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Originally posted by sdy:
From one of the leading assholes that brought us obamacare, Ezekiel Emanuel:

Realistically, COVID-19 will be here for the next 18 months or more . We will not be able to return to normalcy until we find a vaccine or effective medications.

I know that’s dreadful news to hear. How are people supposed to find work if this goes on in some form for a year and a half? Is all that economic pain worth trying to stop COVID-19? The truth is we have no choice. If we prematurely end that physical distancing and the other measures keeping it at bay, deaths could skyrocket into the hundreds of thousands if not a million.

We cannot return to normal until there’s a vaccine. Conferences, concerts, sporting events, religious services, dinner in a restaurant, none of that will resume until we find a vaccine, a treatment, or a cure.

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...uld-be-12-18-months/

Well, he believes life is over after 75, so we really shouldn't be providing ANY care to those people.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ma...to-die-at-75/379329/

https://www.usatoday.com/story...llnesses/2960151001/

The majority of New York’s more than 4,700 deaths due to coronavirus were among men, and 86% of all deaths were among people who had underlying illnesses, such as hypertension and diabetes, new state data shows.

The statistics released late Monday offered the latest glimpse into how the rapidly spreading virus has impacted New York and made it the epicenter for COVID-19 in the nation.

Of the 4,758 deaths in New York since the first on March 14, 61% were men and 39% were women, the state Department of Health reportedon its new data portal.

In addition, 63% of the deaths were among those age 70 and older, while 7% of the cases were those 49 and younger.

And 4,089 of those who died had at least one other chronic disease, the records showed:

The leading underlying illness was hypertension, which showed up in 55% of the deaths.

Next was diabetes, which was diagnosed in 1,755 deaths, or about 37% of the cases.

Other top illnesses found in those who died from coronavirus were hyperlipidemia; coronary artery disease; renal disease and dementia.

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hypertension - high blood pressure

hyperlipidemia - abnormally high levels of fats (lipids) in the blood. The two major types of lipids found in the blood are triglycerides and cholesterol.

renal disease - kidney disease

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Well John Prine is gone.

Very few coming off vents. RIP.

I just saw this ...fuck!

I've been saying that a lot.

"One of your most famous songs, “Angel From Montgomery,” begins, “I am an old woman/Named after my mother.” What made you comfortable using a female perspective?
Nobody told me you weren’t supposed to. Ignorance is bliss as a writer, I think. I always had an affinity for older people. I had a job delivering newspapers, and one place I had to go was an old people’s home. Some people would introduce you to their neighbors as if you were a nephew or grandson. They didn’t get many visitors, so they acted like you were coming to see them. And that stuck with me for a long time. I think I was 22 when I wrote that"

https://www.rollingstone.com/m...-songwriting-126460/

I still don’t understand why we don’t know if you can be reinfected after recovering. Is that really that hard to find out?

I've worked in hospital labs for about 12 years now as a service person. In that time I've become very good at not touching my face and being very cognizant of what I touch and the order I touch it in i.e. I try to never touch my phone or laptop without clean hands.

So now though I'm being forced to wear a little paper mask whenever I enter a facility. Not being used to this thing makes me touch it and my face 10x as much as I would have otherwise as it's constantly ridng up and touching my lower eyelashes or if I put it lower it pulls off my nose when I talk...

Just my weak rant for the day.

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
I still don’t understand why we don’t know if you can be reinfected after recovering. Is that really that hard to find out?

It's been stated several times in this thread that you cannot. Previous cases of supposed reinfection were errors in testing.

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Originally posted by WaterburyBob:

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
I still don’t understand why we don’t know if you can be reinfected after recovering. Is that really that hard to find out?

It's been stated several times in this thread that you cannot. Previous cases of supposed reinfection were errors in testing.

Must have missed it. My friend’s who had it still don’t know if they can be reinfected, that came from their doctors.

My nurse buddy who is now in quarantine doesn’t even know if we can build immunity like other viruses.

If you couldn't build antibodies nobody could ever recover from the infection.

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Originally posted by WaterburyBob:
If you couldn't build antibodies nobody could ever recover from the infection.

So you’re telling me that people who have recovered from it can go about their daily business and don’t need to be in quarantine?

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:

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Originally posted by WaterburyBob:
If you couldn't build antibodies nobody could ever recover from the infection.

So you’re telling me that people who have recovered from it can go about their daily business and don’t need to be in quarantine?

Yes, after a two week of no symptoms safety quarantine. We have workers at our hospital that tested positive and had symptoms return to work this week.

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Originally posted by WaterburyBob:

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:

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Originally posted by WaterburyBob:
If you couldn't build antibodies nobody could ever recover from the infection.

So you’re telling me that people who have recovered from it can go about their daily business and don’t need to be in quarantine?

Yes, after a two week of no symptoms safety quarantine. We have workers at our hospital that tested positive and had symptoms return to work this week.

So they’re now immune? They can go lick door knobs in the corona unit? Honest question.

I would never lick a doorknob ...

But yes, that's what our Infectious Diseases department has told us.
That's the basis for plasma donations from recovered patients - the antibodies help people severely affected by the virus.

Well that’s nice to know.

a significant issue

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...problematic-n2566543

Dr Birx:

"The intent is right now if someone dies with COVID-19, we're counting that as a COVID-19 death," "There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition and let's say the virus caused you to go the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death."

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difficult problem

maybe a better approach is that a doctor has to make a call on each case:

primarily due to Covid 19 or

primarily due to xyz but Covid 19 present

Then Covid 19 deaths are only counted when the China virus was the primary cause.



Given many of the people dying are older and have general health problems this might be a better approach

And the IHME Model is now (8 April) down to 60,415 deaths by Aug 4th, it was 81,766 on April 6.

Peak Resource Usage and Peak Death days all pulled in significantly.

A 20% drop!

Only in the Public sector would such grossly inaccurate estimations be acceptable. I understand new data is coming to light - but they should just then put a huge * next to the numbers and below say "* We Don't Know Much and are making it up as we go"

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:

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Originally posted by WaterburyBob:

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:

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Originally posted by WaterburyBob:
If you couldn't build antibodies nobody could ever recover from the infection.

So you’re telling me that people who have recovered from it can go about their daily business and don’t need to be in quarantine?

Yes, after a two week of no symptoms safety quarantine. We have workers at our hospital that tested positive and had symptoms return to work this week.

So they’re now immune? They can go lick door knobs in the corona unit? Honest question.

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...teering-at-hospital/

Rand Paul is volunteering at his local hospital now that he is over it.

They also are requesting folks that have recovered donate their plasma so they can work on treatments.

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Originally posted by sdy:
a significant issue

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...problematic-n2566543

Dr Birx:

"The intent is right now if someone dies with COVID-19, we're counting that as a COVID-19 death," "There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition and let's say the virus caused you to go the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death."

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difficult problem

maybe a better approach is that a doctor has to make a call on each case:

primarily due to Covid 19 or

primarily due to xyz but Covid 19 present

Then Covid 19 deaths are only counted when the China virus was the primary cause.



Given many of the people dying are older and have general health problems this might be a better approach

I figured this out some weeks ago. Didn't need Birx or anyone else to tell me this was going on. All you had to do was read reports and listen to how media reported deaths. Everything had language that contained "linked to" or complications from" so you know they most likely had some serious pre existing condition. This is how they lie to you by leaving other facts out.

How about we let a medical examiner determine the cause of the death seeing as how that is their specialty.

as Grump posted above, IHME has updated their numbers

For NY predicted deaths 9,365 to 21,826
w mean 13,307

Total U.S. deaths 31,217 to 126,064
w mean 60,415

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
How about we let a medical examiner determine the cause of the death seeing as how that is their specialty.

THIS....Exactly!

Eh, even then the answer may be "multiple causes" or something "aggravated by" the Kung Flu. Data gathering is a notoriously sloppy buisness, particularly when dealing with the unfamiliar.