Can we get back on topic?


I keep hearing that people are passing away due to "complications caused by COVID-19". Could someone either explain to me why they keep saying that, or at least link me to where this is all laid out? I tried scanning some of the pages in this thread, but, let's be honest, it's an emotional shit show.

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Originally posted by TAllen01:
Trump just needs to get someone in there who will just say 10,000 deaths in U.S., maximum, end of story.

I’d be really surprised if you get anyone with any credibility to say that. They’d have to be a fool. Sure it is possible, and we all hope the number ends up being less than that. However, we don’t know (and neither do they) and one would have to be an idiot to say something that black and white that could very easily be wrong. That would as stupid as the statements to which you’re objecting.
A better answer would be to avoid predicting. “I’m a doctor, not a fortune teller.” “We are working to minimize the damage of the pandemic to the best of our ability, but there will be some damage.” Then shut up and exit stage left.

Will everyone posting in this thread take a very large chill pill and go work your frustrations and worries out at the range. You can't do anything about the situation but worry,bitch and fight among yourselves.

I learned a long time ago not to worry about anything you have no control over. Take whatever precautions you feel are necessary and chill and go on with your life.

I'm in a high risk age group, heart problems, diabetes, etc. So is my wife who has severe asthma. Are we concerned? Yes. Are we in a state of panic or extremely worried? NO. Do we miss our grandkids ? Yes. But disease bearing grand demons have no business being around us as their parents are still working everyday in healthcare, law enforcement or gov't positions.

Today was a beautiful spring day here in Georgia. I went to the local outdoor range this afternoon and was the only person there other than a maintenance worker cutting grass.

Most ranges, either outdoor or indoor are probably mostly empty. The new gun owners have little to no ammo. Everyone here should have plenty. Go burn some of it up and enjoy yourself for a while.

The sky might be tilted a little bit but it ain't going to fall.

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Originally posted by TAllen01:
Trump just needs to get someone in there who will just say 10,000 deaths in U.S., maximum, end of story.

I know it's a highly radical idea, but how about keeping the grotesque estimates out of it? These body count numbers should not be thrown about, especially since they're WAGs. Fauci says 100K, Birx says 200K. They should stop mind-fucking the American public with these (almost certainly wrong IMO) horifying guesses to which we're being subjected.

The only thing this macabre exercise accomplishes is further terrifying already terrified people who don't know enough to question what they're being told.

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[W]e have been fucked while bone dry by a dead overcooked soup bat

In days to come, should a statue ever be raised to warn future generations of what happened here today, these words and these words alone will be the only ones worthy to be inscribed in that statue's base.

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Originally posted by Veeper:
Can we get back on topic?


I keep hearing that people are passing away due to "complications caused by COVID-19". Could someone either explain to me why they keep saying that, or at least link me to where this is all laid out? I tried scanning some of the pages in this thread, but, let's be honest, it's an emotional shit show.

The Prettiest and Simplest Coronavirus Explainer

Yeah, "complications"

In this instance, that means "cooking the numbers"

By God, we're gonna juice those coronavirus death numbers by including people who were already on their way out and we're gonna MEET THAT GOAL!! That quarterly sales award will be ours, baby!! Aruba, here we come!!

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Originally posted by bubbatime:
200,000 deaths is a very reasonable best case guess. 2 million is a very reasonable worst case guess.

Do you think they just pull numbers out of thin air? Or is there a hundred years of epidemiology knowledge that they use to make best guestimations.

I love the way this guy claims the authority to proclaim the estimate is reasonable, like he has intimate knowledge of the junk that was assumed in the model, like the British model that was revised down from 500,000 to 20,000. Which one of those numbers is reasonable, Bubba? I'd feel much more comfortable with your blessing.

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Originally posted by Veeper:
I keep hearing that people are passing away due to "complications caused by COVID-19". Could someone either explain to me why they keep saying that, or at least link me to where this is all laid out? I tried scanning some of the pages in this thread, but, let's be honest, it's an emotional shit show.

Back on page 267 (second post), 220-9er posted a link to a doctor’s rather colorful description of how the disease kills. Basically, it makes it way to your lungs and if it gets the best of your immune system destroys your lungs. You may die of pneumonia, sepsis, kidney failure, cardiac arrest, or some other organ failure caused by the organs failing because they aren’t getting the oxygen that they need. It doesn’t sound pretty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...-qM&feature=youtu.be

I much preferred the video that 41 posted about halfway down page 265 of Dr. Vladimir Zelenko being interviewed by Rudy Giuliani about his great success treating COVID-19 patients with a cocktail of hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin. A lot more upbeat. Video at bottom of article.

https://techstartups.com/2020/...e-zinc-z-pak-update/

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Originally posted by cwelch:
Will everyone posting in this thread take a very large chill pill and go work your frustrations and worries out at the range.

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Most ranges, either outdoor or indoor are probably mostly empty. The new gun owners have little to no ammo. Everyone here should have plenty. Go burn some of it up and enjoy yourself for a while.

The sky might be tilted a little bit but it ain't going to fall.

Unfortunately you're right. For many of us the ranges are empty. They're closed. We're not allowed to go there. We can't go anywhere except the grocery store.

Three more deaths in Oregon today; two 91 year olds and an 80 year old. That brings us to 16 total with a median age of 77.5 years.

https://www.oregonlive.com/cor...ses-surpass-600.html

a second update to tracking Cuomo's prediction of 24 Mar



The numbers are increasing but not as fast as Cuomo originally predicted.

The predicted "peak resource use" date is on 9 April 2020 for NY

The NY fatality rate has risen to 2%.

I've just got to say the no visitors policy at the hospital right now is an absolute godsend!

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Originally posted by slosig:
I much preferred the video that 41 posted about halfway down page 265 of Dr. Vladimir Zelenko being interviewed by Rudy Giuliani about his great success treating COVID-19 patients with a cocktail of hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin. A lot more upbeat. Video at bottom of article.

https://techstartups.com/2020/...e-zinc-z-pak-update/

hell yeah.

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Last Wednesday, we published the success story from Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, a board-certified family practitioner in New York, after he successfully treated 350 coronavirus patients with 100 percent success using a cocktail of drugs: hydroxychloroquine, in combination with azithromycin (Z-Pak), an antibiotic to treat secondary infections, and zinc sulfate. Dr. Zelenko said he saw the symptom of shortness of breath resolved within four to six hours after treatment.

Now, Dr. Zelenko provides updates on the treatment after he successfully treated 699 COVID-19 patients in New York. In an exclusive interview with former New York Mayor, Rudy Giuliani, Dr. Vladmir Zelenko shares the results of his latest study, which showed that out of his 699 patients treated, zero patients died, zero patients intubated, and four hospitalizations.

Dr. Zelenko said the whole treatment costs only $20 over a period of 5 days with 100% success. He defines success as “Not to die.” Dr. Zelenko first posted his Facebook video message last week calling on President Trump to “advise the country that they should be taking this medication.”

Pinko prick.

NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio threatens to permanently shut down churches, synagogues if they don't comply with gov't order 'You've been warned'

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is threatening to permanently close churches and synagogues that do not comply with his order to stop gathering during the coronavirus outbreak.

De Blasio's dark warning came Friday, hours before Jews meet for their weekly Shabbat gatherings.

"I want to say to all those who are preparing the potential of religious services this weekend — if you go to your synagogue, if you go to your church and attempt to hold services after having been told so often not to, our enforcement agents will have no choice but to shut down those services," de Blasio said.

"The NYPD, Fire Department, Buildings Department, and everyone has been instructed that if they see worship services going on, they will go to the officials of that congregation, they'll inform them they need to stop the services and disperse," de Blasio explained.

"If that does not happen, they will take additional action up to the point of fines and potentially closing the building permanently," de Blasio continued. "You've been warned, you need to stop services, help people practice their faith in different ways, but not in groups, not in gatherings that could endanger people."

Like most of America, New York City is under a shelter-in-place order. New York City officials have said they will enforce the order, even if it means arresting violators.

The Big Apple is America's COVID-19 hotspot, with more than 33,000 confirmed cases of the virus and nearly 800 deaths as of Monday morning.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/...mply-with-govt-order

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Originally posted by bald1:
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Fauci and Birx are Deep State operatives. Unelected elites who are self anointed experts whose words are touted as golden. If memory serves Fauci was a full bore Hillary supporter too.

They are wielding far too much influence and power in this virus fight. Can 'em both!

They are certainly lifetime, career government hacks who have fallen in love with themselves and with all the attention they are getting. It is absolutely irresponsible to be spouting all these huge predictions when they actually don't know shit about what it will end up being. It serves no purpose other than to panic people and give more excuse for even more government control over our lives. Just ask them...they are the elites and only they know what is best for us peons, right?

I don't recall how many pages ago it was but remember these doctors' predictions are made on facts they know and scientific models, just like the weatherman. They're never wrong are they? And if a player hits .300 in the majors he's a big deal. Only fails 70% of the time. I doubt the doctors are hitting much better than .300. But I'll play along since I'm able and at risk. But I'm not overly concerned.....yet.

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Originally posted by Keystoner:

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Originally posted by bubbatime:
200,000 deaths is a very reasonable best case guess. 2 million is a very reasonable worst case guess.

Do you think they just pull numbers out of thin air? Or is there a hundred years of epidemiology knowledge that they use to make best guestimations.

I love the way this guy claims the authority to proclaim the estimate is reasonable, like he has intimate knowledge of the junk that was assumed in the model, like the British model that was revised down from 500,000 to 20,000. Which one of those numbers is reasonable, Bubba? I'd feel much more comfortable with your blessing.

About as interesting as you having the authority to claim they are not. Oh and on the 500k to 20k change, did you read the link in the article that went to another article that linked to what the what actually said? Yeah, you might want to do that before throwing around those numbers.

These unelected (and in some cases, elected) officials suffer no consequences for being wrong or the havoc the create. None. I have long opined that all government officials-politicians, police, fire, law enforcement must be required to pay from their own pockets a version of “malpractice” insurance to cover their misdeeds.

In this situation, I’m not sure it would help...how would killing the United States’ economy be a covered event? Who would have purchased a $2,000,000,000,000.00 policy?

For a moment, can we focus on the other side of the coin? How are your families doing? Do you know anyone personally that has been confirmed infected? Are you using this time at home to enjoy your loved ones? As painful and ridiculous as this "pandemic" has been blown out to be, you can still make the best of it.

I know personally know of one infected case. She spent 4 days in the hospital and was released. I've used the time to enjoy my kids and hang out outside, despite the pollen. Work wise, I'm not sure how long I'll keep my job because my company was already very soft from poor management, but I'm keeping busy and doing what I can. I've been cooking my butt off which has been extremely enjoyable.