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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
So if we are contaminating each other, shouldn't she have put on new gloves for every transaction?

I would not have expected her change gloves.

She isn't trying to protect you, she's trying to protect herself from getting contaminated from what she has to handle. I'd think that she would change gloves, after having wiped off the screen on her register, as she goes off shift.

It is your responsibility to protect yourself from being contaminated. You were wearing gloves when she handed you back your card/receipt, right?

Nope. I cover myself totally in shrink wrap before I leave the house and then peel it off before I open the door.
And I like my bat well done!

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
The pbs frontline program is worth the watch.

There's one coming April 21st: Coronavirus Pandemic

pbs, so who knows how skewed the coverage will be?

SEASON 2020: EPISODE 16
A special report on the U.S. government response to the coronavirus and the human toll of COVID-19. The two-part hour investigates the federal response versus that of Washington state, the outbreak’s U.S. epicenter; and in the Midwest, how the outbreak impacts poor children.

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Originally pos


I see people out in the world wearing latex, rubber, nitrile, vinyl and other types of impermeable gloves continuously during their
excursions.

They don't change them or even hand-wash them between exposure to surfaces in public, like door handles, grocery carts, etc.

How would you know that? When I’m out in public now I’m wearing nitrile gloves and a mask. As soon as I leave the grocery store, vet, pool store, gas pump, etc, I sanitize those gloves with alcohol or sanitizer. I don’t touch my face or anything else. Door handle to the truck, steering wheel, shifter, etc, isn’t touched until I have sanitized the gloves. And I only continue to wear the gloves if multiple stops. When I’m done they are removed and discarded properly.

I wear a set of gloves to several stores without changing them. I certainly do not touch my face with them. When I get home I then sanitize my steering wheel and anything else in my vehicle that I touch. Then take gloves off and throw them away.

Classic sigmonkey.

Wearing gloves only replaces washing your hands, or otherwise disinfecting them. For some it reminds you not to touch your face. But it's not like the virus can enter through your skin.

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Originally posted by kkina:
Wearing gloves only replaces washing your hands, or otherwise disinfecting them. For some it reminds you not to touch your face. But it's not like the virus can enter through your skin.

If wearing gloves helps prevent someone from touching your face, then fine. Since it will not enter through skin I simply sanitize my hands when I return to my car along with the steering wheel, etc. and don't touch my face until I get home and put stuff away AND AFTER I wash my hands thoroughly. I keep seeing people looking like a surgeon garbed up,ready for the operating room People are letting themselves be frightened to death and over reacting.

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Originally posted by kkina:For some it reminds you not to touch your face.

I wear rubber gloves to the grocery store for this reason. I know I won't rub my eye with my hand in latex gloves.

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Originally posted by 9mmepiphany:
She isn't trying to protect you, she's trying to protect herself from getting contaminated from what she has to handle. ...

It is your responsibility to protect yourself from being contaminated.

Uh ..., yeah.

Even if people who are (still) working are just some sort of anonymous servants and we don’t really care about the effect getting this disease might have on them as individuals, it is still in our interest if they don’t get sick. It is well documented by now that people can be infected by, and therefore spread, the virus while being asymptomatic. If someone like that is working at a store or restaurant, they can contaminate the whole place as well and infect co-workers. That in turn means that not only will things like receipts and credit cards be possibly contaminated by touch transfer, everything the business sells could also be contaminated at a much higher level—including that bun on the Big Mac that you’re about to eat.

Avoiding this disease is a form of self-defense, and just like other threats, no one can protect us better than we can protect ourselves.

Pentagon denies ABC News report that intelligence warned of ‘cataclysmic’ coronavirus pandemic last November

https://www.washingtonexaminer...ndemic-last-november

WHAT, WHEN DID DOD KNOW?: The National Center for Medical Intelligence issued a rare public denial of a report by ABC News, which alleged that “concerns about what is now known to be the novel coronavirus pandemic were detailed in a November intelligence report” by the NCMI, which is part of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

"Analysts concluded it could be a cataclysmic event," according to an unnamed source who told ABC the reports were then “briefed multiple times,” to the DIA, the Pentagon’s Joint Staff, and the White House.

‘NO SUCH PRODUCT' EXISTS: The ABC News report, which alleged that 2019 intelligence depicted an “American government that could have ramped up mitigation and containment efforts far earlier to prepare for a crisis poised to come home,” sent Pentagon officials scrambling to find the report in question.

“NCMI and the Defense Intelligence Agency spent considerable time over the last 24 hours examining every possible product that could have been identified as related to this topic and have found no such product,” said a defense official last night.

That, in turn, prompted Col. R. Shane Day, a medical doctor and director of the DIA’s National Center for Medical Intelligence, to issue a rare public statement.

"As a matter of practice, the National Center for Medical Intelligence does not comment publicly on specific intelligence matters,” Day said. “However, in the interest of transparency during this current public health crisis, we can confirm that media reporting about the existence/release of a National Center for Medical Intelligence Coronavirus-related product/assessment in November of 2019 is not correct. No such NCMI product exists."

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Originally posted by parabellum:
That's unreadable

Glad it wasnt just me, almost had to put the drink down.

Same here - I thought my neurons weren't firing right first thing in the morning.

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Originally posted by feersum dreadnaught:
No idea if this is correct, but read this:

http://web.archive.org/web/202...-secret-91182386efcb

a good read - Thanks.

Just saw this - more on the same theme...


COVID-19: Attacks the 1-Beta Chain of Hemoglobin and Captures the Porphyrin to Inhibit Human Heme Metabolism

Version 6 Preprint revised on 07.04.2020, 08:40 and posted on 09.04.2020, 03:54 by liu wenzhong Li hualan

Abstract

The novel coronavirus pneumonia (COVID-19) is an infectious acute respiratory infection caused by the novel coronavirus. The virus is a positive-strand RNA virus with high homology to bat coronavirus. In this study, conserved domain analysis, homology modeling, and molecular docking were used to compare the biological roles of certain proteins of the novel coronavirus. The results showed the ORF8 and surface glycoprotein could bind to the porphyrin, respectively. At the same time, orf1ab, ORF10, and ORF3a proteins could coordinate attack the heme on the 1-beta chain of hemoglobin to dissociate the iron to form the porphyrin.

The attack will cause less and less hemoglobin that can carry oxygen and carbon dioxide. The lung cells have extremely intense poisoning and inflammatory due to the inability to exchange carbon dioxide and oxygen frequently, which eventually results in ground-glass-like lung images. The mechanism also interfered with the normal heme anabolic pathway of the human body, is expected to result in human disease.

According to the validation analysis of these finds, chloroquine could prevent orf1ab, ORF3a, and ORF10 to attack the heme to form the porphyrin, and inhibit the binding of ORF8 and surface glycoproteins to porphyrins to a certain extent, effectively relieve the symptoms of respiratory distress. Since the ability of chloroquine to inhibit structural proteins is not particularly obvious, the therapeutic effect on different people may be different.

Favipiravir could inhibit the envelope protein and ORF7a protein bind to porphyrin, prevent the virus from entering host cells, and catching free porphyrins. This paper is only for academic discussion, the correctness needs to be confirmed by other laboratories. Due to the side effects and allergic reactions of drugs such as chloroquine, please consult a qualified doctor for treatment details, and do not take the medicine yourself.

Full paper here:

https://chemrxiv.org/articles/...o_Porphyrin/11938173

Is "sheltering in place" working, or not working?
Haven't we been doing this for more than the two-week incubation period?
Why were there 32,946 new cases (second only to 34K on 4/4, still near an all-time high) reported yesterday?

If everyone is cooped up in their homes, sheltering in place, how is there still an increasing number of new cases?
When can we get back to simply "social distancing" rather than the more medieval "sheltering in place"?
I'm getting tired of feeling quarantined.
/Rant

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Originally posted by chellim1:

When can we get back to simply "social distancing" rather than the more medieval "sheltering in place"?
I'm getting tired of feeling quarantined.
/Rant

When? How about tomorrow?

Great article from Ann Coulter yesterday.


I'LL HAVE THE CHICKEN TESTICLE SOUP - HOLD THE DEADLY VIRUS
by Ann Coulter
April 8, 2020



It’s probably a coincidence, but I notice that as businesses go under, jobs are lost, careers are ended and trillions of dollars are drained from the economy, the people most avidly pushing the coronavirus panic are doing quite well.

No politician or government official has taken a salary cut. To the contrary, dusty bureaucrats now find the entire country transfixed by their every utterance. Cable news hosts still make millions of dollars -- and now they get to work from home!

Annoyingly, though, journalists can’t seem to relay the basic elements of a news story: who, what, where and why.

First, who’s dying? It appears to be mostly the old, people with specific medical conditions and vapers.

To be sure, that’s not as important as daily updates on Chris Cuomo’s personal battle with the coronavirus, but it might be kind of important to the 17 million Americans who’ve been thrown out of work, many of whom are not elderly, immunocompromised or vapers.

Second, the “what.” What exactly constitutes a “coronavirus death”?

It turns out a person with Stage 4 lung cancer and a bullet through the heart will be counted as a “coronavirus death” if he also tested positive for the disease, OR merely exhibited symptoms associated with it (symptoms that are coextensive with the flu and pneumonia).

We’re told that, if anything, coronavirus deaths are being undercounted because the numbers don’t include those who die of it at home.

If so, then the death count also excludes those who die at home of other things, like heart attacks and poisonings. Many of these people might have survived -- except they were too scared to go to a hospital or couldn't find an EMT to take them there, per current edicts.

The “where” is: Where did the virus originate, and where did it first land in this country?

Despite the media’s best efforts -- DON’T CALL IT THE “CHINESE VIRUS”! -- people know that the virus began at a wet market in China.

But where did it start in this country? Washington state was the site of our very first case. Washington state is also 9.3% Asian. Even now, it has eight times more coronavirus cases per capita than neighboring Oregon (4.8% Asian).

Could it be that Chinese-Americans have more contact with the epicenter of this plague than other Americans? As the left always lectures us, BELIEVE THE SCIENCE!

The virus next leapt to New York (9% Asian) and New Jersey (10% Asian). The worst-hit borough of Manhattan is Queens. Guess which borough has the most Asians? Elmhurst Hospital in Queens is the worst-hit hospital in the nation. Elmhurst neighborhood: 50% Asian.

Notice a pattern? While it’s true that “viruses don’t have nationalities!” -- and thank you very much for pointing that out, media! -- the carriers of viruses do have nationalities.

Arguably, Trump had a reason to shut down travel from China other than “hysteria, xenophobia and fear-mongering", as Joe Biden claimed in a tweet on Feb. 1.

Of course, once it’s here, it’s here and can spread all over. Still, compare New York and New Jersey to, say, Montana and West Virginia.

Chinese virus deaths, so far, by population:

-- New York (9% Asian): 29 per 100,000

-- New Jersey (10% Asian): 13 per 100,000

-- Montana (0.9% Asian): 0.6 per 100,000

-- West Virginia (0.8% Asian): 0.2 per 100,000

Then there’s California, which alone among the four states with the highest Asian populations has relatively few coronavirus cases, probably due to its warm climate and little public transportation, among other things. In those respects, California is a lot like Texas -- which has about a third as many Asians and also about half as many coronavirus deaths (1.1 per 100,000 in California, compared to 0.71 per 100,000 in Texas).

MEDIA: Oh, why does it matter?

OK, OK, you’re right. But isn’t the prevalence of the coronavirus in states with high Asian populations at least as interesting as this recent article in The New York Times magazine?

Story summary:

Man with severe asthma gets coronavirus, has low-grade fever for approximately 10 days with muscle pain, nausea and fatigue, develops walking pneumonia per X-ray (no clinical evidence) ...

Recovers.

The End.

Finally, why? Why do we have to deal with this virus at all?

The media would prefer if you would stop asking this question, but Americans who didn’t have to die are dead because of Wall Street’s decision to merge our economy with the Chinese, who have unusual eating habits.

The Chinese eat wolf pups. But eating dog wasn’t weird enough. It didn’t give them a frisson of freakishness. They also eat bats, snakes and chicken testicles.

Husband: Oh, honey, golden retriever again?

[Kids groan]

Mom: Not tonight! For a special treat, we're having chicken testicles!

Kids: Aw, you're the best mom ever!

Tigers and rhinos are the most endangered species on Earth because Chinese people think rhinoceros horns and tiger penises can cure impotence. The Caspian, Bali and Javan tigers are already extinct because of this charming folk remedy.

Recently added to the endangered species list is the cute, cartoonish pangolin, the most trafficked animal is the world. Unfortunately, the pangolin’s scales are believed to cure any number of ailments, according to traditional Chinese medicine.

Where’s PETA?

The media are too busy covering for China. At least the Chinese aren’t white.

Although, it occurs to me that, despite America’s terrible toxic whiteness, one way our culture is superior to others is that we don’t believe lunatic nonsense that wipes out entire species or launches viral pandemics on the world.

Now back to Chris Cuomo’s riveting battle with the coronavirus.


http://www.anncoulter.com/colu...04-08.html#read_more

Has anyone checked on The Monkey since that last post of his?

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by chellim1:

When can we get back to simply "social distancing" rather than the more medieval "sheltering in place"?
I'm getting tired of feeling quarantined.
/Rant

When? How about tomorrow?

Was everyone in that photo immediately fined $1,000 ????

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Originally posted by feersum dreadnaught:
https://pjmedia.com/instapundi...A1-978FB29D0AD2.jpeg

Those are not yesterday's Powerball numbers ;-) But that does look like Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.
Why is everyone smiling? The guy in back with raccoon eyes farted?