed politics here and think it will be different this time. The same can be said for this forum.

My fear is we will wake up one day and this place will not exist because Para and mods will decide, we the members have turned it into the very thing we say we despise and is now just, basic.

Whistleblowers Reveal How Software Manipulates Votes to Change Election Results

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...results_3581769.html

WASHINGTON—Trump campaign lawyer and former federal prosecutor Sidney Powell released an explosive affidavit on Nov. 16, from a whistleblower who purports to have witnessed how election software secretly manipulates votes without leaving a trace.

The whistleblower—whose background is with the Venezuelan military, including the national security guard detail of the Venezuelan president—outlines a conspiracy between Smartmatic software executives, former Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez, and that country’s election officials, to ensure Chavez won reelections and retained power for years. The whistleblower said he was present at multiple meetings.

“I was witness to the creation and operation of a sophisticated electronic voting system that permitted the leaders of the Venezuelan government to manipulate the tabulation of votes for national and local elections and select the winner of those elections in order to gain and maintain their power,” the affidavit states.

“From that point on, Chavez never lost any election. In fact, he was able to ensure wins for himself, his party, Congress persons and mayors from townships.”

According to a U.S. intelligence professional who handled global telecommunications and participated in a previous investigation of the Smartmatic voting software, the software was used—regardless of any upgrade or branding differences—in multiple different voting machine companies during the 2020 election for the president and various down-ballot races.

The whistleblower said the “software and fundamental design of the electronic electoral system and software of Dominion and other election tabulating companies relies upon software that is a descendant of the Smartmatic Electoral Management System.”

“In short, the Smartmatic software is in the DNA of every vote tabulating company’s software and system, “the whistleblower said.

The affidavit states that Dominion is one of three major companies that tabulates votes in the United States.

Powell said in a Nov. 15 interview, “We’re getting ready to overturn election results in multiple states.” She claimed that the U.S. election software switched “millions of votes” from Trump to Biden

The whistleblower said Smartmatic created a system that anonymized the voters’ choices inside the machine and then spat out the desired outcome by the end of the election day. No vote could be traced back to an individual voter.

In the April 2013 Venezuelan election, the affidavit states, the conspirators had to take the internet down for two hours to reset the machines, as Nicolás Maduro was losing by too many votes to Henrique Capriles Radonski.

The whistleblower said Chavez eventually exported the software to Bolivia, Nicaragua, Argentina, Ecuador, and Chile.

Inside the United States

A second whistleblower, who came forward to The Epoch Times on Nov. 15, explained more about how the voter machine software works in the United States and how it can be programmed to predetermine the outcome.

Tore Maras said she’s a private contractor who worked for a conglomerate of private companies that were all created under the purview of former CIA Director John Brennan.

Maras alleges that the voting machine software used in U.S. elections was developed by one of Brennan’s companies, and allows “full control of the electoral process.” Her role during the 2012 federal election was to ensure evidence of vote manipulation had been erased after the vote tallies were complete at the end of the night.

She said the type of voter machine is irrelevant as they all carry the same software that can be tapped into, and an algorithm sets the results. As a paper ballot is fed through the machine, the information goes into an area called a trapdoor, which is where the manipulation occurs. Only with a master key can the trapdoor be seen.

The trapdoor is ostensibly set up, Maras explained, to preserve voter anonymity.

The machines are programmed to feed out a vote tally report at set times or as a certain number of votes is reached. For example, after every 500 votes, or 30 minutes, the results will leave the trapdoor and be sent to election-reporting company Scytl, and then The Associated Press.

Maras said the algorithms are set to match the expected turnout and voter outcome in the county each machine is in. In battleground counties, for example, it could be preset that Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden would receive 50.9 percent of the overall votes, Trump would receive 48.1 percent, and a third candidate, 1 percent.

“They make it a little bit more believable, like there’s a race. They input it, and then as the people vote, the algorithm regulates that,” she said. “We don’t care if you voted for Mickey Mouse, the software is going to tell you what you voted for. You’re never voting.”

Maras predicts that Trump won in 2016 because the turnout for him exceeded the expected amount, which the software had been capped at. She alleges that, because of 2016, a turnout cap wasn’t likely set in 2020, and again, when Trump voters exceeded predicted numbers, some states stopped counting in the middle of the night and waited for more Biden ballots to be shipped in, to cover a possible recount scenario.

Maras said the software has been used in many countries including Ukraine—”that’s how we helped usher in their elections”—as well as Iraq, Afghanistan, Macedonia, Albania, Germany, the UK, and Greece.

A Dominion Voting Systems spokesperson said on Nov. 12 that the company “categorically denies any claims about any vote switching or alleged software issues with our voting systems.”

“Our systems continue to reliably and accurately count ballots, and state and local election authorities have publicly confirmed the integrity of the process,” the spokesperson said in a statement to the Denver Post.

quote:

Originally posted by 12131:
Who is "they"? What's the source? Where is the link? Come on, guys.

Rep. Louie Gohmert, on OANN.
It was posted on Parler.

Looking for the video, if I can find it I will post it.
Seems like the Parler post I grabbed the screen shot from was deleted.
However, I found it in a different post on Parler.

Link to OANN video on Parler.

Link to Parley

quote:

Originally posted by kimber1911:

quote:

Originally posted by 12131:
Who is "they"? What's the source? Where is the link? Come on, guys.

Rep. Louie Gohmert, on OANN.
It was posted on Parler.

Looking for the video, if I can find it I will post it.

Is it one of these?

https://www.oann.com/rep-gohme...ove-president-trump/

https://www.oann.com/rep-gohme...ok-like-childs-play/

Great Watters video. Thank you.

quote:

Originally posted by roberth:
https://www.oann.com/rep-gohme...ove-president-trump/

https://www.oann.com/rep-gohme...ok-like-childs-play/

You're linking videos from 10/10 and 10/11/20.

Smartmatic Election Management Software? Wow, they weren't kidding when they named it were they? We don't count votes in the precinct, we...manage them.

quote:

Originally posted by kimber1911:
This is what they are saying the server in Germany was showing.

Validity is suspect.

"Suspect?" Yeah, just a little <smh>

Y'know, yeah, sometimes truth is stranger than fiction, and I suppose anything's possible. But this seems about as likely as me finding out tomorrow I'm a direct descendent of the Queen of England and next in line for the throne.

I'd sure like to be wrong, but the more I see of this "German server" story the less likely it seems.

quote:

Originally posted by ensigmatic:

"Suspect?" Yeah, just a little <smh>...

California has been cheating the hell out of their votes for a long time. The voter enthusiasm for Trump combined with the the complete lack of excitement for Briben may have been enough to turn the raw vote this time. I know it is a stretch, but it is possible.



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At this point I think anything is possible.

What I don’t believe is that this is their first time cheating.

quote:

Originally posted by kimber1911:
At this point I think anything is possible.

What I don’t believe is that this is their first time cheating.

Yes, I guess anything is possible, but what I don't understand is California, Oregon and Washington all declaring Biden a winner just as their polls closed, and only 28% of votes having been counted.

quote:

Originally posted by kimber1911:
...What I don’t believe is that this is their first time cheating.

The Dems have developed this into an art form over many decades.



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Trump won. He’s not going anywhere.

quote:

Originally posted by RAMIUS:
Trump won. He’s not going anywhere.

Ain't that the truth...

quote:

Originally posted by wcb6092:

Worth the 30 minutes to listen to it. For him to use that language about the Gov and SS says something. Will the GA legislature ratify if the Gov won't call a special session like they are asking?

This could be big in AZ.

Skip to 2:54:00 of the Charlie Kirk Show.

Gives a great update on AZ and what is going on (or not going on). Sounds like a great case for a lawsuit, but the campaign's lawyers are tied up other places. Glad the guy in the Dodgers hat is on it.

He said they have a 4 to 1 majority on the county board of supervisors in Maricopa. State law requires a 2% recount by hand, but they could demand a full hand recount. He said people need to contact them.

I'm posting a link because it will only play on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...feature=emb_err_woyt

quote:

Originally posted by GWbiker:

quote:

Originally posted by kimber1911:
At this point I think anything is possible.

What I don’t believe is that this is their first time cheating.

Yes, I guess anything is possible, but what I don't understand is California, Oregon and Washington all declaring Biden a winner just as their polls closed, and only 28% of votes having been counted.

The states didn't declare him the winner at that point, the media did. The same way they call any other state before all of the votes are cast. Based on projections, statistics, etc...etc... NYT had all 3 called with 0% votes counted on their website. That's not a conspiracy, that's just betting the sure thing and being right. No way a Republican wins any of those states, those 3 they don't have to cheat to win.

quote:

Originally posted by kimber1911:
This is what they are saying the server in Germany was showing.

Validity is suspect.
However, I think it is likely more believable than what the mainstream media is reporting as results.

. That kind of stuff diminishes any coherent points going forward.

https://justthenews.com/politi...ction-observers-data

Trump legal team zeroes in on expulsion of election observers, data irregularities

By John Solomon

Updated: November 16, 2020 - 11:24pm

President Trump's campaign legal team has beefed up with several senior lawyers as it prepares to challenge hundreds of thousands of votes cast in Democratic stronghold cities like Detroit and Philadelphia without required GOP observers, arguing the expulsions created disparate treatment or unequal protection of voters in violation of the Constitution.

The team led by former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and longtime Trump private lawyer Jay Sekulow has been expanded to include former Justice Department officials Victoria Toensing and Sidney Powell, former U.S. Attorney Joseph diGenova and trusted campaign lawyer Jenna Ellis.

Paul Clement, a George W. Bush administration solicitor general with a strong record of arguing in front of the Supreme Court, would likely argue any cases that reached the nine justices, officials told Just the News.

The lawyers are prepared to argue that votes that were counted on election night and the day after without GOP observers present in Democrat-led cities should be thrown out because they were tainted by a process that was left open to fraud and abuse and illegally treated voters differently in various jurisdictions. The Trump campaign lawyers have identified 680,000-plus votes in Pennsylvania and about 250,000 in Michigan they believe fall into the category.

To augment the case, the lawyers are securing affidavits and declarations from citizens who allege:

* they went to the polls to vote and were told they had already voted when they had not cast ballots

* they are listed as voting in a state where they did not cast ballots

* they witnessed fraudulent or improper vote counting activities as observers or election officials

* extreme statistical anomalies uncovered in a handful of battleground states' vote totals are prima facie proof of fraudulent or untoward vote collection and counting activities

The request to discount large numbers of votes is a high legal and political hurdle to surmount, but it is not without precedent. In the last year, North Carolina threw out an entire special congressional election in its 9th District after evidence emerged that mail-in ballots were tainted by a ballot harvesting scheme tied to a GOP operative. And in New Jersey, a state judge earlier this year ordered new municipal election in Patterson, N.J., after evidence of ballot fraud emerged.

Both cases involve mail-in ballots, which are at the heart of the Trump campaign's arguments that rule changes by state officials — not approved by their legislatures as required by the Constitution — coupled with the exclusion of bipartisan vote count observers created election irregularities in parts of Michigan, Pennsylvania and other states that violate the equal protection clause of the Constitution.

"The President's election integrity efforts have always focused on guaranteeing that every legal vote is counted fairly, accurately, and according to the law. This is what our system requires and demands. The campaign has passionately advocated for his re-election and over 73 million Americans agreed the President deserves a second term. The litigation, however, is not a political endeavor; it is a legal one," Ellis told Just the News.

"President Trump is fighting to ensure that the people can have confidence in the legitimacy of the results for this election and every election in the future. Led by Mayor Giuliani, our legal team is aggressively pursuing the best legal remedies to stop the coordinated, systematic, pervasive irregularities, fraud, and outright disregard for the law that hijacked the 2020 election. Our U.S. Constitution contemplates that our election system may be attacked through corruption and our founders provided the remedies to safeguard our free and fair elections through our Electoral College system. The President will fight to preserve and protect our constitutional republic and our great nation."

Alan Dershowitz, the famed Harvard law professor and successful appellate lawyer, told Just the News that the Trump campaign's strategy appears aimed at throwing the results of three battleground states' elections where Biden leads into doubt and forcing the House of Representatives to choose a winner because neither candidate can lawfully claim he has the 270 electoral votes necessary to win.

"Their goal is not to get Trump to 270 or more electoral votes, it's to keep Biden from getting 270 electoral votes and throw the election to the House," he said in an interview Monday evening.

Dershowitz said the Trump team must go beyond sufficient legal arguments and also provide the courts evidence that the number of votes cast into question is enough to have swung each challenged state's election.

He also sharply criticized news media and Democrats for attacking Trump's lawyers for waging the court cases. Some activists have even doxed certain lawyers, outing their contacts and addresses. "It's abhorrent that his lawyers are being attacked," he said. "The lawyers are doing exactly what lawyers are supposed to do."