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Back to the topic of how deaths are being reported in New York, Tucker Carlson hit on this topic last night on his show. Something he mentioned (which I have not confirmed) was that the number of deaths caused by pneumonia in New York is down significantly from last year while these Covid deaths counts have risen. The obvious question....Are pneumonia deaths being arbitrarily recorded as Covid deaths, completely skewing the numbers? Based on Birx's comments about how deaths should be recorded if Covid is present, this could be happening. 'If' that is the case, then we have 'nothing' even approaching reliable data to base a Covid mortality rate on which would continue to force models to produce higher than appropriate death projections. Some group needs to look into this and get a handle on whether this is happening. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...to-illegals-n2566552 California Gov. Gavin Newsom and the state legislature are working on a plan to offer coronavirus assistance to illegal immigrants in The Golden State who are not included in the federal government’s stimulus package. “Californians care deeply about undocumented residents in this state,” Newsom said | |||
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Some of the criticisms of blaming all deaths of people with serious additional medical problems on C-19 are clearly valid, but it can be just as much of a mistake to believe that everyone in that condition who dies would have died “anyway.” There are some similarities to a scenario in which a hemophiliac is stabbed and dies because it’s not possible to stop the bleeding by means that would have worked for a person with normal blood clotting. Did he die from the stab wound, or should we give the stabber a pass on a murder charge because it was a genetic defect that the attacker didn’t know about that led to the victim’s bleeding out? If this disease worsens a victim’s health problem to the point that that’s what kills him, then the disease still deserves the blame. It may be difficult at times to determine which was the precipitating cause of death at that particular time, i.e., the COVID-19 or the other medical problem, but being difficult should make us cautious in deciding, not give us an excuse to justify our picking whatever cause meets our particular agenda. “I can’t give you brains, but I can give you a diploma.” — The Wizard of Oz This life is a drill. It is only a drill. If it had been a real life, you would have been given instructions about where to go and what to do. | |||
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Hyperbaric chambers are used for severe CO poisoning...not that it would apply to the virus at hand. I read that article last night and as a paramedic of 30 something years I have to say medically/scientifically they brought up some good points and it made sense from a medical perspective. I do however, question weather or not any of the contained info has been verified or fact checked, and found it odd to see political opinion in the article. The author clearly stated they were not a doctor but it’s contents clearly had some base on medical conditions/disease process. Just made me take it with a grain of salt and pause....interested to see what someone more informed than myself has to say about it. ________________________ Those who trade liberty for security have neither | |||
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Which is the absolutely right call, both in practice (allows states / localities to assess their particular situation and take the appropriate action) and in a political sense (puts the burden where it needs to be, on the Governors, both Liberal and Conservative. Because you know any unilateral action by Trump to close / open things will be lambasted by the MSM / Fake News / Leftists. So he's putting the ball in their court. | |||
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The "models" keep being adjusted downwards to catch up with reality -- but never quite get there. And meanwhile, people keep telling us the models are completely accurate and that to question them is to "have blood on your hands." "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
Good, a broke ass state can have its subjects pay for it. Fuck em. | |||
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Just secede already! "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Chicago is already there: https://www.washingtontimes.co...ecutive-order-grant/ Chicago mayor's executive order grants coronavirus benefits to illegal immigrants By - Associated Press - Tuesday, April 7, 2020 CHICAGO — Chicago immigrants who do not have legal status in the U.S. are eligible for all relief programs run by the city amid the coronavirus outbreak, Mayor Lori Lightfoot ordered Tuesday. Lightfoot said that includes programs for housing assistance and low-interest small business loans administered by the city. Immigrants who do not have legal status in the U.S. are excluded from the $2 trillion federal relief package approved by Congress. The package is limited to those who have filed federal taxes using Social Security Numbers. Chicago Alderman George Cardenas said that left out people who are “the heart and soul of the service economy.” “These individuals are getting hit the hardest,” he said. “They have nowhere to turn for support.” Immigration advocacy groups have called for additional federal legislation providing financial help for immigrants who do not have legal status but pay taxes using Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers. | |||
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God Bless and Protect the Once and Future President, Donald John Trump. | |||
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It's the Laff-A-Lympics of leftism, which state or city will win the race? Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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These people need to be hunted down and deported. Instead, we give them "benefits"!  "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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I was sent to the dollar store to pick up a bunch of coloring books for our kids, the psychology this whole pandemic is just weird to watch unfold. I’ve got people literally recoiling from me as I try to pass them in the aisles.  | |||
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Which, as PDJT put it is his Constitutional duty to advise. PDJT also said he (the Feds) would not hesitate to step in if the Governors did not. ____________________________ "Fear is a Reaction - Courage is a Decision.” - Winston Spencer Churchill NRA Life Member - Adorable Deplorable Garbage | |||
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This phrase "social distancing," I hate it. If you even say hi to another person, he or she looks at you like "why the hell are you talking to me; go away." Maybe we should be saying something like physical separation. I know, it's petty. But I hate the term "social distancing." When I was with my mother a couple of weeks ago outside of her senior living complex, some lady driving out of the parking lot stopped her car and yelled over at us, "six feet!" It was all I could do not to turn around, drop trou, and show her my ass. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Covid-19 does not penetrate skin. It enters through mucous membranes. I see people out in the world wearing latex, rubber, nitrile, vinyl and other types of impermeable gloves continuously during their excursions. They don't change them or even hand-wash them between exposure to surfaces in public, like door handles, grocery carts, etc. Only in medical facilities have I see people changing gloves with proper handling and disposal after an exposure. Unless these materials possess some kind of intrinsic, rapid antiviral capabilities of which I am unaware, how do they help? Solely to remind folks when they feel their own nitrile/rubber/vinyl/latex clad fingers touching their own fashionably masked faces, that they just did a no-no? Again? Now if everyone wore wet cotton gloves, with a hose down each arm from their approved disinfectant-filled CamelBaks, that would actually be protecting themselves AND disinfecting every surface they touch. (Patent-pending  )I wonder if a adapting Scott-Oiler with a Y fitting to two hoses would work?  ____________________ | |||
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Only time I've used them is in instances where I won't be able to wash after a grabbing something with a lot of traffic like a gas pump, etc. before taking hold of steering wheel, phone, etc. Easier to just strip that off the one hand that was on pump/keypad than to carry around some other sort of cleaning method. Which, of course, you can't buy now. They are also fun to pull/snap on loudly when walking into the bedroom in the evening.....  You only have integrity once. - imprezaguy02 | |||
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Friggin’ great. Guess who gets to help pay for this bullshit? I can’t stand Chicago. | |||
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Just too be clear, I have been drawing attention to this classification issue, but only as it relates to the integrity of the data and models. I personally don't care how the deaths are classified so long as its done as accurately as possible. This BS of simply classifying all deaths as Covid deaths if the virus is present in the decedent is just utter stupidity and screws big time with the projections. My grandfather told us kids many times when we were growing up, "If you're not going to do it right, then don't do it at all". I would suggest these morons in Washington start adhering to that approach, and right now. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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