I still think people should voluntarily wear burkas.

And people should be brave enough wear an easily identifiable emblem if you HAVE the 'Rona, HAD the 'Rona, or are 'Rona Free.

Or just show your papers, please.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Muslim women covering their faces

This is an excellent point to discuss. There are requirements for women to have full face coverings in a lot of muslim countries. How many of those are experiencing less Wu Flu activity because they wear that particular garb? I'm gonna go with None for $200 please Alex. The masks are doing nothing other than providing a sense of security for the scared little sheep.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
The concept is that most people do not know they are sick

That's because they are not. Having zero symptoms means their immune system is doing it's job.



Here is the simplest breakdown I can give everyone.

Those that are wearing masks are introducing their hands (and potential contagions) to areas of their face that are susceptible to receipt of those contagions, whereas I am not because I am smart enough not to rub my hands all over other peoples' filth and then putting my fingers in my mouth or eyes.

Sneezes and coughs this time of year are quite normal and generally allergy related. I am not worried one bit about that because, again, I don't go around finger banging my face after touching stuff that ain't mine. What is having a greater impact on EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS COUNTRY is the amount of debt that our government is racking up, along with the amount of money all of us are losing because we're out of work or worse, out of business.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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just an illustration of why they are helpful in cutting the spread of diseases. In Asian countries it's normal to wear a mask in public if your sick.

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Right.

So if you're one of the 99% of the people who are not sick AND are NOT coughing and sneezing, what is the bandanna doing exactly? Aside from making you look like an 1800's bank robbery suspect?

The problem seems to be that with this disease it appears that 50% or more can be infected and shedding virus without having symptoms. So one could be “infectious” without being “sick”. One presumes that if one is shedding virus, simply exhaling would be enough to “share”. If that’s true, then a mask might limit the distance that the virus particles are spread.

Did you notice all the qualifiers above? It seems like that is an apt metaphor for our “knowledge” about the virus. All kinds of information, much of it contradictory and lots without context, is out there. What of it is true? It certainly can’t all be.

Then, there is completely opposite approach mentioned by at least some doctors (paraphrased, not a direct quote, just quoted to make it clear that I am not stating this as fact): “All this cowering and disinfection is not helping our immune systems. If and when we ever come out of all this, there will be a much bigger problem, due to the virus still being around and most folks immune systems being asleep or on holiday. We’d be better off to get on with it and build up herd immunity.”

Who is right? Who knows?

My mother sent me this she is in her 70s

Thinking we're having it bad? This will put things in
perspective. Will give you something to think about.

It’s a mess out there now. Hard to discern between what’s a real threat and what is just simple panic and hysteria. For a small amount of perspective at this moment, imagine you were born in 1900.

On your 14th birthday, World War I starts, and ends on your 18th birthday. 22 million people perish in that war. Later in the year, a Spanish Flu epidemic hits the planet and runs until your 20th birthday. 50 million people die from it in those two years. Yes, 50 million.

On your 29th birthday, the Great Depression begins. Unemployment hits 25%, the World GDP drops 27%. That runs until you are 33. The country nearly collapses along with the world economy.

When you turn 39, World War II starts. You aren’t even over the hill yet. And don’t try to catch your breath. On your 41st birthday, the United States is fully pulled into WWII. Between your 39th and 45th birthday, 75 million people perish in the war.

Smallpox was epidemic until you were in your 40’s, as it killed 300 million people during your lifetime.

At 50, the Korean War starts. 5 million perish. From your birth, until you are 55 you dealt with the fear of Polio epidemics each summer. You experience friends and family contracting polio and being paralyzed and/or die.

At 55 the Vietnam War begins and doesn’t end for 20 years. 4 million people perish in that conflict. During the Cold War, you lived each day with the fear of nuclear annihilation. On your 62nd birthday you have the Cuban Missile Crisis, a tipping point in the Cold War. Life on our planet, as we know it, almost ended. When you turn 75, the Vietnam War finally ends.

Think of everyone on the planet born in 1900. How did they endure all of that? When you were a kid in 1985 and didn’t think your 85 year old grandparent understood how hard school was. And how mean that kid in your class was. Yet they survived through everything listed above. Perspective is an amazing art. Refined and enlightening as time goes on. Let’s try and keep things in perspective. Your parents and/or grandparents were called to endure all of the above – you are called to stay home and sit on your couch.

Maybe we don't have it that bad?

This too shall pass.

Perspective is meaningful.

( Lived through more than half of it,... maybe that's why I am not panicking.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by bobtheelf:
Why would you be wronged or insulted for wearing a mask if you were sick?

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If you're sick, I hope you either completely isolate until you're no longer sick, or just wear a mask.

When you are sick, can we make you wear a special symbol with your mask? So we can see you are a sick person?

I mean, it's for my safety.

No, it's totally better if you just go around infecting a bunch of other people, because nothing says "don't intrude on my freedom" like intruding on other people's freedom. You don't want other people to harm you, so you risk harming others instead? Is that right?

You know that issue would be entirely mitigated if everyone just wore a mask for a bit, right?

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
or maybe you don't care about anyone but yourself.

That's rich coming from someone who would refuse to wear a mask when sick, thereby risking the health of others for their own feelings.

And the officer with whom I agreed and spoke too much common sense was fired.

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For a small amount of perspective at this moment, imagine you were born in 1900.

My grandmother was born in 1900. Your post reminds me of her. Thanks for the perspective.

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because nothing says "don't intrude on my freedom" like intruding on other people's freedom.

If you stay locked up in your basement, you have nothing to worry about. I can't find the part in the Constitution about needing to wear masks so that a virus that you may or may not have may not be contracted by somebody who may or may not get it.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

If you stay locked up in your basement, you have nothing to worry about. I can't find the part in the Constitution about needing to wear masks so that a virus that you may or may not have may not be contracted by somebody who may or may not get it.

Sometimes you do the right thing simply because it's the right thing to do and it's a good idea, not because someone else thinks you must.

Sometimes it's not a good idea to resist doing the right thing simply because someone else thinks you must.

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Originally posted by bobtheelf:
That's rich coming from someone who would refuse to wear a mask when sick, therefore risking the health of others for their own feelings.

What kind of nanny state crap is this that? The same argument is made by EVERY FUCKING GUN GRABBING WHORE. "my childs safety is more important than yours".....sounds familiar doesn't it? If you think I am killing you or anyone else by not wearing a mask, I have a bridge to sell you.

Side_shot brings up a good point with his post. The difference with everyone born before the Vietnam war (and some others, like myself) is that they know they are mortal and therefore will at some point or another die. It's how you lived that will define you.


It's astounding to me that people would rather live in a society that has no semblance of freedom, food shortages, rampant unemployment, stagnant economy, and perpetual misery instead of MAYBE catching the sniffles and living like we have in decades past.

Here's one that will piss you off...

While the whole thing is a cluster, I really like the part about submitting a request to FEMA to be reimbursed for the expense

LEXINGTON, Ky. (LEX 18) — The field hospital at Nutter Field House, which was going to be used to treat additional COVID-19 patients if needed, will close.

An official at the University of Kentucky tells LEX 18 there should be enough hospital beds reserved if there's an increase in COVID-19 patients.

On Thursday, May 7, LEX 18 learned the cost of the "just-in-case" hospital was $6,722,800, according to the university, after filing an open records request. The field hospital was never used.

UK officials say UK Healthcare covered the bill with no tuition or tax dollars used.

Under the contract, the cost could have gone up by another $1.6 million if the field hospital remained in place past the 30-day window. LEX 18 has been told the university does not have to pay that extra amount after notifying the Emergency Disaster Services the field hospital will close within that timeframe.

The university is currently asking reimbursement from FEMA, which has received the request but made no decision.

We're told the field hospital must be torn down by May 20th. Dismantling of the field hospital could start this week.

https://www.lex18.com/news/lex...-at-uk-official-says

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Originally posted by bobtheelf:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
or maybe you don't care about anyone but yourself.

That's rich coming from someone who would refuse to wear a mask when sick, thereby risking the health of others for their own feelings.

Let me ask you. Have you ever in your entire life walked around with a face covering prior to this current chinese virus?

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
And the officer with whom I agreed and spoke too much common sense was fired.

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That is completely f-ed up. That man did nothing wrong and lost his job over a video. Wow.

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Originally posted by mutedblade:

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Originally posted by bobtheelf:
That's rich coming from someone who would refuse to wear a mask when sick, therefore risking the health of others for their own feelings.

What kind of nanny state crap is this that? The same argument is made by EVERY FUCKING GUN GRABBING WHORE. "my childs safety is more important than yours".....sounds familiar doesn't it? If you think I am killing you or anyone else by not wearing a mask, I have a bridge to sell you.

Side_shot brings up a good point with his post. The difference with everyone born before the Vietnam war (and some others, like myself) is that they know they are mortal and therefore will at some point or another die. It's how you lived that will define you.


It's astounding to me that people would rather live in a society that has no semblance of freedom, food shortages, rampant unemployment, stagnant economy, and perpetual misery instead of MAYBE catching the sniffles and living like we have in decades past.

It's not nanny state crap at all. It's do the right thing because it's the right thing to do, and don't whine about "you only care about yourself" while doing something because you only care about yourself.

It's not about "you're killing me by not wearing a mask". That's hyperbolic nonsense and a straw man unworthy of rational discussion.

Food shortages, rampant unemployment, stagnant economy and perpetual misery is not a side effect of taking reasonable precautions to not infect others when you're sick and wearing the damned mask.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

Let me ask you. Have you ever in your entire life walked around with a face covering prior to this current chinese virus?

No, and I still haven't. But then I'm not sick.

If you're sick, you should do it. If I get sick, I'll do it. Why? Because I don't want to get other people sick, and the mask may help with that.

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Originally posted by bobtheelf:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

Let me ask you. Have you ever in your entire life walked around with a face covering prior to this current chinese virus?

No, and I still haven't. But then I'm not sick.
If you're sick, you should do it. If I get sick, I'll do it. Why? Because I don't want to get other people sick, and the mask may help with that.

So you’ve never been sick?

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by bobtheelf:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

Let me ask you. Have you ever in your entire life walked around with a face covering prior to this current chinese virus?

No, and I still haven't. But then I'm not sick.
If you're sick, you should do it. If I get sick, I'll do it. Why? Because I don't want to get other people sick, and the mask may help with that.

So you’ve never been sick?

Not with a virus with these unique characteristics.

Actually, if I'm sick I won't be going out. That's what I usually do. And guess what? If you don't go out you don't need to wear a mask. Problem solved.

For what it's worth, I've always appreciated how in many countries it's perfectly normal to wear a mask during illness. It's considered respectful of others, and it's probably contributed to the lower impact of this particular virus in those countries.

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Originally posted by bobtheelf:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by bobtheelf:
No, and I still haven't. But then I'm not sick.
If you're sick, you should do it. If I get sick, I'll do it. Why? Because I don't want to get other people sick, and the mask may help with that.

So you’ve never been sick?

Not with a virus with these unique characteristics.
Actually, if I'm sick I won't be going out. That's what I usually do. And guess what? If you don't go out you don't need to wear a mask. Problem solved.

You’ve contradicted yourself based on your post stream which is too long to requote.

And Allan the promiscuous poster is back.