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A couple weeks back, a Rush caller talked of a ventilator alternative that oxygenated the blood via catheter near or at the heart(?). I've heard nothing else about this treatment. It's my understanding C19 is more like altitude sickness than pneumonia, low oxygen levels in the blood. Is the alternative treatment anything to pin hopes on? Set the controls for the heart of the Sun. | |||
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I believe this is the same technique that is used for open heart surgery when they have to stop the heart for a while. There aren't nearly as many of those machines around as there are ventilators. With C19, the low oxygen levels are due to poor gas transfer in the lungs because they're full of fluid. "If Gun Control worked, Chicago would look like Mayberry, not Thunderdome" - Cam Edwards | |||
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No idea if this is correct, but read this: The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen) by binding to the heme groups in hemoglobin in your red blood cells. People are simply desaturating (losing o2 in their blood), and that’s what eventually leads to organ failures that kill them, not any form of ARDS or pneumonia. All the damage to the lungs you see in CT scans are from the release of oxidative iron from the hemes, this overwhelms the natural defenses against pulmonary oxidative stress and causes that nice, always-bilateral ground glass opacity in the lungs. Patients returning for re-hospitalization days or weeks after recovery suffering from apparent delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy strengthen the notion COVID-19 patients are suffering from hypoxia despite no signs of respiratory ‘tire out’ or fatigue. It is INCORRECT to assume traditional ARDS and in doing so, you’re treating the WRONG DISEASE. Think of it a lot like carbon monoxide poisoning, in which CO is bound to the hemoglobin, making it unable to carry oxygen. In those cases, ventilators aren’t treating the root cause; the patient’s lungs aren’t ‘tiring out’, they’re pumping just fine. The red blood cells just can’t carry o2, end of story. Only in this case, unlike CO poisoning in which eventually the CO can break off, the affected hemoglobin is permanently stripped of its ability to carry o2 because it has lost its iron ion. The body compensates for this lack of o2 carrying capacity and deliveries by having your kidneys release hormones like erythropoietin, which tell your bone marrow factories to ramp up production on new red blood cells with freshly made and fully functioning hemoglobin. This is the reason you find elevated hemoglobin and decreased blood oxygen saturation as one of the 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not. http://web.archive.org/web/202...-secret-91182386efcb NRA Life Member - "Fear God and Dreadnaught" | |||
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It’s going to be a while for sure __________________________ If Jesus would have had a gun he would be alive today. Homer Simpson “Him plenty dead” Tonto | |||
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Swell. Did I already mention my concerns about impaired lung function because of living at high altitude (69% of sea level air pressure and available O2)? So maybe now it’s not the lungs I need to fret* about, but the blood. * I say “fret” because if I said I was worried, I’d be accused by some people of PANICKING!!! (with accompanying videos), and I certainly wouldn’t want that.  “I can’t give you brains, but I can give you a diploma.” — The Wizard of Oz This life is a drill. It is only a drill. If it had been a real life, you would have been given instructions about where to go and what to do. | |||
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I understand enough of what fearsum posted to know I don’t understand it. I’d appreciate Doc H chiming in. “Crisis is the rallying cry of the tyrant.” – James Madison "Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." - Robert Louis Stevenson | |||
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NY City is seeing a high rate of deaths just NY City: confirmed cases 81,803 deaths 4,571 4571 / 81903 = 5.6% NY city has 55% of NY state's confirmed cases, but 73% of the deaths data from https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en | |||
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I read through the original article. Very interesting for sure, but it's still just one guy's theory. Waiting for a more official, peer-reviewed report. | |||
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My wife (MD) was telling me about this yesterday. She has an MD/PhD friend who is a research scientist who just received a grant for laboratory research related to this. This could also explain the very elevated mortality rate among diabetics. I may not be repeating this correctly, but my understanding is that even a diabetic who is meticulous about controlling his blood sugar has larger swings in blood sugar levels than a non-diabetic, and elevated blood sugar leads to sugar binding to hemoglobin and reducing its oxygen-carrying capacity (I think this is what the A1c test measures). So basically, a diabetic person's hemoglobin is already likely to be less efficient, and then when you pile COVID-19's effect on top of that, it's bad news. | |||
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[/QUOTE] It’s going to be a while for sure[/QUOTE] I actually think PDJT will start letting people go back to church on Sunday (with correct spacing or out doors), and start commerce going again on Monday starting with low risk work (construction and other outdoor activities), and gradually opening up other work with sports and schools outdoors. Entertainment venues indoors should be last ____________________________ "Fear is a Reaction - Courage is a Decision.” - Winston Spencer Churchill NRA Life Member - Adorable Deplorable Garbage | |||
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That's up to the States. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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With a [B]NOVEL[/B] virus like this, the unknowns need to become known before a truly effective treatment(s) and/or vaccines can be perfected. I'm encouraged by the universal efforts to address this threat. "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken." | |||
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But how many of the 4571 deaths are actually flu, high blood pressure and obesity, etc? ____________________________ "Fear is a Reaction - Courage is a Decision.” - Winston Spencer Churchill NRA Life Member - Adorable Deplorable Garbage | |||
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Indeed it is but his job is to make recommendations for the Governors to make the right decisions, just as he has been saying almost every day in his briefings. ____________________________ "Fear is a Reaction - Courage is a Decision.” - Winston Spencer Churchill NRA Life Member - Adorable Deplorable Garbage | |||
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Indeed. The Detroit area is faring poorly also. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Good to know others countries are at least trying to get it right, and disgusted to once again look at the way we're handling this issue. As you are well aware, this one attribute is absolutely key to having any statistics that we can rely on regarding just how deadly this virus actually is. This is a textbook example of the concept of "garbage in, garbage out". ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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This might explain why diabetes is a risk factor. As a diabetic, I find this rather fascinating. Frightening but also fascinating. I know blood transfusion/exchange is used to treat severe CO poisoning. I wonder if it could work with Wuhan. Also as Hydroxychloroquine protects red blood cells from the malaria parasite, maybe it also protects the red blood cells from attack by the Wuhan virus. Another piece to the puzzle perhaps. God Bless and Protect the Once and Future President, Donald John Trump. | |||
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'That' and these "experts" and our brilliant politicians are going to need cover for what they've done to this country in response to this bug. This is rapidly going to move toward a CYA focus for the people in charge. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Naturally. Once the media doesn't have the virus to freak out about, what else are they going to use to sell advertising by having something to freak out about? | |||
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Speaking of blood transfusion/exchange as a possible treatment, has there been any meaningful progress on synthetic blood? God Bless and Protect the Once and Future President, Donald John Trump. | |||
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