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We won’t reopen schools unless police are defunded
- L.A. Teacher’s Union

Of course what should be defunded is the L.A. Teacher’s Union!

Florida Case Fatality Rate (CFR) average (same day deaths/same day positive cases) last 15 days is 0.72%. On July 15 Florida CFR is 1.12%. You will not hear this in the news.

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Originally posted by feersum dreadnaught:
another thing the media won't tell you...

CFR Case Fatality Rate graph removed ...

I just found out the county school district we live in will be voting Tuesday to push the school opening from August 10 to August 31.

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That is unusual. It is typically some bureaucrat in the school system. Here every district is different. Some are offering online and classroom, split schedules and a hybrid system.

The colleges seem to have their act together, but they are all over the board with options for students.

People are starting to crack. Some busybody went up to a fella in a grocery store and told him to “put on your mask like the rest of us” and got a gun stuck in his face for carrying out his Karen duties.

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Prosecutors: Man told to ‘put on a mask like the rest of us’ pulled gun on Fred Meyer shopper.

TUMWATER, Wash. — Prosecutors in Thurston County say a man who was told to put on a mask inside of a Fred Meyer in Tumwater pulled a gun on a shopper Thursday.
According to prosecutors, the victim told police he was shopping in the produce section when he saw a man not wearing a mask. The victim told police he approached the man and told him to “put a mask on like the rest of us,” prosecutors said.

According to prosecutors, the man said he thought the COVID-19 pandemic was a hoax, explained he wasn’t going to wear a mask and told the victim to get away from him.
After arguing, prosecutors said the man pulled his .22-caliber revolver from its holster, pointed it at the victim’s sternum, said “get the f--- away” and threatened to shoot him.
When police arrived at the store, prosecutors said they told the man they needed to disarm him “for everyone’s safety.”
The man said “no” and police took him to the ground, prosecutors said.
Video sent to KIRO 7 from Bernie Friedman shows the struggle with police:

According to prosecutors, the man then attempted to grab his own gun during the struggle and told police, “You’re not getting my gun.” The man continued to fight and even grabbed at the vest of one of the officers in an attempt to bite him, prosecutors said.
Police twice tried to use a stun gun on the man, but the attempts were unsuccessful. Ultimately, prosecutors said it took five officers to take him into custody.
Prosecutors said police spoke to the man’s mother, who was inside the store, about the arrest. When police told her he pointed a gun at the victim, prosecutors said she replied, “Well he did.”
Prosecutors are requesting second-degree assault, third-degree assault and resisting arrest charges.
The man is scheduled to make a court appearance Friday.

Video of the arrest at the link.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/loc...E5JZGQHOEVM4YPFC5XXU

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
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That is unusual. It is typically some bureaucrat in the school system. Here every district is different. Some are offering online and classroom, split schedules and a hybrid system.

The colleges seem to have their act together, but they are all over the board with options for students.

Oh, we have all those options as well. The Florida Dept. of Education said all districts have to open in August. The district in the county to the north of us pushed their opening date back from the 10th to the 31st. The district in the county two counties south, changed theirs from the 10th to the 19th. I don't know what the districts gain by pushing the openings back.

We're just trying to figure out when to go back to Florida. I'm getting tired of not knowing what the hell is going on.

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I do not blame you. There seems to be no consistent policy in any state. One district here said parents could just do home schooling. It is up to them to develop an appropriate curriculum and do the teaching themselves. General lack of leadership in my opinion.
Even prior to Covid there has been little consistency between county schools, city schools and the private school system. Having children in two systems with different vacation days was difficult.

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One district here said parents could just do home schooling. It is up to them to develop an appropriate curriculum and do the teaching themselves.

So you get to deduct that from the taxes you pay for schools then? Not only that, but you should get a bit more due to the number of those paying who don't have children in school. Maybe just take the school's operating budget, divide that by the number of students, subtract your tax, and collect the remainder.

That's a great idea. I'll even throw in the taxes my parents pay on top of what my wife and I pay for a total of $6,000 in school taxes. The district pays $20,500 per student and I have 3. So, 20,500×3-6,000=61,500-6,000=$55,500. I could hire a full time teacher for that.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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We won’t reopen schools unless police are defunded
- L.A. Teacher’s Union

Of course what should be defunded is the L.A. Teacher’s Union!

Sounds like an invitation for a school shooting in L.A. Who they going to call when it happens? The Ghostbusters?

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Professor Karol Sikora
@ProfKarolSikora
Just read the paper from the Oxford group, it really has significant implications.

It's what I've been saying. T cell immunity means there are far less susceptible people than thought.

It could mean the virus is running out of healthy hosts to infect. It would explain a lot.
3:34 AM · Jul 17, 2020·Twitter Web App

https://twitter.com/ProfKarolS.../1284058889722437632

Democrats are back to politicizing the Wuhan virus

Once the Democrats stopped calling President Trump xenophobic for taking the Wuhan virus seriously and started taking it seriously themselves, they instantly began to weaponize the virus. The first line of weaponization, of course, was to criticize Trump non-stop, even as he did everything that Fauci, their favorite expert, told him to do, and did it well and fast.

The second line of attack was to use the virus to destroy the economy, which had been Trump’s strength for reelection. That’s why the promised two-week shutdown “to bend the curve,” quickly morphed into the seemingly permanent closure of large parts of the economy (even as Democrat governors presided over the slaughter of the elderly).

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Unsurprisingly, now that Americans are being tested, we’re discovering that the Wuhan virus is out there. Lots of people have it. Thankfully, most do not have severe cases.

Even more thankfully, the medical establishment, when it’s not politicized, has learned that the virus can be treated early with hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin (as Trump predicted) and that the overall mortality rate is dropping.

That’s why, despite the media’s constant talk about how Trump is leading the world in killing Americans, America has one of the lowest mortality rates in the First World. If we subtract the elderly people who died due to Democrat governors’ malfeasance, our death rate would be even lower.

All of this poses a problem for Democrats. They need to keep a lid on the economy, and they need to continue convincing Americans that Trump is failing them. The media has, therefore, turned a gimlet eye on increased case numbers in Republican states. There is a problem with this approach.

There’s increasing evidence that the number of both diagnosed cases and deaths is highly inaccurate. Fox 35 in Orlando was the first to figure out that 300 test sites in Florida, a state Democrats are targeting, were reporting 100% positivity rates when the actual rates were, on average, under 10%. Likewise, Texas, another state on the Democrat hit list, removed approximately 3,600 cases from the roles because they were only “probables” and were based on tests with a lower virus sensitivity.

There’s also the problem of false death certificates. Larry O’Connor wrote about his wife’s grandfather, who died of Alzheimer’s, being diagnosed as a Wuhan virus death. And Florida just joined New York in reporting the virus as a cause of death when someone manifestly did not die from it. It’s unclear how widespread this problem is. However, financial incentives tied to high Wuhan case numbers suggest that having federal money doled out to cash-strapped hospitals might motivate some people to massage numbers.

Democrats are also pushing hard to put a mask on every American face. Sen. Dianne Feinstein wants to force states to mandate masks by threatening to withhold federal funds. The Democrat mayor of Atlanta ignored George Governor Brian Kemp’s executive order against mask mandates, forcing him to sue. More governors are mandating masks, and so-called “mask shamers” are on the rise.

https://www.americanthinker.co...the_wuhan_virus.html

Ackks - thanks for that post. Some positive news is always welcome.

One of my wife's friends has it. She's 47, no underlying health problems, and she's not doing well. Prayers, please.

Face Masks Mandated By UK Government Specifically Say They Don't Protect Against COVID-19

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...ect-against-covid-19



The same type of face masks that the UK government is mandating people wear in shops from July 24 onwards to protect against the spread of coronavirus specifically state on their packaging that they don’t protect against coronavirus.

Earlier this week, the government confirmed that anyone caught not wearing a mask when entering a shop or supermarket will be subject to a police fine of £100, prompting the Chair of the London Metropolitan Police Foundation to complain that this would be totally unenforcable.

However, the law states that cloth masks, scarves or other textile items that don’t require the use of hands to hold them in place are acceptable forms of protection against COVID-19.

One problem with that, the packaging on these kind of cloth masks specifically states that they don’t protect against COVID-19.

“This product is an ear loop mask. This product is not a respirator and will not provide any protection against COVID-19 (coronavirus) or any other viruses or contaminants,” states the packaging on a standard set of cloth masks currently being sold.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock said mandating the wearing of masks would “give people more confidence to shop safely and enhance protections for those who work in shops,” however many have reacted to the law by asserting that they will simply avoid shops altogether.

Florida Man Who Died In Motorcycle Wreck Labeled As COVID-19 Death By State

We know that coronavirus death counts are being inflated - we just don't know by how much. After all, how could they not be when there is a financial incentive for states and municipalities to report deaths as coronavirus deaths? And for some states, there may even be a political incentive...

Which is why it shouldn't come as a total surprise when a man who suffered a fatal motorcycle accident in Florida last week was added to the state's Covid-19 death count.

Fox 35 did an investigation where they talked to Orange County Health Officer Dr. Raul Pino about two deaths of people in their 20s that were labeled coronavirus deaths. When they asked if the people who died had underlying conditions, Pino responded: “The first one didn’t have any. He died in a motorcycle accident.”

When he was asked about whether or not the motorcycle victim's data was removed from the state's Covid system, he responded:

“I don’t think so. I have to double-check. We were arguing, discussing, or trying to argue with the state. Not because of the numbers -- it’s 100…it doesn’t make any difference if it's 99 -- but the fact that the individual didn’t die from COVID-19…died in the crash. But you could actually argue that it could have been the COVID-19 that caused him to crash. I don’t know the conclusion of that one.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...covid-19-death-state

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There’s also the problem of false death certificates. Larry O’Connor wrote about his wife’s grandfather, who died of Alzheimer’s, being diagnosed as a Wuhan virus death. And Florida just joined New York in reporting the virus as a cause of death when someone manifestly did not die from it. It’s unclear how widespread this problem is. However, financial incentives tied to high Wuhan case numbers suggest that having federal money doled out to cash-strapped hospitals might motivate some people to massage numbers.

My father in law passed a few weeks back after being tested several times (I believe at least 8) over the last 2 months or so of his life, with him getting alternating positive and negative results.

He was hospitalized here in St. Charles and then transferred down to Barnes in the City. The man had several serious health problems, but he ended up aspirating and choking to death. By time they found him in that condition it was too late to save him.

His daughter was already on the way there when this happened, so they cleaned him up and allowed her and her sister in to visit with him a bit. While there they asked her to sign some paperwork. One of them was a form that was an "acknowledgement" that her father died of Covid, and authorizing immediate cremation. He wanted to be buried.

She called me, obviously distraught due to the entire situation, and asked if she should sign it. I was on speaker so the nurses there could hear me. Not only did I tell her not to sign a single thing they had, but that I would call Baue (big local funeral home for those not in our area) and have them dispatch somebody to pick him up immediately. I added that Baue would hold him until we received a death certificate, and if that stated Covid anywhere on it, we would pay for a private autopsy and bring in the lawyers.

All of a sudden the hospital required no signatures, the word Covid was never spoken again, and his death certificate stated aspiration along with his underlying organ failures.

My father in law's story as it relates to Covid proves the misleading numbers at every level. One person accounted for 8 (or more) tests. He accounted for multiple positives and multiple negatives. He was living proof that something was wrong with the testing, meaning that not all positives were positive and/or not all of the negatives were negative. They also attempted to use him as a Covid statistic upon his death.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

Fox 35 did an investigation where they talked to Orange County Health Officer Dr. Raul Pino ...

When he was asked about whether or not the motorcycle victim's data was removed from the state's Covid system, he responded:

“.... But you could actually argue that it could have been the COVID-19 that caused him to crash. I don’t know the conclusion of that one.”

Is this guy simply a stooge, a monumental imbecile, or just an asshole?

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

My father in law's story as it relates to Covid proves the misleading numbers at every level. One person accounted for 8 (or more) tests. He accounted for multiple positives and multiple negatives. He was living proof that something was wrong with the testing, meaning that not all positives were positive and/or not all of the negatives were negative. They also attempted to use him as a Covid statistic upon his death.

It's even more insidious than that. I've heard a couple of people recount instances of sitting in a waiting room for a Covid test after filling out the paperwork and then deciding to leave because the wait was too long. A few days later they received notice that they tested positive. Wtf? This is happening more than once and in multiple states.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

My father in law's story as it relates to Covid proves the misleading numbers at every level. One person accounted for 8 (or more) tests. He accounted for multiple positives and multiple negatives. He was living proof that something was wrong with the testing, meaning that not all positives were positive and/or not all of the negatives were negative. They also attempted to use him as a Covid statistic upon his death.

It's even more insidious than that. I've heard a couple of people recount instances of sitting in a waiting room for a Covid test after filling out the paperwork and then deciding to leave because the wait was too long. A few days later they received notice that they tested positive. Wtf? This is happening more than once and in multiple states.

Balze, that story has taken on a life of its own to the point of urban legend status. I am not saying it didn't happen at some point but I have seen the "they got impatient, left before being tested and were later notified it was positive" story recounted on pretty much every platform I regularly visit by folks from all over the country. Its always 3rd hand, never once the actual person who left then got the false results. Apparently this has happened to pretty much everyone's cousin's brother's sister in law.