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Those phrases imply that there’s a terrible danger on the loose out there and if you’re caught outside...it’s over you’re dead

You’re all good until drifting into hyperbole. You forgot to include “ It’s just the flu“, “people die in car wrecks “ and similar standards.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
And the officer with whom I agreed and spoke too much common sense was fired.

Saw that one coming. And Seattle - it was a no-brainer. I do highly admire his willingness to stand up for his convictions.

Any SF LEO's that can help w/ a job search for this guy? There has to be one of those 20+ Pro 2A Constitutionalist Sheriffs out in his neck of the woods somewhere. This LEO is a good guy, and needs to be hired by a agency that would REALLY value his Patriotism and dedication to 'Protecting & Defending' the Constitution of the United States!

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Originally posted by mrw:
And then there is this, Study: Masks Fail to Filter Virus in Coughing COVID-19 Patients

The flaw, here, is it hasn't been established SARS-Cov-2 on its own is transmissible by air, or whether the virus hijacks a ride on airborne dust or water droplets. Yes: The former can pass through all but an N95 mask. The latter: Not so much.

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Originally posted by Edmond:
Just canceled my Costco membership. The girl over the phone said I wasn’t the only one.

Presumably because they required you wear a mask in the store?

That seems a bit self-defeating, but to each their own *shrug*

I do find it amusing that some of y'all will cancel your Costco memberships over a mask requirement, but apparently would not over their "no firearms in stores" policy.

I predict many of these Democratic Governors and Mayors will come to regret the heavy hand they have used to rule over the public, come election time.

They are providing a vast array of images which can be used against them during campaign ads.

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
10 weeks or so into this thing, with our training business shut down for 3 months and maybe more. Our daughter is a physician who studied pandemics in history, and we are taking her advice to self isolate. Grocery store, feed store, hardware store, pharmacy are our limits. My wife and I are high risk and I am not afraid to tell you this thing scares the crap out of me because we seem to be prime target for this virus. We feel pretty safe out here on the ranch, we are going to wait and see a little longer once the restrictions are loosened.

No offense, but that doesn't sound like self-isolation to me.

I suppose you are right. We could just stay home all the time with our livestock and dogs and not eat or have our prescriptions, or fix any of the things that break on the ranch on a regular basis. Fortunately all of these places have curbside or drive in services

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I predict many of these Democratic Governors and Mayors will come to regret the heavy hand they have used to rule over the public, come election time.

They are just following the DNC playbook and talking points: ruin the economy to decrease Trump's chances in the election.

On the second point, they will still be in office, they are in true Dimocraptic areas. They end up losing in a primary but then it will be another Dim Asshole getting elected and screwing up in new inventive ways.

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But I agree that for anyone who is interested in information about the disease it’s well worth the read.

Yes continue posting the technical articles- good stuff...

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We could just stay home all the time with our livestock and dogs and not eat or have our prescriptions, or fix any of the things that break on the ranch on a regular basis.

The inability of so many people to be able to put themselves in others’ shoes and understand or even imagine that their situations and the things they must cope with may be different is a never-ending source of amazement to me. It’s something I’ve noted for decades and every now and then I think, “Surely with all the discussion about different topics here, sooner or later that fact will become common knowledge.” But nope.

I’m reminded of a line from Caesar and Cleopatra by George Bernard Shaw:
“Caesar: Pardon him, Theodotus. He is a barbarian and thinks the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature.”

Then there’s the famous, “Let them eat cake,” comment supposedly uttered by Marie Antoinette. She’s often cited as the Grand Champion of utter cluelessness, but some people today could give her a run for the money.

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The inability of so many people to be able to put themselves in others’ shoes and understand or even imagine that their situations and the things they must cope with may be different is a never-ending source of amazement to me.

This concept was impressed upon me when I was 13 and reading 'To Kill a Mockinbird.'

We need a theme song. Just subsitute Corona for Sharona. Should be very popular!

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You know that issue would be entirely mitigated if everyone just wore a mask for a bit, right?

Ya know, I'm beginning to think some folks have completely ignored how man has been able to survive for thousands of years. Several viral specialists have noted the only way to truly curb this virus is through herd immunity. So why is everyone totally out of their minds over low risk category groups (and we know who they are at this point) being exposed to the virus? Other scientists have noted that 70%+ of those in the lower risk categories who are exposed to the virus will be asymptomatic or endure mild flu like symptoms they will recover from with little fanfare. Wearing a designer cloth mask is going to do little to nothing compared to what herd immunity will accomplish with the virus and the economy. In the meantime, state government should be focusing their attention on nursing homes, extended care facilities, and people in high risk categories. The rest of us need to go back to work and back to our lives and stop listening the the continual stream of BS coming from people called 'experts' who have shown us they are not expert at anything.

Mask won't save you

Hiding in your home won't save you

Narc'ing on your neighbors like a little prison snitch bitch might get you a fine ass whippin', though, so, there's that.


Open the country. Open the stores. Open the schools, the government administration buildings, the sport arenas. Come out from under your bed and face the world. If you do that, then we'll be OK.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

Ya know, I'm beginning to think some folks have completely ignored how man has been able to survive for thousands of years. Several viral specialists have noted the only way to truly curb this virus is through herd immunity. So why is everyone totally out of their minds over low risk category groups (and we know who they are at this point) being exposed to the virus? Other scientists have noted that 70%+ of those in the lower risk categories who are exposed to the virus will be asymptomatic or endure mild flu like symptoms they will recover from with little fanfare. Wearing a designer cloth mask is going to do little to nothing compared to what herd immunity will accomplish with the virus and the economy. In the meantime, state government should be focusing their attention on nursing homes, extended care facilities, and people in high risk categories. The rest of us need to go back to work and back to our lives and stop listening the the continual stream of BS coming from people called 'experts' who have shown us they are not expert at anything.

Well, not everyone did survive those thousands of years.

I was talking specifically about the stigma that some people feel are associated with masks, which is really the most ridiculous argument against them that I can imagine.

But that aside, the point is that even the common cold sucks. I'm not worried about me getting sick. I'll probably be fine. I've survived other coronavirus infections, if not this specific one. But even if it's not dangerous or deadly or whatever, I still don't want someone else to catch a cold because of me.

General public out and about in masks? And, even gloves? How baddass!

Ecclesiastes 1:9:

So we are in a screwed up situation in St. Louis County. The Dim County Executive has determined that sex tool shops are essential yet gyms cannot open (more on that later on in this post). We are 8-12 weeks into this and they just decided that masks should be worn on public transport (buses and Metro Link).

Link To St. Louis County Vs House Of Pain story

One of the gyms in St. Louis County, House Of Pain (they have two locations)decided they would follow the Governor's re-open decree and opened. The County ordered them to close. The gym refused (per their lawyers, a guideline is not a legal law) and are fighting the county. Today St. Louis County filed a lawsuit in St. Louis County for the court to order the gym to close and for the gym to give the County a list of everyone of their customers who worked out during this time period, under the guise of "tracking" them. Now House of Pain will probably "lose" in St. Louis County court but will win when it is appealed. I hope they counter sue the shit out of St. Louis County and pad the hell out of the lawyer costs.

So I live in St. Louis County and I am a member of House Of Pain, just haven't had a chance to go workout there yet (also some of my Krav Maga classes are there at the Maryland Heights location). Per St. Louis County, I can't go to the gym, per St. Charles County (on the other side of the Missouri River) I can go to BJJ classes and my old boxing gym.

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2) Given that airborne droplets are a major vector with this respiratory virus that causes coughing, wearing a mask to reduce the airborne droplets you expel is reasonable.

Stop arguing straw men.

This argument is analogous to saying banning guns will stop shootings. It’s based on feeling not fact. Masks are not effective at stopping virus transmission. Hell the dumbass governor of Massachusetts ordered masks but said not to use medical grade. It’s asinine. One medical grade mask, worn properly, may block some virus containing droplets during normal breathing. So the mask collects virus. The mask doesn’t reduce virus transmission during cough or sneeze. The mask is ineffective after a certain amount of time (manufacturer dependent) and only effective for a single use. Also if moisture gets through the mask (very quickly usually) the mask is useless and must be replaced. You going to tell me anyone is following these requirements?

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I do find it amusing that some of y'all will cancel your Costco memberships over a mask requirement, but apparently would not over their "no firearms in stores" policy.

I carry concealed per law and have carried in Costco for years. They don't ask, I don't tell. Everyone is happy. When you stop me at the door and refuse me entrance because I don't have part of a bedsheet over my face, you can give me back my membership fee. It's just that simple.

I do have a question that has occurred to me from time to time: Why do doctors and other health care providers sometimes wear face masks? Now that the self-confident authorities here who know all about them have educated us about their worthlessness (thanks, BTW), what’s the reason?

Last year when I had surgery, everyone in the room with me—surgeon, anesthesiologists, nurses, and for all I know, janitorial staff—was wearing one. Since they don’t serve any actual practical purpose in preventing or even limiting the transmission of various microorganisms from the wearer to patient, is it just a tradition thing so we don’t confuse the patient with the medical staff and start cutting on the wrong person? I.e., is it sort of like the head mirror that cartoonists draw on doctors in the funnies so we know what they are?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

Ok, I've saved this story for a little over a week and think now might be a good time to share it since many here could use a bit of levity.

Let me set this up for you. I went to Publix for some groceries. I did not wear a mask or gloves or a Tyvek suit. The last place in the store I always visit is the produce section. While sorting through the tomatoes looking for a couple good ones (don't know why Publix produce sucks so bad), a rather short and portly lady in her 40's (I assume) and wearing a mask and rubber gloves wobbles quickly over to me. This is the dialogue that occurred...

Lady: Do you have to touch every goddamn tomato in the bin?
Me: [Perplexed] Just looking for a couple good ones.
Lady: Well since you're not wearing a mask or anything else, you're infecting all of them for the rest of us.
Me:[Pondering a good response] So my touching of the tomatoes bothers you?
Lady: You're damn right it bothers me you inconsiderate asshole.
Me: [Gloves come off] Well then, if my touching of the tomatoes bothered you, then me licking them should really send you over the edge. [At which point I licked the tomato in my hand before dropping it in my plastic bag.]
Lady: [Throws hands up in air, screams, and beats feet to the front of the store.]

After having a good chuckle, I finished my produce shopping, at which point a Publix manager appears on the horizon and sets a course straight for me (a manager I've known and spoken with for the past maybe 10 years). I noticed he recognized me right away when he approached, and greeted me by my first name. More dialog ensued...

Me: [Smiling] Hello. How the heck are you today?
Manager: [Trying to hold back a grin] Did you really tell that lady you'd lick all my tomatoes?
Me: [Sheepish grin] Yeah, I kinda did.
Manager: [Now fully grinning] Please don't do that to some of these folks. It was all I could do to not laugh out loud when she told me what you did.
Me: I apologize. I just couldn't resist playing with her a bit.

He and I chatted a bit more and I made my way to check out and then home, all the while grinning and laughing a bit every time that woman's reaction came back into memory.

Yes, people have lost their GD minds, and according to my neighbor, I'm a very bad man.

Some of you folks are forgetting life is terminal. Morbid as it may sound, life before and life after us will go on. On a scale of 1 to Oh Shit, the Wu Flu hasn't even moved the needle.

I was recently thinking of posting a DIY video on YouTube on how to defeat the Wu Flu. I broke it down into 5 simple steps.

Defeat the Wu Flu with these 5 simple steps:
1. Dig hole
2. Send coordinates of hole to next of kin
3. Hop in hole
4. Cover self
5. Don't get out until Wu Flu is gone