This is not only illegal, it's wrong- clearly wrong. I hope they sue the shit out of whomever is pulling the strings.

If that nonsense becomes widespread, people will cease to be voluntarily tested.

Not saying that is not true. But hard to believe.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
Rioting or looting? Sure, go right ahead, we won't stop you...

https://abc7.com/health/couple...or-covid-19/6323759/

Kentucky Couple under house arrest after refusal to quarantine for COVID-19

LOUISVILLE, Kentucky -- A Kentucky couple is under house arrest after one of them tested positive for coronavirus and refused to sign self-quarantine papers.

Elizabeth Linscott got tested for COVID-19 because she was planning to go visit her parents.

"My grandparents wanted to see me, too, so, just to make sure that, you know, if I tested negative, that they would be okay, everything would be fine," Linscott said.

After testing positive but without showing any symptoms, Linscott told WAVE-TV the health department contacted her, requesting she sign documents.

"I agreed to comply to call the Health Department if I was to go. I was to call the Health Department if I was to leave my house for any reason," she said.

But, she chose not to sign.

"I had gotten a message from them, a text message that stated, because of your refusal to sign, this is going to be escalated, and law enforcement will be involved," she said.

Later that week, the county sheriff greeted Linscott's husband, Isaiah, at their front door.

"I open up the door, and there's like eight different people, five different cars, and I'm like 'what the heck's going on?' This guy's in a suit with a mask. It's the Health Department guy, and they have three papers for us. For me, her and my daughter," he said.

The couple was ordered to wear ankle monitors. If they travel more than 200 feet, law enforcement will be notified.

"We didn't rob a store. We didn't steal something. We didn't hit and run. We didn't do anything wrong," Linscott said.

The couple said they never denied self-quarantining. They just didn't agree with the wording of the documents.

And, that's exactly what the Director of the Public Health Department told the judge, that I was refusing to self-quarantine because of this, and I'm like, 'that's not the case at all. I never said that,'" she said.

Linscott said even without the ankle monitor, she had planned to be cautious, and if she had needed medical care, she would have let healthcare workers know she was infected with the virus.

It's attorney time folks. The settlement should be enormous.

Drove through the Navajo Nation yesterday from the north (Mexican Hat), down through Kayenta, Monument Valley, Tuba, then picked up 89 down to Cameron. The Big Rez is locked down. There are “shelter in place” rules and a curfew; both are “strictly enforced.” No restaurants are open—-not even the drive thru at fast food restaurants! It’s eerie. Passed by dozens of roadside jewelry tables, none are open. Even the big trading posts are closed. I can’t help but be concerned for those Indians dependent on tourists for spending money, and of course, if the big trading posts like Cameron are closed, even the real artists in jewelry and weaving aren’t making anything. Saw a crude, handmade sign in Monument Valley that said, “Go Home! Stay Home!” Pretty sad

Even with all of the fake 'new cases' reported based on faulty testing... it's possible that the 'peak' even in Florida may have been hit a week ago.

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

A VERY lengthy essay, but WELL worth the read. Dennis Prager had the author on his show today. I will not post the entire essay, as it's quite lengthy...

The COVID Coup
Angelo Codevilla

And how to unlock ourselves.

Panicked by fears manufactured by the ruling class, the American people assented to being put essentially under house arrest until further notice, effectively suspending the habits, preferences, and liberties that had defined our way of life. Most Americans have suffered economic damage. Many who do not enjoy protected status have had careers ended and been reduced to penury. Social strains and suicides multiplied. Forcibly deferring all manner of medical care is sure to impose needless suffering and death. In sum, the lockdowns’ medical and economic dysfunctions make for multiples of the deaths and miseries of the COVID-19 virus itself.

Bad judgments and usurpations—the scam, not the germs—define this disaster’s dimensions. The COVID-19’s devastating effect on the U.S. body politic is analogous to what diseases do to persons whom age (senectus ipsa est morbus) and various debilities and corruptions had already placed on death’s slippery slope.

Outside of the few who have gained (and are still gaining) power and wealth from the panic, Americans are asking what it will take to end this outrage—not to modify it with any “new normal” decided by who knows whom, on who knows what authority. Since no one in authority is leading those who want to end it, Americans also wonder who may lead that cause. What follows suggests answers.

What history will record as the great COVID scam of 2020 is based on 1) a set of untruths and baseless assertions—often outright lies—about the novel coronavirus and its effects; 2) the production and maintenance of physical fear through a near-monopoly of communications to forestall challenges to the U.S.. ruling class, led by the Democratic Party, 3) defaulted opposition on the part of most Republicans, thus confirming their status as the ruling class’s junior partner. No default has been greater than that of America’s Christian churches—supposedly society’s guardians of truth.
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Angelo Codevilla is a Senior Fellow of the Claremont Institute and professor emeritus of International Relations at Boston University.

https://americanmind.org/essays/the-covid-coup/

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
A VERY lengthy essay, but WELL worth the read. Dennis Prager had the author on his show today. I will not post the entire essay, as it's quite lengthy...



Angelo Codevilla is a Senior Fellow of the Claremont Institute and professor emeritus of International Relations at Boston University.

https://americanmind.org/essays/the-covid-coup/

Yes, please take time to read this.

And thanks for posting it, erj_pilot

New York Times article (via the science journal Nature)

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During Coronavirus Lockdowns, Some Doctors Wondered: Where Are the Preemies?

Hospitals in several countries saw dips in premature births, which could be a starting point for future research.

By Elizabeth Preston

July 19, 2020

This spring, as countries around the world told people to stay home to slow the spread of the coronavirus, doctors in neonatal intensive care units were noticing something strange: Premature births were falling, in some cases drastically.

It started with doctors in Ireland and Denmark. Each team, unaware of the other’s work, crunched the numbers from its own region or country and found that during the lockdowns, premature births — especially the earliest, most dangerous cases — had plummeted. When they shared their findings, they heard similar anecdotal reports from other countries.

They don’t know what caused the drop in premature births, and can only speculate as to the factors in lockdown that might have contributed. But further research might help doctors, scientists and parents-to-be understand the causes of premature birth and ways to prevent it, which have been elusive until now. Their studies are not yet peer reviewed, and have been posted only on preprint servers. In some cases the changes amounted to only a few missing babies per hospital. But they represented significant reductions from the norm, and some experts in premature birth think the research is worthy of additional investigation.

“These results are compelling,” said Dr. Denise Jamieson, an obstetrician at Emory University’s School of Medicine in Atlanta.

About one in 10 U.S. babies is born early. Pregnancy usually lasts about 40 weeks, and any delivery before 37 weeks is considered preterm. The costs to children and their families — financially, emotionally and in long-term health effects — can be great. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, babies born premature, especially before 32 weeks, are at higher risk of vision and hearing problems, cerebral palsy and death.

The best way to avoid these costs would be to prevent early births in the first place, said Dr. Roy Philip, a neonatologist at University Maternity Hospital Limerick in Ireland.

Dr. Philip had been vacationing abroad when his country entered lockdown on March 12, and he noticed something unusual when he returned to work in late March. He asked why there had been no orders while he was gone for the breast milk-based fortifier that doctors feed to the hospital’s tiniest preemies. The hospital’s staff said that there had been no need, because none of these babies had been born all month.

Intrigued, Dr. Philip and his colleagues compared the hospital’s births so far in 2020 with births between January and April in every year since 2001 — more than 30,000 in all. They looked at birth weights, a useful proxy for very premature birth.

“Initially I thought, ‘There is some mistake in the numbers,’” Dr. Philip said.

Over the past two decades, babies under 3.3 pounds, classified as very low birth weight, accounted for about eight out of every thousand live births in the hospital, which serves a region of 473,000 people. In 2020, the rate was about a quarter of that. The very tiniest infants, those under 2.2 pounds and considered extremely low birth weight, usually make up three per thousand births. There should have been at least a few born that spring — but there had been none.

The study period went through the end of April. By the end of June, with the national lockdown easing, Dr. Philip said there had still been very few early preemies born in his hospital. In two decades, he said, he had never seen anything like these numbers.

While the Irish team was digging into its data, researchers in Denmark were doing the same thing, driven by curiosity over a “nearly empty” NICU. Dr. Michael Christiansen of the Statens Serum Institut in Copenhagen and his colleagues used newborn screening data to compare births nationwide during the strictest lockdown period, March 12 to April 14, with births during the same period in the previous five years. The data set included more than 31,000 infants.

The researchers found that during the lockdown, the rate of babies born before 28 weeks had dropped by a startling 90 percent.

Anecdotes from doctors at other hospitals around the world suggest the phenomenon may have been widespread, though not universal.

Dr. Belal Alshaikh, a neonatologist at the University of Calgary in Alberta, said premature births across Calgary dropped by nearly half during the lockdown. The change was across the board, though it seemed more pronounced in the earliest babies, he said.

At Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam, the Netherlands, Dr. Irwin Reiss, a neonatologist, saw a smaller drop-off in premature births.

At Mercy Hospital for Women outside Melbourne, Australia, there were so few premature babies that administrators asked Dr. Dan Casalaz, the hospital’s director of pediatrics, to figure out what was going on.

In the United States, Dr. Stephen Patrick, a neonatologist at Vanderbilt Children’s Hospital in Nashville, estimated there were about 20 percent fewer NICU babies at his hospital than usual in March. Although some sick full-term babies would stay in the NICU, Dr. Patrick said preterm babies usually made up most of the patients, and the drop-off seemed to have been driven by missing preemies.

When Dr. Patrick shared his observation on Twitter, some U.S. doctors shared similar stories. Others said their NICUs were as busy as ever. Some groups in other countries have said they didn’t see a change, either.

If lockdowns prevented early births in certain places but not others, that information could help reveal causes of premature birth. The researchers speculated about potential factors.

One could be rest. By staying home, some pregnant women may have experienced less stress from work and commuting, gotten more sleep and received more support from their families, the researchers said.

Women staying at home also could have avoided infections in general, not just the new coronavirus. Some viruses, such as influenza, can raise the odds of premature birth.

Air pollution, which has been linked to some early births, has also dropped during lockdowns as cars stayed off the roads.

Dr. Jamieson said the observations were surprising because she would have expected to see more preterm births during the stress of the pandemic, not less.

“It seems like we have experienced tremendous stress in the U.S. due to Covid,” she said.

But all pregnant women may not have experienced the lockdowns in the same way, she said, as different countries have different social safety nets in general, and the stress of unemployment and financial insecurity may have affected communities unevenly.

Some later premature births also might have been avoided during lockdowns simply because doctors weren’t inducing mothers for reasons like high blood pressure, Dr. Jamieson said. But that wouldn’t explain a change in very early preterm births, as the Danish and Irish authors found.

“The causes of preterm birth have been elusive for decades, and ways to prevent preterm births have been largely unsuccessful,” Dr. Jamieson said. According to the C.D.C., premature births in the United States rose in 2018 for the fourth straight year. White women had about a 9 percent risk of premature birth in 2018, while African-American women’s risk was 14 percent.

If the trends in the data are confirmed, the pandemic and lockdowns could be something like a natural experiment that might help researchers understand why premature birth happens and how to avoid it. Maybe some maternity leave should start before a mother’s due date, for example.

The Danish and Irish researchers have now teamed up and are building an international group of collaborators to study how Covid lockdowns affected early births.

“For years, nothing has advanced in this very important area,” Dr. Christiansen said, “and it seems it took a virus attack to help us get on track.”

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immediate family member is recovering currently

very fit individual (probably top 1%) and is doing well

fortunately seems to have been mild but as others have stated -- the long-term effects aren't well understood

f&%k China

totally unrelated --

does anyone know if the 'spike' in positive tests results include 'double counted' people?

for instance -- to go back to work you have to get tested and come back negative. you have already tested positive... but after a week you go back and get a second test and it comes back 'still' positive. Is that counted in the 'daily' number or is there some mechanism they are counting only 'first time positives'?

the numbers are highly unreliable IMO

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does anyone know if the 'spike' in positive tests results include 'double counted' people?

for instance -- to go back to work you have to get tested and come back negative. you have already tested positive... but after a week you go back and get a second test and it comes back 'still' positive. Is that counted in the 'daily' number or is there some mechanism they are counting only 'first time positives'?


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Not according to our state health officer. I am sure there are mistakes made since we are dealing with people. Frankly, I think there is an underestimate of cases.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

Not according to our state health officer. I am sure there are mistakes made since we are dealing with people. Frankly, I think there is an underestimate of cases.

i totally agree we have always had more infected cases than what shows up 'in the numbers'

my concern is more related to the daily hysteria of 'COVID CASES SPIKING !!!' which I think isn't so

we are just testing WAY more people now -- and possibly even double counting some to claim a 'SPIKE' has occurred

but at this point who knows. its a virus with no vaccine or cure. all we can do at this point is take reasonable precautions.

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You guys need to do yourself a favor and read this essay. It discusses the very topic of "CASES"...

https://americanmind.org/essays/the-covid-coup/

Educate yourselves, people.......

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Originally posted by parabellum:
This is not only illegal, it's wrong- clearly wrong. I hope they sue the shit out of whomever is pulling the strings.

Jefe, If you think that is fucked up, try this one.

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Broward County Orders Wearing of Masks in YOUR HOME, subject to penalties for noncompliance

According to Broward County’s order, Section 4 : “Residential Property Residents. All persons who reside on any residential property, whether single family or multi-family, and irrespective of whether they own or rent the property, must ensure that all persons on the residential property, including guests, comply with all applicable guidelines of any Broward County Emergency Order, including the facial covering requirements. Residents who fail to ensure compliance with all applicable Broward County Emergency Orders by such persons shall be subject to the penalties set forth in Section 8-56 of the Broward County Code of Ordinances, with each person present and in violation of an applicable Emergency Order constituting a separate violation.”

More at link

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:

Angelo Codevilla is a Senior Fellow of the Claremont Institute and professor emeritus of International Relations at Boston University.

https://americanmind.org/essays/the-covid-coup/

Read it. It is long, but read all of it.

That reads like the War and Peace novel.

"Effective July 22: To protect our customers and associates from COVID-19, masks are mandatory in all stores."

My message to Kroger, and you, too, can send them a message from that Contact page in the link above:

Never again will I set foot in any Kroger store. I do hope that the imbeciles in Kroger management who swallowed all the lies and who are foolish enough to treat their customers this way live long enough to see the truth come out about the way this "pandemic" has been used as a political bludgeon, and the truth *will* come out eventually, as it does, always. The only question is how long it takes for the truth to become evident. To be sure, COVID-19 exists, and people have died from it, but America didn't react this way to the pandemic of 2009/2010. Ask yourself why this is so, if you can even muster the courage to be honest about it. Farewell, you virtue-signalling, bed-wetting halfwits. No more. Never again, Kroger. Never again will you see one single cent from me. And you know what you can do with your idiotic masks.

Opinion piece from The Wall Street Journal
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Covid’s Harrowing Complications

By Henry I. Miller

It’s good news that the death rate from Covid-19 has trended dramatically downward since April, even as the number of new cases is surging. But it’s far from the whole story.

Unlike common colds caused by other coronaviruses, Covid-19 is more than a transient, self-limited respiratory infection. There have been numerous reports of nonrespiratory manifestations, including loss of smell or taste, confusion and cognitive impairments, fainting, sudden muscle weakness or paralysis, seizures, ischemic strokes, kidney damage, abnormal blood-coagulation tests, transmission to an unborn child via the placenta, and a severe (though rare) pediatric inflammatory syndrome. Recovery is sometimes incomplete, with some patients experiencing long-term adverse effects that resemble a condition variously known as myalgic encephalomyelitis or chronic fatigue syndrome.

As the name suggests, CFS is group of symptoms that seem to define an illness, even if we don’t know how they’re related or what causes them. Signs and symptoms may include fatigue, loss of memory or concentration, sore throat, swelling of neck or armpit lymph nodes, unexplained muscle or joint pain, headaches, nonrestorative sleep and extreme exhaustion that lasts more than 24 hours after physical exercise or mental stimulation. People with CFS are often incapable of performing ordinary activities and sometimes become completely debilitated, unable to get out of bed. Manifestations of the syndrome can persist for years.

In recent decades, a range of long-term complaints resembling those of chronic fatigue syndrome have followed outbreaks of infectious diseases, including West Nile virus, H1N1 influenza, and Ebola, as well as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, both of which are also caused by coronaviruses. It’s therefore no surprise to see similar complications in Covid-19 patients, though we don’t know their long-term course.

The appearance of serious Covid-19 sequelae has important implications. First, fatalities aside, the increase in cases and the high numbers of hospitalizations in epicenters of infection can’t be dismissed. We still need to suppress and mitigate Covid-19 aggressively. The fewer new cases, the fewer lingering illnesses there will be, with all their attendant misery and expense.

Second, the persistence of debilitating symptoms argues strongly against “human challenge trials” of vaccines, in which the infectious virus is intentionally administered to volunteers, some of whom would receive a trial vaccine while others get a placebo. In the absence of very effective drugs to treat Covid-19, such studies would be unethical.

Finally, we need to anticipate and prepare for a wave of post-Covid illnesses with systematic research to understand better the pathophysiology of both the acute viral infection and its relationship to CFS and other sequelae. The sad truth is that we are still in the early days of this pandemic.

Dr. Miller, a physician and molecular biologist, is a senior fellow at the Pacific Research Institute. He was founding director of the Office of Biotechnology at the FDA.

LINK

quote:

Originally posted by parabellum:
"Effective July 22: To protect our customers and associates from COVID-19, masks are mandatory in all stores."

My message to Kroger, and you, too, can send them a message from that Contact page in the link above:

Never again will I set foot in any Kroger store. I do hope that the imbeciles in Kroger management who swallowed all the lies and who are foolish enough to treat their customers this way live long enough to see the truth come out about the way this "pandemic" has been used as a political bludgeon, and the truth *will* come out eventually, as it does, always. The only question is how long it takes for the truth to become evident. To be sure, COVID-19 exists, and people have died from it, but America didn't react this way to the pandemic of 2009/2010. Ask yourself why this is so, if you can even muster the courage to be honest about it. Farewell, you virtue-signalling, bed-wetting halfwits. No more. Never again, Kroger. Never again will you see one single cent from me. And you know what you can do with your idiotic masks.

I got the same email from Publix:

Masks On, Please
Face coverings are required at all Publix stores beginning July 21 to help limit the spread of COVID-19.

Wow. Sigfreund's post reminds me of the first recorded large-scale outbreak of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome in 1984 at Incline Village, NV (northshore Lake Tahoe). They linked it to the Epstein-Barr virus.

That would truly suck to somehow survive some viscious respiratory disorder, only to find that recovery consists of dealing with some of the over 100 symptoms of CFS, perhaps for years, possibly for the rest of your life.

As some of you know, I've battled CFS since 1976. Doing pretty well currently, but there's some 40 years of my life I'll never get back.