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Semper Fi - 1775 |
Can anyone please link me to a few quality articles about what China knew before all this broke here? I’m not finding much of “quality” online. ___________________________ All it takes...is all you got. ____________________________ For those who have fought for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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Neither of us can say for certain why if we’re being honest. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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Ammoholic |
Here you go. https://virus.stanford.edu/uda/ Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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Now in Florida |
No disrespect to the poster's brother....but mortality can't be determined at this point. We won't know the true mortality until this is all over. As it is, the mortality rate - other than in Italy perhaps - is falling every day. The fact that 25% of infected people (I've seen estimates as high as 86%) don't show symptoms suggests that mortality is much lower than we see based on confirmed cases. It seems likely that the true mortality rate will end up being around .8-.9% on the high end. Definitely higher than the flu (.1%), but not panic inducing. The big question is whether the remedy (total shutdown of the country and the trillions of dollars of economic damage involved with that) is justified by whast we are seeing. So far I am not convinced. It seems like, instead of telling everyone to stay home and shuttering restaurants and stores, we could have started by telling anyone over 70 to self-quarantine. It would have been a lot less disruptive and probably would have prevented 95% of the deaths (which still number barely more than a hundred). Change my mind. | |||
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Fourth line skater |
https://wattsupwiththat.com/20...-anti-malarial-drug/ I found this interesting. How this works I have no idea since malaria is a parasitic infection. _________________________ OH, Bonnie McMurray! | |||
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Funny Man |
So true, no real way to know if a full and total quarantine would have been better at stopping a highly contagious disease than everyone loading up with fireworks and meeting up for Chinese New Year. If we are being honest, of course  ______________________________ “I'd like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living.” ― John Wayne | |||
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Fortified with Sleestak |
We won't know actual mortality rate until it's over, and I don't thing that is primary on the mind of caregivers. The fact is when they go on about the amount of critical care beds and equipment available folks have to remember regular seasonal flu has killed 22,000 so far this year and there have been over 370,000 hospitalizations. Now, add covid-19 to this and go ahead and pile on top just the average day to day heart attacks, car accidents, stroke, etc. It really isn't hard to understand that getting on top of this as much as we can is in our best interest. Bed space is finite. Right now the death rate for covid-19 is falling in the US. Of course the fact that New York alone almost doubled it's number of cases in the last 24hours really brings that number down a bit at least in the short term. I have the heart of a lion.......and a lifetime ban from the Toronto Zoo.- Unknown | |||
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safe & sound |
Our little school district just became the first in the State of Missouri to cancel the rest of the school year in its entirety. | |||
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This is interesting if true: "Rome, 13 Mar 19:12 - (Agenzia Nova)- There could be only two people who died from coronavirus in Italy, who had no other pathologies. This is what emerges from the medical records examined so far by the Higher Institute of Health, according to what was reported by the President of the Institute, Silvio Brusaferro, during the press conference held today at the Civil Protection in Rome. "Positive deceased patients have an average of over 80 years - 80.3 to be exact - and are essentially predominantly male," said Brusaferro. "Women are 25.8 percent. The average age of the deceased is significantly higher than the other positive ones. The age groups over 70, with a peak between 80 and 89 years. The majority of these people are carriers of chronic diseases." Italian Deaths ____________________________ "It is easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled." Unknown observer of human behavior. | |||
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Lost |
Someone actually asked about chloroquine during the Trump team's press conference today. I don't remember what the response was. | |||
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| An investment in knowledge pays the best interest |
^^^ Go back to page 165. I suspect tomorrow’s press conference will be covering this topic as a therapeutic recourse is typically easier to accomplish than a vaccine given a number of factors... and may provide some scientific cover to get past the political nature of things. | |||
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| Freethinker |
Thanks. I was familiar with most of that, but not the suspected Chinese connection unless I never focused on it. I imagine that many authors look to spice up their narratives, but 20 to 40 million dead is at the low end of the estimates I’ve see. At some point, though, differences in figures like that become meaningless. And thanks for your comments, Doc H. The one thing I’ll say about this pandemic is that regardless of what we may think is reasonable or unreasonable about the responses it’s led to, it’s not something people today are unlikely to forget in the future. I’ve heard it said countless times that the next big killer isn’t a matter of if, but when, and perhaps this experience will help ensure that the next really dangerous disease won’t kill as many as it would otherwise (hopefully I won’t be around to see for myself). Some friends and I met for a “last supper” recently and we noted that the shortages were not something we in Colorado were accustomed to. We don’t have hurricanes here and although a blizzard might disrupt supply chains, at worst it’s no more than a few days. ► 6.4/93.6 “ Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one’s own understanding without another’s guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one’s own mind without another’s guidance.” — Immanuel Kant | |||
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| Something wild is loose  |
As mentioned quite a few pages back, chloroquine is one of the drugs used in the initial and ongoing trial studies here. It's cheap (about $5 a dose worldwide - with ramp up probably much cheaper), it's - (somewhat) effective - and that depends on several things, not least of which is disease staging, and it's available. It's also not without a long list of side effects, most of which are manageable and minor, but some serious. It's (probably) more effective with other drugs, but it is very promising. We will likely see an announcement early tomorrow on prying the FDA loose from restrictions on its use, and see an effective regimen of therapy proposed, along with possibly some news on vaccine progress. "And gentlemen in England now abed, shall think themselves accursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that fought with us upon Saint Crispin's Day" | |||
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| 10mm is The Boom of Doom  |
Because the FDA has been so Johnny Quick approving Wuhan tests? God Bless and Protect the Once and Future President, Donald John Trump. | |||
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| Lost |
Did you happen to catch how Mr. Trump responded to the question this morning? | |||
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| An investment in knowledge pays the best interest |
Sanofi Pasteur is the largest producer of chloroquine and scaling up manufacturing is far easier than other drugs currently in clinical trials, costing around 5-cents a dose wholesale (not $5). The composition is off-patent so Big Pharma can bring its considerable manufacturing to bear, such as Pfizer which ticked upward today BTW in the market. Even if it wasn’t that obstacle could be ignored but it does create less of a headache. Like Doc H indicated there are potential side effects, the most worrisome of which is overdosing but with the right traceability, packaging and delivery method that should be mitigated. | |||
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| An investment in knowledge pays the best interest |
You mean protecting the American Public from potentially unsafe & inaccurate testing? Sure. | |||
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| Something wild is loose |
Did not see his response, but I imagine it was something on the order of "News tomorrow." "And gentlemen in England now abed, shall think themselves accursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that fought with us upon Saint Crispin's Day" | |||
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Add thermometers to the things you can't find. My daughter needed one today as she is sick and found none to be bought anywhere. Collecting dust. | |||
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| Something wild is loose |
 My bad - .05 worldwide, $5 in the US. We'll get the international discount I'm sure... "And gentlemen in England now abed, shall think themselves accursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that fought with us upon Saint Crispin's Day" | |||
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