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Originally posted by GWbiker:

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
At this point I think anything is possible.

What I don’t believe is that this is their first time cheating.

Yes, I guess anything is possible, but what I don't understand is California, Oregon and Washington all declaring Biden a winner just as their polls closed, and only 28% of votes having been counted.

The states didn't declare him the winner at that point, the media did. The same way they call any other state before all of the votes are cast. Based on projections, statistics, etc...etc... NYT had all 3 called with 0% votes counted on their website. That's not a conspiracy, that's just betting the sure thing and being right. No way a Republican wins any of those states, those 3 they don't have to cheat to win.

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
This is what they are saying the server in Germany was showing.

Validity is suspect.
However, I think it is likely more believable than what the mainstream media is reporting as results.

. That kind of stuff diminishes any coherent points going forward.

https://justthenews.com/politi...ction-observers-data

Trump legal team zeroes in on expulsion of election observers, data irregularities

By John Solomon

Updated: November 16, 2020 - 11:24pm

President Trump's campaign legal team has beefed up with several senior lawyers as it prepares to challenge hundreds of thousands of votes cast in Democratic stronghold cities like Detroit and Philadelphia without required GOP observers, arguing the expulsions created disparate treatment or unequal protection of voters in violation of the Constitution.

The team led by former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and longtime Trump private lawyer Jay Sekulow has been expanded to include former Justice Department officials Victoria Toensing and Sidney Powell, former U.S. Attorney Joseph diGenova and trusted campaign lawyer Jenna Ellis.

Paul Clement, a George W. Bush administration solicitor general with a strong record of arguing in front of the Supreme Court, would likely argue any cases that reached the nine justices, officials told Just the News.

The lawyers are prepared to argue that votes that were counted on election night and the day after without GOP observers present in Democrat-led cities should be thrown out because they were tainted by a process that was left open to fraud and abuse and illegally treated voters differently in various jurisdictions. The Trump campaign lawyers have identified 680,000-plus votes in Pennsylvania and about 250,000 in Michigan they believe fall into the category.

To augment the case, the lawyers are securing affidavits and declarations from citizens who allege:

* they went to the polls to vote and were told they had already voted when they had not cast ballots

* they are listed as voting in a state where they did not cast ballots

* they witnessed fraudulent or improper vote counting activities as observers or election officials

* extreme statistical anomalies uncovered in a handful of battleground states' vote totals are prima facie proof of fraudulent or untoward vote collection and counting activities

The request to discount large numbers of votes is a high legal and political hurdle to surmount, but it is not without precedent. In the last year, North Carolina threw out an entire special congressional election in its 9th District after evidence emerged that mail-in ballots were tainted by a ballot harvesting scheme tied to a GOP operative. And in New Jersey, a state judge earlier this year ordered new municipal election in Patterson, N.J., after evidence of ballot fraud emerged.

Both cases involve mail-in ballots, which are at the heart of the Trump campaign's arguments that rule changes by state officials — not approved by their legislatures as required by the Constitution — coupled with the exclusion of bipartisan vote count observers created election irregularities in parts of Michigan, Pennsylvania and other states that violate the equal protection clause of the Constitution.

"The President's election integrity efforts have always focused on guaranteeing that every legal vote is counted fairly, accurately, and according to the law. This is what our system requires and demands. The campaign has passionately advocated for his re-election and over 73 million Americans agreed the President deserves a second term. The litigation, however, is not a political endeavor; it is a legal one," Ellis told Just the News.

"President Trump is fighting to ensure that the people can have confidence in the legitimacy of the results for this election and every election in the future. Led by Mayor Giuliani, our legal team is aggressively pursuing the best legal remedies to stop the coordinated, systematic, pervasive irregularities, fraud, and outright disregard for the law that hijacked the 2020 election. Our U.S. Constitution contemplates that our election system may be attacked through corruption and our founders provided the remedies to safeguard our free and fair elections through our Electoral College system. The President will fight to preserve and protect our constitutional republic and our great nation."

Alan Dershowitz, the famed Harvard law professor and successful appellate lawyer, told Just the News that the Trump campaign's strategy appears aimed at throwing the results of three battleground states' elections where Biden leads into doubt and forcing the House of Representatives to choose a winner because neither candidate can lawfully claim he has the 270 electoral votes necessary to win.

"Their goal is not to get Trump to 270 or more electoral votes, it's to keep Biden from getting 270 electoral votes and throw the election to the House," he said in an interview Monday evening.

Dershowitz said the Trump team must go beyond sufficient legal arguments and also provide the courts evidence that the number of votes cast into question is enough to have swung each challenged state's election.

He also sharply criticized news media and Democrats for attacking Trump's lawyers for waging the court cases. Some activists have even doxed certain lawyers, outing their contacts and addresses. "It's abhorrent that his lawyers are being attacked," he said. "The lawyers are doing exactly what lawyers are supposed to do."

Tuesday, December 8: This is the date by which all conflicts—including court cases and recounts—must be resolved.
... at least according to the electoral timeline found at this left leaning link ... https://www.fastcompany.com/90...lege-vote-approaches

Here we are exactly two weeks after the November 3rd vote and I don't see any change in President Trumps favor. It angers me that so many states are satisfied with the so called election results when whistleblowers have stepped forward and serious concerns have been raised about vote and vote count integrity. Even those states that are doing or will do a recount appear to be simply recounting the same votes by and large, including illegitimate as well as legitimate votes. I've seen no state report there is a mass push to screen ballots already cast for legitimacy.

In the case of whistleblowers who have stepped forward, they mostly shine light on procedures that weren't followed or dem bias that was encouraged. While that is not in line with election rules and laws nor ethical, I don't see how that would affect the count of legally cast votes even if those votes were bias influenced. They're still a legal vote ... and count. What recourse is there at this point? I don't think any court will force a state to start all over again.

I'm angry and disappointed that Republicans in congress didn't hammer the bidens when concerns were raised about financial integrity and influence peddling. Were the shoe on the other foot, the dems sure as hell would have been all over it just as they have been after President Trump at every turn for last four years with nothing more than fake and false accusations. I'm angry, disappointed and tired of the way politics is going in my country right now. Why so many Americans want to empower those who are corrupt, lawless, without scrouples and who cheat and lie, boggles my mind. I can't even put it into words.

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Trump legal team zeroes in on expulsion of election observers, data irregularities

This, does not a Kraken make. Far from it. But is probably what it boils down to. John Solomon's web site is one of the few reporting blogs that I trust to put the unvarnished boring truth out there. If this is Sidney Powell's Kraken she has disappointed. Imo the way the deck is stacked a Kraken is what is going to be required.

Dominion Part of Council That Disputed Election Integrity Concerns in DHS Statement

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...mpaign=mb-2020-11-17

After allegations emerged that called into questioned the integrity of voting machines produced by Dominion Voting Systems, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA)—part of the Department of Homeland Security—issued a statement on Nov. 12 disputing the allegations, saying “the November 3rd election was the most secure in American history.”

What the agency failed to disclose, however, is that Dominion Voting Systems is a member of CISA’s Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council, one of two entities that authored the statement put out by CISA.
Epoch Times Photo
A screenshot taken on Nov. 16, 2020, of the Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency website shows the members of the Sector Coordinating Council. (Screenshot/The Epoch Times)

In addition, Smartmatic, a separate voting machine company that has been the subject of additional concerns, is also a member.

The agency did not immediately respond to a request for comment on whether Dominion and Smartmatic had input or were otherwise involved in CISA’s Nov. 12 statement.

The joint statement on the integrity of the Nov. 3 election was issued by the Executive Committee of the Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC), an Executive Committee representing a coalition of certain state & local government officials and government agencies, and the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council (SCC), a coalition primarily composed of voting system manufacturers that also includes Democracy Works, an organization which promotes the use of technology to increase voter participation.

The statement claims, “There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.”

“While we know there are many unfounded claims and opportunities for misinformation about the process of our elections, we can assure you we have the utmost confidence in the security and integrity of our elections, and you should too,” says the statement.

Some of the allegations surrounding the integrity of the presidential election, including by President Donald Trump’s legal team, have been focused on the voting systems provided by Dominion, and to a lesser extent, Smartmatic. Both Dominion and Smartmatic have dismissed concerns over their systems.

Both companies are listed as members of CISA’s Sector Coordinating Council and appear to be actively involved as they are named as “Organizing Members” of the SCC. Among the key objectives of the SCC is to “serve as the primary liaison between the election subsector and federal, state, and local agencies, including the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), concerning private election subsector security and emergency preparedness issues.”

The Charter states the primary mission of the Council is to “advance the physical security, cyber security, and emergency preparedness of the nation’s election infrastructure, in accordance with existing U.S. law. This mission will be accomplished through voluntary actions of the infrastructure owners and operators represented in the Council.”
CISA’s Reliance on Commercial Vendors

CISA says that it “works to ensure the physical security and cybersecurity of the systems and assets that supports the Nation’s elections,” including voter registration databases, IT infrastructure and systems to manage elections (including counting, auditing, and validating election results), voting systems, storage facilities for voting system infrastructure, and polling places including early voting locations.

In effect, CISA appears to act as something of an interface between commercial vendors and state & local governments.

“CISA is committed to working collaboratively with those on the front lines of elections—state and local governments, election officials, federal partners, and vendors—to manage risks to the Nation’s election infrastructure,” the agency states on its website.

As CISA notes, they do not have direct oversight or responsibility for the administration of our nation’s elections as that responsibility lies with state and local governments.

“Ultimate responsibility for administering the Nation’s elections rests with state and local governments, CISA offers a variety of free services to help states ensure both the physical security and cybersecurity of their elections infrastructure,” the agency writes on its website.
Dominion Using CISA to Deny Allegations

On Nov. 12, this publication published an article detailing a number of concerns raised about the integrity of Dominion Voting Systems in a sworn Aug. 24 declaration from Harri Hursti, a poll watcher and acknowledged expert on electronic voting security.

Hursti’s observations were made during the June 9 statewide primary election in Georgia and the runoff elections on Aug. 11, 2020, and centered primarily, although not exclusively, around the Dominion systems and equipment.

Hursti summarized his findings as follows:

“The scanner and tabulation software settings being employed to determine which votes to count on hand marked paper ballots are likely causing clearly intentioned votes not to be counted”
“The voting system is being operated in Fulton County in a manner that escalates the security risk to an extreme level.”
“Voters are not reviewing their BMD [Ballot Marking Devices] printed ballots, which causes BMD generated results to be un-auditable due to the untrustworthy audit trail.”

As part of the article, we reached out to Dominion Voting Systems for comment on Nov. 11 about the allegations contained in Hursti’s sworn statement, to which the company did not respond. Our article was published on the morning of Nov. 12. That afternoon CISA published its statement denying any problems with the voting systems.

The next day, Nov. 13, Dominion sent us an email titled “SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT: FACTS & RUMORS,” which cited the joint statement published by the GCC and SCC, of which Dominion is an organizing member.



Nowhere in its email did Dominion disclose that it had any affiliation with CISA, or was an active member of the SCC, one of the issuing councils. The email itself referenced the statement in third-party fashion:

“According to a Joint Statement by the federal government agency that oversees U.S. election security, the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity, & Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA): ‘There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.’ The government & private sector councils that support this mission called the 2020 election ‘the most secure in American history.’”

CISA did not respond to a request for comment by The Epoch Times about whether it has investigated the claims made in the Georgia lawsuit about Dominion.
Concerns Raised in Georgia Lawsuit

While it remains unclear whether CISA and the GCC/SCC have evaluated concerns raised in the Georgia lawsuit, their public statements categorically deny any problems with the systems.

However, in an Oct. 11 order just weeks prior to the presidential elections, U.S. District Judge Amy Totenberg agreed with the concerns associated with the new Dominion voting system, writing that the case presented “serious system security vulnerability and operational issues that may place Plaintiffs and other voters at risk of deprivation of their fundamental right to cast an effective vote that is accurately counted.”

Despite the court’s misgivings, Totenberg ruled against replacing the Dominion system right before the presidential election, noting that “Implementation of such a sudden systemic change under these circumstances cannot but cause voter confusion and some real measure of electoral disruption.”

Given the recent timing of Judge Totenberg’s order, it does not appear that any of these issues were addressed by Dominion, CISC, or any of its affiliated organizations or Councils, despite their later statements claiming there were no such issues.
Support an independent outlet at a time when it's hard to find factual news.

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Originally posted by GWbiker:

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
At this point I think anything is possible.

What I don’t believe is that this is their first time cheating.

Yes, I guess anything is possible, but what I don't understand is California, Oregon and Washington all declaring Biden a winner just as their polls closed, and only 28% of votes having been counted.

It is kalifornistan, after all.

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:

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Trump legal team zeroes in on expulsion of election observers, data irregularities

This, does not a Kraken make. Far from it. But is probably what it boils down to. John Solomon's web site is one of the few reporting blogs that I trust to put the unvarnished boring truth out there. If this is Sidney Powell's Kraken she has disappointed. Imo the way the deck is stacked a Kraken is what is going to be required.

This is a two-front war because the fraud occurred BOTH locally, as conventional old-fashioned, late night ballot box stuffing
AND possibly electronically through Dominion/Smartmatic. That lawsuit has yet to be filed.

But I agree: Need more Kraken!

IMO they probably had the electronic cheating through Dominion/Smartmatic pre-set at a specific level and at the last minute they realized that they needed more... and that's when they shut down the counting in the 4 cities.

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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:

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Originally posted by GWbiker:

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
At this point I think anything is possible.

What I don’t believe is that this is their first time cheating.

Yes, I guess anything is possible, but what I don't understand is California, Oregon and Washington all declaring Biden a winner just as their polls closed, and only 28% of votes having been counted.

It is kalifornistan, after all.

I honestly did not have a problem with them calling Cali so soon. It's a typical dem stronghold, and even the most optimistic people would have a hard time believing Cali could turn red (though, if one were to take out the cheating and illegal alien vote, I would bet good money it was a lot closer this year than any election since Reagan). Calling Cali for buyden was a safe bet.

What bothered me was the msm 'giving' Virginia to buyden with less than 1% of the vote counted. Early on election night, the msm did their best to ensure that President Trump NEVER led buyden in the EC count. That is why they took so long to call Florida - had they called it when it was obvious to EVERYONE President Trump would carry that state, it would have put President Trump in the lead for the EC. The msm would not allow this.

By the time the west coast came up, it was a foregone conclusion that they would count those for buyden as soon as possible in order to push him towards 270 and make President Trump look even further behind.

I am not saying it was the right thing to do. But, it was inevitable.

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Originally posted by 12131:
https://justthenews.com/politi...ction-observers-data

Dershowitz said the Trump team must go beyond sufficient legal arguments and also provide the courts evidence that the number of votes cast into question is enough to have swung each challenged state's election.

From where are you all drawing your optimism on this point specifically? Is it from what has already been disclosed or the hope of what will be disclosed?

Dominion confirms Clinton Foundation donation, Pelosi staffer tie but disputes other claims

Dominion Voting Systems is rebutting assorted claims of partisan bias and voting manipulation in the 2020 election, including rumors of a secret U.S. military raid on purported servers in Germany and ownership interests and other influence in the firm by prominent Democratic families.

https://justthenews.com/politi..._campaign=newsletter

Election tech company Dominion Voting Systems is rebutting assorted claims of partisan bias and voting manipulation in the 2020 election, including rumors of a secret U.S. military raid on purported servers in Germany and ownership interests and other influence in the firm by prominent Democratic families. At the same time, Dominion has confirmed reports it made a donation to the Clinton Foundation and hired a former Nancy Pelosi staffer as a lobbyist.

Dominion has been at the center of a firestorm since Nov. 3, when its election management software, which is widely used across the country, led to an unofficial initial vote count misreporting Joe Biden as beating President Trump in Michigan's Antrim County when, according to election officials, the county clerk neglected to update software used to collect voting data from electronic tabulators.

In a lengthy, wide-ranging series of statements on its homepage, Dominion is rejecting claims made in the media and online by critics skeptical of the presidential results who fear that the firm is biased toward Democrats, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.).

Although Dominion did acknowledge that it made a philanthropic donation to a Clinton Global Initiative meeting in 2014, it also stated that the firm "has no company ownership relationships with any member of the Pelosi family, the Feinstein family, or the Clinton Global Initiative, Smartmatic, Scytl, or any ties to Venezuela."

Dominion also linked to a Nov. 10 Associated Press report downplaying reports of ties between the election technology firm and prominent Democrats. While acknowledging that it is true that former Pelosi Chief of Staff Nadeam Elshami "is part of a lobbying team representing Dominion, according to public disclosures," the AP dismissed any partisan significance in that connection, noting "that team also includes Brian Wild, who counts Republicans such as former House Speaker John Boehner and former Vice President Dick Cheney among his past bosses."

Dominion also swatted down any claims of "raids" on Dominion servers by the U.S. military, saying that the company does not have servers in Germany.

Allegations against the company could escalate, given claims by an attorney on the Trump campaign election integrity legal team that forthcoming evidence shows the presidential vote count was manipulated using technology from Dominion, a claim the firm soundly rejects.

Attorney Sidney Powell alleged in media interviews that Dominion was used to obtain a "rigged" outcome for Biden over Trump.

Appearing Sunday on Sinclair's "America This Week with Eric Bolling," Powell said her team had uncovered "mathematical alterations to the votes."

"It's a feature of the system that was designed with a backdoor, so that people could watch, in real time, and calculate with an algorithm how many votes they needed to change to make the result they wanted to create," Powell told Bolling. "It's incredibly disturbing, and we will hopefully have evidence of it before the end of the week that we can produce publicly."

Powell, who has been lead counsel in more than 500 appeals in the Fifth Circuit, also represented Michael Flynn, Trump's former national security advisor, who won a powerful legal victory earlier this year when the U.S. Justice Department recommended a federal judge reverse Flynn's conviction and drop criminal charges, a stunning reversal in a case that became a powerful symbol of FBI misconduct in the Russia investigation. The government said revelations from evidence withheld from the court for years warranted the dramatic recommendation.

In its statements on its homepage, Dominion rejected the substance of Powell's claims without naming her.

"Dominion Voting Systems categorically denies false assertions about vote switching issues with our voting systems," the homepage stated. "No credible reports or evidence of any software issues exist. Dominion equipment is used by county and state officials to tabulate ballots. Human errors related to reporting tabulated results have arisen in a few counties, including some using Dominion equipment, but appropriate procedural actions were made by the county to address these errors ... prior to the canvass process."

Democratic leaders of Congress warned last year in a series of letters that election technology companies such as Dominion Voting Systems were "prone to security problems," a result of them having purportedly "long skimped on security in favor of convenience."

The allegations were detailed in a series of letters sent in December 2019 by Democratic Sens. Elizabeth Warren, Ron Wyden and Amy Klobuchar, along with Democratic Rep. Mark Pocan.

Dominion Voting Systems President and CEO John Poulos testified in January of this year about election security issues before the House Administration Committee. "The voting systems that we produce provide high assurance that election outcomes are accurately and reliably tallied," Poulos said in his written testimony. "All Dominion systems fully-support independent, third-party audits, and reviews of election data."

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Dominion CEO Poulos House Testimony Jan. 2020.pdf



Poulos said Dominion has annual, mandatory background checks and cybersecurity awareness training for all employees and has adopted multiple layers of protection "spanning user endpoints, network and systems infrastructure and cloud systems, along with multi-factor 2 authentication. We conduct continuous vulnerability scanning on our company network and utilize third-party services for threat hunting and breach detection."

Poulos also testified that his Dominion staff "actively engage" with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and "other trusted, third-party advisors to enhance and maintain our physical and cyber security posture."

Dominion also works closely with federal, state and local government partners, Poulos testified, to conduct coordinated emergency drills, tabletop exercises and routine information-sharing as a member of the DHS Sector Coordinating Council for Election Infrastructure.

"Through these efforts, Dominion has refined our company's situational awareness and strengthened our procedures for handling incidents and emergencies," Poulos said.

A Homeland Security webpage called "Rumor Control," created by DHS' Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) after the November election, rejected as "rumor" the claim that "a bad actor could change election results without detection."

"The systems and processes used by election officials to tabulate votes and certify official results are protected by various safeguards that help ensure the accuracy of election results," the DHS. These safeguards include measures that help ensure tabulation systems function as intended, protect against malicious software, and enable the identification and correction of any irregularities."

Poulos said Dominion has annual, mandatory background checks and cybersecurity awareness training for all employees and has adopted multiple layers of protection "spanning user endpoints, network and systems infrastructure and cloud systems, along with multi-factor 2 authentication. We conduct continuous vulnerability scanning on our company network and utilize third-party services for threat hunting and breach detection."

Poulos also testified that his Dominion staff "actively engage" with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and "other trusted, third-party advisors to enhance and maintain our physical and cyber security posture."

Dominion also works closely with federal, state and local government partners, Poulos testified, to conduct coordinated emergency drills, tabletop exercises and routine information-sharing as a member of the DHS Sector Coordinating Council for Election Infrastructure.

"Through these efforts, Dominion has refined our company's situational awareness and strengthened our procedures for handling incidents and emergencies," Poulos said.

A Homeland Security webpage called "Rumor Control," created by DHS' Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) after the November election, rejected as "rumor" the claim that "a bad actor could change election results without detection."

"The systems and processes used by election officials to tabulate votes and certify official results are protected by various safeguards that help ensure the accuracy of election results," the DHS. These safeguards include measures that help ensure tabulation systems function as intended, protect against malicious software, and enable the identification and correction of any irregularities."

A joint statement by the federal Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC) that includes CISA stated, "There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised."

I listened to Powell being interviewed by Mark Steyn yesterday on Limbaughs program. When they were discussing Dominion voting machines and Smartmatic software Steyn asked her (this is not verbatim) so what you're asking a judge to do is to give a IT tech of sorts access to the machine and software"? Her response (again not verbatim)"Yes that's exactly what we need but to be honest with you I don't know if that's in any of the lawsuits but it needs to be." Color me confused but this would seem central to Trumps legal defense. but it certainly cuts the legs out from under any sort of raid or seizure of voting tabulators or machines in Germany. The Kraken is looking more like a plate of Kalamari.

Link to Podcast

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"Dominion Voting Systems categorically denies false assertions about vote switching issues with our voting systems," the homepage stated. " No credible reports or evidence of any software issues exist ...."

Whenever anyone qualifies his denial with this, his assertions immediately become suspect to me.

^^^ And the people of Venezuela love what they have???

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
I listened to Powell being interviewed by Mark Steyn yesterday on Limbaughs program. When they were discussing Dominion voting machines and Smartmatic software Steyn asked her (this is not verbatim) so what you're asking a judge to do is to give a IT tech of sorts access to the machine and software"? Her response (again not verbatim)"Yes that's exactly what we need but to be honest with you I don't know if that's in any of the lawsuits but it needs to be." Color me confused but this would seem central to Trumps legal defense. but it certainly cuts the legs out from under any sort of raid or seizure of voting tabulators or machines in Germany. The Kraken is looking more like a plate of Kalamari.

Link to Podcast

Man, you desperately want her to be wrong, don’t you? You are so obsessed with the whole Kracken thing.

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
The Kraken is looking more like a plate of Kalamari.

Whether you're right or wrong: That's pretty funny

(Hoping you're wrong.)

None of this should be difficult. Take an F-ing machine, tear it apart, and see what it can do. If it has the ability to alter a vote - we nullify the whole shit show and have the states vote. Enough!

When I was younger we had none of this touch screen crap. Why do we need it.

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Originally posted by sigalert:
None of this should be difficult. Take an F-ing machine, tear it apart, and see what it can do.

That's not how it works. It's in software. Particularly for machines connected to the Internet, it would have been trivial to have software in there that could skew the vote, then, once the deed was accomplished, overwrite that software with software that could not. For machines not connected to the 'net: Somebody sneaks a thumb drive in when nobody's looking and does the same.

Re-running the ballots or hand-counting them might not prove this had happened, after the fact, if, as some assert, fake ballots were subsequently comingled with valid ones.

Our politicians, the Democrats, in particular, have taken a once-trustworthy, and vitally important aspect of our democracy, and utterly trashed it.

True. My response could have been more nuanced, but frustration and my tiny phone got the better of me. It’s my understanding that these machines can be networked as well as have votes transferred by usb thumb drives.


It’s incredible.