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Originally posted by Skins2881:

This fails to take into consideration that either subject will be wearing piss filled pants all day rather than changing them to disinfected or one time use pants after each breach of the bladder. Stupidity is washing a condom and reusing it, this is the same thing......


......Prove me wrong.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
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I'm not wearing it to walk or be outside, and definitely not in the car

Only if I'm going into a bank ... (Kentucky is open carry.)!

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Originally posted by gearhounds:

Case in point- I had an armored from a nearby department inspect my P365 to sign off on it for duty carry a little over 2 weeks ago. He “had a cold” he got from another officer there, and was wearing a mask as a precaution. This past Friday I learned his entire office staff tested positive for Covid-19. I appear to have dodged it, which I attribute to the mask.

Or- you have had it, or got it, and are part of the 80+ percent of people who will not show any symptoms- and the mask did not make any difference. Have you been tested?

Glad you're ok.

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Originally posted by Sigolicious:



......Prove me wrong.

I'm not sure what you want me to prove you wrong about.

If some guy in the line behind me is an asymptomatic carrier, I could care less if he reuses the 'pants'. The idea is that the vast majority of the 'piss' is in his pants and I stay dry and go about my day happy as can be.

If he chooses not to wear a mask and coughs on me and I get 500 virus particles in me vs 10,000 because it provides some minimal protection, then my body has more time to make antibodies as it replicates. Let's say 1,000,000 virus particles are needed to have a bad effect (made up numbers).

500, 1,000, 2,000, 4,000, 8,000, 16,000, 32,000, 64,000, 128,000, 256,000, 512,000, 1,028,000.

10,000, 20,000, 40,000, 80,000, 160,000, 320,000, 640,000, 1,280,000.

12 cycles of reproductions vs 8 cycles. You body has more time to fight off illness, and when it does hit the 1m virus load it's barely crossed it vs being 28% over that made up threshold.

I'm not telling you to wear pants/masks, just an illustration of why they are helpful in cutting the spread of diseases. In Asian countries it's normal to wear a mask in public if your sick. The reason for that is to stop spread or lower the amount of people who get sick.

As far as the efficacy of reusing condoms, I can't say how effective it would be, but I'm not going to try it.

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Originally posted by bobtheelf:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
Depends on the mask.

All masks provide a measure of protection. Some better than others.

Right. “A measure” are the key words.

Requiring them for all people is asinine.

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just an illustration of why they are helpful in cutting the spread of diseases. In Asian countries it's normal to wear a mask in public if your sick.

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Right.

So if you're one of the 99% of the people who are not sick AND are NOT coughing and sneezing, what is the bandanna doing exactly? Aside from making you look like an 1800's bank robbery suspect?

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Aside from making you look like an 1800's bank robbery suspect?

It's a virtue-signaling fashion statement!

People don't wear pants because everyone is going around pissing on each other. Absurd. People wear pants in public out of a sense of modesty.

If one really wants to make that ridiculous comparison to men and women wearing pants, people wearing masks is more akin to Muslim women covering their faces in order to conform and appease the sensibilities of their male muslim counterparts.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
If one really wants to make that ridiculous comparison to men and women wearing pants, people wearing masks is more akin to Muslim women covering their faces in order to conform and appease the sensibilities of their male muslim counterparts.

Cool - I think all virtue signaling men should wear burkas.

I'm fine with that. Just take the whole thing off when you get home, that way you guys won't need to strip down, wash you feet, etc.

I mean, if it saves one life, you should do it - just until things "level out" or we "turn the corner".... or maybe you don't care about anyone but yourself.

Sweet, the burka is the new MOPP 4.

Do the burkas come in other colors?? You know Hot Pink or Psychedelic?

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Do the burkas come in other colors?? You know Hot Pink or Psychedelic?

Looks like a great business opportunity for anyone in textiles / clothing or PPE!

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
10 weeks or so into this thing, with our training business shut down for 3 months and maybe more. Our daughter is a physician who studied pandemics in history, and we are taking her advice to self isolate. Grocery store, feed store, hardware store, pharmacy are our limits. My wife and I are high risk and I am not afraid to tell you this thing scares the crap out of me because we seem to be prime target for this virus. We feel pretty safe out here on the ranch, we are going to wait and see a little longer once the restrictions are loosened.

No offense, but that doesn't sound like self-isolation to me.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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just an illustration of why they are helpful in cutting the spread of diseases. In Asian countries it's normal to wear a mask in public if your sick.

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Right.

So if you're one of the 99% of the people who are not sick AND are NOT coughing and sneezing, what is the bandanna doing exactly? Aside from making you look like an 1800's bank robbery suspect?

Last post on this subject, because I am not in the business of advocating for or against using masks and am 100% against government forcing anyone to do so. I don't feel like being the defender of masks.

The concept is that most people do not know they are sick, so if you are unaware you may be infecting others as you go about your normal day. The theory is the masks cut down or eliminate the amount of cooties you spread by stopping the water droplets you expel which carries the virus with every breath, sneeze, or cough. So instead of accidentally infecting many people you infect zero or a few people.

If you need any further help on understanding why masks are used just google it.

I thought the primary function of the women wearing burkas was to make them smell like goats. (If this post is not breaks a rule I will delete asap)

After Treating Barely Any Patients for a Massive $7.5 Million Each, 16 Emergency COVID Hospitals Are Standing Down

At a cost of $7.5 million a patient, they were 16 very expensive field hospitals.

Yet, according to NPR, those hospitals are now “stand[ing] down.”

You probably remember them from headlines early in the pandemic: makeshift medical centers being assembled at breakneck speed by companies contracted by the Army Corps of Engineers in anticipation of dealing with a massive influx of COVID-19 patients in our nation’s emergency rooms.

At SUNY Stony Brook on New York’s Long Island, $155.5 million was spent on a temporary hospital which, according to New York Newsday, saw “five massive field hospital tents” put up. The maximum beds under contract was 1,038.

To the west on Long Island, another $118.5 million was spent putting up another field hospital at SUNY Old Westbury. Neither have yet to see a single patient. Newsday reported the decision was made not to staff or fully equip the sites in mid-April when the predicted need for hospital beds never materialized.

In Denver, a field hospital at the Colorado Convention Center was supposed to have up to 2,000 beds and open in late April. On April 20, The Denver Post reported the facility wouldn’t be ready until May 15 and would have “about 600 beds.” On Thursday, KUSA-TV reported it would open June 4 and hold 200 beds.

Cost: $34.6 million. Patients seen so far: 0.

These were just some of the quick-hospital projects that were arranged for the cost of over $660 million to taxpayers, according to NPR, which analyzed federal spending records. They looked at over 30 projects that received money; 17 of these projects were listed in their report on the program.

One of them, the facility at New York City’s Javits Center, was an outlier. Costing $11.4 million, it cumulatively treated 1,095 patients. This, by the way, was nowhere near its capacity of 1,900 beds.

The other 16 field hospitals, which cost a total of $615 million, treated just 82 patients during the time they were open — the ones that opened at all, that is.

There were a few reasons these field hospitals were so expensive. As per the Army Corps of Engineers’ specifications, they needed to be bid on and built at lightning speed. This meant the bids were restricted and limited to contractors the government believed could deliver on time.

“I tell our guys, you have three weeks,” Lt. Gen. Todd Semonite, commander of the Army Corps of Engineers, said back in March during a Pentagon media briefing.

“You get as much as you can [get] done in three weeks. And then the mission is complete. We have a narrow window of opportunity. If we don’t leverage that window of opportunity, we’re gonna miss it.”

Officials bragged that the contract for the SUNY Stony Brook facility was closed in “little more than three days.” The process usually takes between six and nine months.

“This time savings was critical in order for construction to begin as quickly as possible, supporting the unusual and compelling nature of the urgency of this procurement and the national emergency,” the Army Corps said in a document.

The problem was that the need for these projects were based on models which have been frightfully wrong on a multitude of occasions.

In the case of the University of Washington’s Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation model, the state of New York would need over 50,000 beds on April 1; the actual number was 12,226. While the media was telling us hospitals across America were going to be overrun, this never really happened.

This meant that the majority of the Army Corps hospitals never saw a single patient. Some didn’t even open and many have been told to stand down as the first wave of the crisis abates. Some of them have been closed. Projects were scaled back — like the Colorado Convention Center field hospital, which will have one-tenth of the beds that it was originally supposed to have.

This was seen as a victory for social distancing and state stay-at-home policies; governors were thrilled at this state of affairs.

“All those field hospitals and available beds sit empty today,” Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said last month. “And that’s a very, very good thing.”

“These 1,000-bed alternate care sites are not necessary; they’re not filled. Thank God,” said Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat.

We should be thrilled that we don’t have field hospitals teeming with COVID-19 patients, but there was little criticism from officialdom on a very expensive backstop based on models that didn’t compute.

“It’s so painful because what it’s showing is that the plans we have in place, they don’t work,” Robyn Gershon, professor at New York University’s School of Global Public Health, told NPR. “We have to go back to the drawing board and redo it.”

As well we should. At $7.5 million a patient, these 16 facilities were a failure of planning.

Meanwhile, she believes lives were lost because officials continued telling people not to seek medical attention in order to save resources.

“The mantra was, ‘Don’t come to the hospital, don’t go to the doctor, stay home, stay home till your lips turn blue,'” she said. “Well, we now know that was a crazy set of advice.”

According to Gershon, her cousin stayed at home with COVID-19 until it progressed to its late stages; by the time he died, he was on a ventilator.

As for the fact that the two Long Island field hospitals were completed but never treated any patients: “That’s outrageous,” she said. “That’s completely crazy. I hope they didn’t take them down.”

And, indeed, there may be a second wave that require the use of these field hospitals — but then, models which accurately predicted how the first wave meant could have also meant that we may have saved money by bidding on them in a more deliberate manner and building them at a more reasonable pace.

Even if you take the Javits Center into the equation, this didn’t work out as it was planned. NPR said the intake process at the field hospital there was considered so convoluted that, even though the hospital treated 1,095 patients, it was never near capacity while hospitals throughout the city were overflowing.

“There are a lot of losers in it and not a lot of winners,” said Dario Gonzalez, the New York City Fire Department emergency doctor who helped to lead the response at the Javits Center field hospital.

“It was very disappointing,” he added. “Everybody was here, ready to work, ready to get patients in.”

Even if you take the Javits Center into account in the list of major Army Corps medical centers NPR provided, the cost still comes out to well over $500,000 per patient.

And yes, if need be, at least some of the field hospitals can be reopened quickly.

“We really wanted to make sure that we were maintaining some of the physical infrastructure that has been built there. So that should we need it, it doesn’t take us a long time to potentially turn that back on,” said Allison Arwady, Chicago’s public health commissioner.

Whether or not they ever need to be reopened is a totally different question. Based on what we’ve seen thus far, the answer is likely no.

Given that, this was a waste of resources,

https://www.westernjournal.com...lypm&utm_content=ttp

Well you don't say!

Totally NOT shocked!

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
So if you're one of the 99% of the people who are not sick AND are NOT coughing and sneezing, what is the bandanna doing exactly?

Theoretically it will retard the spread of Wu Flu germs by the 20% (guesstimated) of those infected who are asymptomatic, and by those who've become infected but are not yet symptomatic.

Yeah, the masks are something of a PITA. *shrug* In the greater scheme it's a small thing.

Put into perspective: Will I give up my RKBA to save just one life? Not a chance in hell. Will I wear a mask to save just one life? Damn betcha. The former is giving up a right. The latter is enduring relatively little inconvenience.

I regard as a much bigger concern the fact the curve has been flattened and we have governors refusing to let people off their leashes, people all too willing to comply with the excessive restrictions, and people who are frightened of going back to work.

Time to start reminding people this is "The land of the free and the home of the brave," not "The land of the slave and the home of the cowardly."

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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just an illustration of why they are helpful in cutting the spread of diseases. In Asian countries it's normal to wear a mask in public if your sick.

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Right.

So if you're one of the 99% of the people who are not sick AND are NOT coughing and sneezing, what is the bandanna doing exactly? Aside from making you look like an 1800's bank robbery suspect?

You can be asymptomatic for days and be shedding virus just by breathing.

I'm not for forced government mask wearing, but that's why you should wear one.

The new narrative will be "once we have a vaccine, you can stop wearing the masks".