Seems I know two people with it in NJ.

Last night, I found out a long time friend, training partner, and elite athlete was on a ventilator for the past two weeks. Barely survived, he’s supposed to have 30% reduced lung function now. This guy was as healthy as they come. 38 year old triathlete, rower, and Iron man competitor.

My other friend is still in isolation at the hospital. He hasn’t returned any texts since yesterday morning.

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Those mathematical models rely on a number of 'statistical values' that have been 'estimated' from observations of this pandemic.

Sooo, 'Guesstimates'....Just like Climate Change!

And this is exactly why I would like to see some of these executive orders issued by various Governors challenged in the highest courts.

What is to stop AOC in 20 years from issuing similar executive orders because of climate change models? It's a slippery slope. There was simply no reliable data to support an order to shelter in place.

Maladaptive my problem with the reporting and Fauci in particular is thus. The models are only as good as the inputs. The inputs are lagging. So when the data churns out, Fauci parrots one item and the media only prints one item. The statistical high. The classic worst case scenario. Fauci and every statistician out there know the probability of hitting that high number is a slim as hitting the low number. Those graphs also come with probabilities. The most likely number is much more toward the lower numbers. Does he point this out? Doesn’t appear to. So instead a steady stream of mathematically unlikely numbers are passed off under conditional language so nobody is actually lying. It’s like saying Pars’s comet may hit this week. Totally true statement. Wildly off the mark but possible.

Responsible reporting would ask those follow up question. They would question the expert. Make him sweat a bit. Doesn’t happen. Cause the fear sells.

CBS News Busted Using Overwhelmed Italian Hospital Video During Report About New York City

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...eport-about-new-york

It appears as thought the onset of a global pandemic and the ensuing carnage that it has wrought around the United States isn't sensational enough for one newsmedia outlet, which was caught this week faking footage of a New York City emergency room dealing with the coronavirus outbreak.

Internet sleuths started to piece together a video clip from CBS on a report about the outbreak in New York, which was then picked up by the Gateway Pundit. The report about New York City used a video clip of an Italian hospital, seemingly overwhelmed with capacity.



“This is the main hospital in Bergamo, in Lombardy province. It’s one of the most advanced hospitals in Europe,” Sky News reported at the time.

And this is the footage that CBS chose to air on March 25, while talking about New York City being the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in the U.S.:



CBS released a statement on Monday, admitting to the "mistake" and saying that they had taken "...immediate steps to remove it from all platforms and shows."

Ramius I hope your friend gets better.

My theory in life, having drifted around the fitness world from fantastic shape to good shape and back and forth is thus. When people get to elite shape they seem to be more susceptible to injury illness than the next step down in fitness. Anecdotal yes, but I think the human body has a sweet spot. Ultra athletics isn’t the sweet spot. Carrying a slightly highly body fat and not taking workouts to the extremes give the body extra tolerances when illness or injury occur. Just my observations from watching the elite athletes in my life. Kind of the moderation in everything idea. Extremes are just that extreme.

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Maladaptive my problem with the reporting and Fauci in particular is thus. The models are only as good as the inputs. The inputs are lagging. So when the data churns out, Fauci parrots one item and the media only prints one item. The statistical high. The classic worst case scenario. Fauci and every statistician out there know the probability of hitting that high number is a slim as hitting the low number. Those graphs also come with probabilities. The most likely number is much more toward the lower numbers. Does he point this out? Doesn’t appear to. So instead a steady stream of mathematically unlikely numbers are passed off under conditional language so nobody is actually lying. It’s like saying Pars’s comet may hit this week. Totally true statement. Wildly off the mark but possible.

Responsible reporting would ask those follow up question. They would question the expert. Make him sweat a bit. Doesn’t happen. Cause the fear sells.

Cute name-calling.

If you look at my post at the top of this page, I said "with the understanding of what they actually mean and their limitations (which the media does not seem particularly interested in communicating)."

The TV media reporting of the epidemiological models has been pretty useless. If you dig around online, you can find much better reporting on the models, including error ranges and probability estimates, and even the scientific papers describing the models themselves if you want to look at them.

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Just like them Climate change models, right?

I don't believe those either.

But I did teach the boys to swim, just in case.

Did you also quit your job and move to the highest peak in North America?

Continental or hemisphere?

CNN's Chris Cuomo Diagnosed With Coronavirus

https://www.zerohedge.com/heal...r-diagnosed-covid-19

CNN anchor Chris Cuomo has been diagnosed with COVID-19, the network said in a memo to employees on Tuesday.

^^^In the words of DJT....Really, that's too bad!

Relax maladat it autocorrected so get over yourself.

As for legitimate charts and graphs and interpretations of said charts you just made my point. You have to go searching for that, the media ignores it. The average American eats up the skewed data without question.

When the msm starts posting the whole truthful picture I will stop complaining. I won’t hold my breath for that though.

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Expert, someone that knows a LOT about very little...

I was once told that ex meant former and a spurt was a drip under pressure.

My brother and his family were under quarantine for a bit. His sister in law works a DR office in Montgomery. The Doc got sick and had a positive test. The others in the office got tested. 3 were positive.

The Doctor is very sick. The others that tested positive had slight symptoms. His SIL was negative.

My other brothers wife and her sister bothe were negative. They are medical professionals and had fever/respiratory infections.

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Also, curious about the spring break locations - did they spike in incidence rates after the spring break invasions?

If it is happening in and around Orlando, it is not being reported.

Since Disney and Universal did not close until EOB on Sunday, March 15th, I thought we would see a spike by now.

If the theory holds that this virus dies off in warmer weather, maybe that is why?

Our lowest high for the entire month was 72 degrees. There were only 6 days in the entire month that did not break 80 degrees. It has been an exceptionally warm and sunny March.

As for the people at the beach, they were mostly younger. And it seems to be established that those in that age bracket are more likely to suffer only mild symptoms. Maybe they are mild enough that they are not getting tested and no one knows they ever had it?

Uh Oh, FREDO Cuomo has got THE VIRUS!!!!!

"That's not a fart, Fredo, that's not a fart!"

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CBS News Busted Using Overwhelmed Italian Hospital Video During Report About New York City

Yup. when the data does not fit the story, the solution is clear . . .

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"Brooks Brothers to make up to 150K surgical masks per day." CNBC 3/31/20

That's more than GM. I feel better now.

Folks will prolly want those so they can be protected and look sharp.

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CBS News Busted Using Overwhelmed Italian Hospital Video During Report About New York City

Yup. when the data does not fit the story, the solution is clear . . .

Just drove 70 miles ( one way ) to get two bales of Costco t.p. that the Coralville store got in this a.m., not for me, I'am setting pretty. Just in case one of the elderly folks are in need. I feel bad for them, they are not supposed to be out and about, but most stores are either totally out or have set limit's.

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Just drove 70 miles ( one way ) to get two bales of Costco t.p. that the Coralville store got in this a.m., not for me, I'am setting pretty. Just in case one of the elderly folks are in need. I feel bad for them, they are not supposed to be out and about, but most stores are either totally out or have set limit's.