Just an old Amazon cardboard box , 2nd day .

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by gearhounds:

I'd still be careful; whistleblowers in China claim reinfection can occur and possibly be worse than the first go around. Glad you're getting over it.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/19/...ction-even-deadlier/

That would go against every law of virology that we now know. I don't believe it.

Who's "we"? This is not unheard of, dengue fever is an example.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
I am so lucky! Today in my e-mail was an offer to buy a miracle oil that cures C19.
Wonder how such a vital offer wound up in my spam file?

I had been thinking about buying 1000 little sample bottles of Jim Beam, relable them with Duck tape and a Sharpie. Hydroxie Cloro Queen 86 proof, selling them at the Flea Market.. . Drink 4 or 5 of those and your problems will fade away. Just need a tux and a top hat.

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Originally posted by holdem:
However, do those in charge really want to go after Freedom of Assembly and Freedom of Religion at the same time?

That is not a fight I would ever, ever pick.

You might not want to pick it, but it is a fight that authorities and societies have picked—and won—countless times in the past.

Something that everyone should understand these days is that groups and societies have had a fundamental interest in regulating public health matters probably since we and our evolutionary ancestors realized that disease could be transmitted from one of its members to another. The earliest laws we know of included provisions relating to public health, and that includes religious texts like the various bibles and the Qur’an. Societies have always regulated and infringed upon the activities of their individual members that could endanger the rest, and always will.

And those regulations and their enforcement are firmly established and approved of by our judicial system. I am no judge, but I would bet a whole bag of nickels that any challenge to a legitimate public health order would be all but laughed out of any court in the land.

I’m not going to get into the debates over whether these orders and measures are warranted, but do governments have the authority to impose such orders and measures? Yes, like it or not, they do. As for the rights mentioned above, the right to practice our religion and to freely assemble however we want has been limited in countless prior ways. If we didn’t know that before, now is a good time to learn.

I see so many charts and data posted here and on news pages based on "modeling" done by these talking heads and so called experts. Models are just that...models and are not very accurate and are depending on how one interprets, or adds or omits certain factors. Look at all the weather models.....they are always all over the place and rarely correct so I do not automatically believe these experts being trotted out to spout figures and data with all the doom and gloom.
Now, is this serious?.....yes, especially in the NY, NJ and Conn. areas that have 56% of all the cases in the country. So spreading the rest out over the remainder of the country it is not the total catastrophe being hyped and magnified. Our state, for example has around 1300 confirmed cases but only 6 fatalities spread over 100 counties and 10.5 million people, yet our idiot liberal governor is shutting down the entire states economy for another month and creating panic and hoarding like many other areas of the country. It will take years to recover from the damage being done while our freedoms are being totally violated by these dictatorial beauracrats

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Originally posted by rainman64:
While you guys are tossing numbers around, keep in mind, there are deaths that impact us due to Covid-19.
I just learned yesterday, my friend and musician, Lou Kouvaris died from Corona related illness.
He was 66.
Inducted into Heavy Metal Hall of Fame in January.
He was in NY.

Article here:
http://www.metalunderground.co...ls.cfm?newsid=147038

He was a super great guy, and he and I were planning to meet after the summer.

He was a big fan of my coffee.

Shine on Lou.

Sorry for your loss - I enjoyed that "Swords & Tequila" tune !!

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Something that everyone should understand these days is that groups and societies have had a fundamental interest in regulating public health matters probably since we and our evolutionary ancestors realized that disease could be transmitted from one of its members to another. The earliest laws we know of included provisions relating to public health, and that includes religious texts like the various bibles and the Qur’an. Societies have always regulated and infringed upon the activities of their individual members that could endanger the rest, and always will.

Right you are.

The preamble sets forth the purpose of our government:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Arguably these restrictions both provide for the common defense AND promote the general Welfare.

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Originally posted by David Lee:

Give all 86,000 of us a pint of your blood..

I'll gladly donate some blood for research when I'm fully recovered.

Tony.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by slosig:
This was only posted several times, starting probably 50 pages ago.

It was posted twice on the previous page after konata's post.

Yeah, I deleted my post as it wasn’t adding anything and was obnoxious. Apologies to konata88.

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Originally posted by konata88:
Thanks SDY, SF. Interesting data. Chinese site? Still, interesting data. Seems consistent w/ high level state data.

Read the intro to site. 4th line of the header.Its by 1st gen immigrants.

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Originally posted by benny6:
I'll gladly donate some blood for research when I'm fully recovered.
Tony.

How do you suspect you were infected?

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Originally posted by benny6:
Well, it's official. I tested positive for coronavirus. Today marks the first day I haven't required any fever reducer, so I'm at the end of it already. The worst was a week ago when I was miserable and immobile.

The good news is that once I'm done with this, I'll be immune. My symptoms only got better every day.

Tony.

Damn... Really glad you're kicking it's ass.

from Johns Hopkins Hospital...


▪ The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.
▪ Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.
▪ The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam).

By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.
▪ HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 77 degrees Fahrenheit for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.
▪ Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.
▪ Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.
▪ Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.
▪ NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive.
▪ NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only
-between 3 hours (fabric and porous),
-4 hours (copper and wood)
-24 hours (cardboard),
▪ 42 hours (metal) and -72 hours (plastic).

But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.
▪ The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars.

They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.
▪ UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin.
▪ The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.
▪ Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.
▪ NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.
▪ LISTERINE IF IT SERVES! It is 65% alcohol.
▪ The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.
▪ You have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom.
▪ You have to Moisturize dry hands from so much washing them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.
▪ Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.

-JOHNS HOPKINS HOSPITAL

Not from Johns Hopkins per this;

https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch...pkins-covid-summary/

Is that actually from Johns Hopkins? Looks like a cut and paste email...

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Originally posted by Keystoner:

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Originally posted by benny6:
I'll gladly donate some blood for research when I'm fully recovered.
Tony.

How do you suspect you were infected?

I suspect from my son. He stayed home a couple of days before the schools were shut down for swollen tonsils and a scratchy throat. The mother of one of his classmates is a nurse at the hospital that had the first confirmed COVID-19 case in Oregon.

The following week, during school closures, I spent the mornings with my son homeschooling him until noon every day. If he was a carrier, I was the closest person he had regular contact with.

The other possibility was that I got it from a restaurant. My wife and I had our last date before the restaurants were ordered to close at Margarita Factory. The next day or two after that, restaurants were ordered to use take-out only.

Both of those scenarios fit the timeline from exposure to infection.

Tony.

I was wondering about that dissertation. It's a matter of controversy whether viruses are living organisms or not. Some say yes, others say no. They possess some of the qualities of life, e.g. the ability to reproduce (using a host cell's genetic machinery). But some they lack, for example a cellular structure.

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Something that everyone should understand these days is that groups and societies have had a fundamental interest in regulating public health matters probably since we and our evolutionary ancestors realized that disease could be transmitted from one of its members to another. The earliest laws we know of included provisions relating to public health, and that includes religious texts like the various bibles and the Qur’an. Societies have always regulated and infringed upon the activities of their individual members that could endanger the rest, and always will.

And those regulations and their enforcement are firmly established and approved of by our judicial system. I am no judge, but I would bet a whole bag of nickels that any challenge to a legitimate public health order would be all but laughed out of any court in the land.

I’m not going to get into the debates over whether these orders and measures are warranted, but do governments have the authority to impose such orders and measures? Yes, like it or not, they do. As for the rights mentioned above, the right to practice our religion and to freely assemble however we want has been limited in countless prior ways. If we didn’t know that before, now is a good time to learn.

Something I thought would be better understood here.

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Originally posted by kkina:
I was wondering about that dissertation. It's a matter of controversy whether viruses are living organisms or not. Some say yes, others say no. They possess some of the qualities of life, e.g. the ability to reproduce (using a host cell's genetic machinery). But some they lack, for example a cellular structure.

I was told in middle school biology class they are not considered life, but they do share some characteristics of life, just not enough to fully fit the definition of life. Good old days of punnet sqares a drooling over my first crush.