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Something that everyone should understand these days is that groups and societies have had a fundamental interest in regulating public health matters probably since we and our evolutionary ancestors realized that disease could be transmitted from one of its members to another. The earliest laws we know of included provisions relating to public health, and that includes religious texts like the various bibles and the Qur’an. Societies have always regulated and infringed upon the activities of their individual members that could endanger the rest, and always will.

And those regulations and their enforcement are firmly established and approved of by our judicial system. I am no judge, but I would bet a whole bag of nickels that any challenge to a legitimate public health order would be all but laughed out of any court in the land.

I’m not going to get into the debates over whether these orders and measures are warranted, but do governments have the authority to impose such orders and measures? Yes, like it or not, they do. As for the rights mentioned above, the right to practice our religion and to freely assemble however we want has been limited in countless prior ways. If we didn’t know that before, now is a good time to learn.

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Originally posted by kkina:
I was wondering about that dissertation. It's a matter of controversy whether viruses are living organisms or not. Some say yes, others say no. They possess some of the qualities of life, e.g. the ability to reproduce (using a host cell's genetic machinery). But some they lack, for example a cellular structure.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
I am so lucky! Today in my e-mail was an offer to buy a miracle oil that cures C19.
Wonder how such a vital offer wound up in my spam file?

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
Northam issues shelter in place order for next 2.5 MONTHS.
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EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER FIFTY-FIVE(2020)TEMPORARY STAY AT HOME ORDER DUE TO NOVEL CORONAVIRUS (COVID-19)

To reinforce the Commonwealth’s response to COVID-19 and in furtherance of Executive Orders 51 (March 12, 2020) and 53 (March 23, 2020) and by virtue of the authority vested in me by Article V, Section 7 of the Constitution of Virginia, by §44-146.17of the Code of Virginia, I order the following:

1. All individuals in Virginia shall remain at their place of residence, except as provided below by this Order and Executive Order 53. To the extent individuals use shared or outdoor spaces, whether on land or on water, they must at all times maintain social distancing of at least six feet from any other person, with the exception of family or household members or caretakers. Individuals may leave their residences for the purpose of:

a. Obtaining food, beverages, goods, or services as permitted in Executive Order 53;

b. Seeking medical attention, essential social services, governmental services, assistance from law enforcement, or emergency services;

c. Taking care of other individuals, animals, or visiting the home of a family member;

d. Traveling required by court order or to facilitate child custody, visitation, or child care;

e. Engaging in outdoor activity, including exercise, provided individuals comply with social distancing requirements;

f. Traveling to and from one’s residence, place of worship, or work;

g. Traveling to and from an educational institution;

h. Volunteering with organizations that provide charitable or social services; and

i. Leaving one’s residence due to a reasonable fear for health or safety, at the direction of law enforcement, or at the direction of another government agency.

2. All public and private in-person gatherings of more than ten individuals are prohibited. This includes parties, celebrations, religious, or other social events, whether they occur indoor or outdoor. This restriction does not apply:

a. To the operation of businesses not required to close to the public under Executive Order 53; or

b. To the gathering of family members living in the same residence.

3. Institutions of higher education shall cease all in-person classes and instruction, and cancel all gatherings of more than ten individuals. For purposes of facilitating remote learning, performing critical research,or performing essential functions,institutions of higher education may continue to operate, provided that social distancing requirements are maintained.

4. Effective April 1, 2020at 11:59 p.m., cessation of all reservations for overnight stays of less than 14 nights at all privately-owned campgrounds, as defined in § 35.1-1 of the Code of Virginia.

5. Closure of all public beaches as defined in §10.1-705 of the Code of Virginia for all activity, except exercising and fishing. Social distancing requirements must be followed.

6. All relevant state agencies shall continue to work with all housing partners to execute strategies to protect the health, safety, and well-being of Virginians experiencing homelessness during this pandemic and to assist Virginians in avoiding evictions or foreclosures.

7. As provided in Executive Order 53, nothing in this Order shall limit:

(a) the provision of health care or medical services;
(b) access to essential services for low-income residents, such as food banks;
(c) the operations of the media;
(d) law enforcement agencies; or
(e) the operation of government.

Violation of paragraphs 2, 3, 4, and 5 of this Order shall be a Class 1 misdemeanor [one year in jail, plus a $2,500 fine] pursuant to § 44-146.17 of the Code of Virginia.

Effective Date of this Executive Order

This Executive Order shall be effective March 30, 2020, amends Amended Order of the Governor and State Health Commissioner Declaration of Public Health Emergency, Order of Public Health Emergency One and Executive Order 53,and shall remain in full force and in effect until June 10, 2020, unless amended or rescinded by further executive order. Given under my hand and under the Seal of the Commonwealth of Virginia, this 30th day of March, 2020.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
Gettin' testy down in Florida:

Arrest Warrant issued for Tampa megachurch pastor who held service after Stay At Home was ordered...

Something something Lead Balloon....

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Originally posted by benny6:
Well, it's official. I tested positive for coronavirus. Today marks the first day I haven't required any fever reducer, so I'm at the end of it already. The worst was a week ago when I was miserable and immobile.

The good news is that once I'm done with this, I'll be immune. My symptoms only got better every day.

Tony.

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Originally posted by gearhounds:

I'd still be careful; whistleblowers in China claim reinfection can occur and possibly be worse than the first go around. Glad you're getting over it.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/19/...ction-even-deadlier/

That would go against every law of virology that we now know. I don't believe it.

Not exactly... There are reports of the virus mutating into multiple strains, and infection with one strain of a virus doesn't necessarily confer immunity to another.

That's why you can get the flu shot every year, and still get the flu... and then get the flu again.

With that said, there haven't been many reports of reinfection and the medical community seems to mostly be of the opinion that the rare apparent instances of reinfection are most likey actually relapses (i.e., the person seemed to get better, but wasn't actually completely over the infection, and then got worse again).

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Originally posted by Anush:
Not from Johns Hopkins per this;

https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch...pkins-covid-summary/

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Originally posted by bcereuss:
If Congress thinks a check for $1,200 will fix this, they haven't got a goddamned clue. What is needed is zero tax collection for all of CY2020, with the fed.gov and state.gov and local.gov giving back every penny of tax revenue collected thus far.

What? You expect government bureaucrats, et al, to live by their rules?

Rest assured, tax collection will not cease and government workers will get paid.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
My Mother would have attacked the virus the same way she did with any gaping injury I sustained. By pouring it full of Mercurochrome. That and Vap-O-Rub was a guaranteed cure.

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Originally posted by bcereuss:
If Congress thinks a check for $1,200 will fix this, they haven't got a goddamned clue. What is needed is zero tax collection for all of CY2020, with the fed.gov and state.gov and local.gov giving back every penny of tax revenue collected thus far.

What? You expect government bureaucrats, et al, to live by their rules?

Rest assured, tax collection will not cease and government workers will get paid.

They, after all, are our overlords.

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Originally posted by rainman64:
While you guys are tossing numbers around, keep in mind, there are deaths that impact us due to Covid-19.
I just learned yesterday, my friend and musician, Lou Kouvaris died from Corona related illness.
He was 66.
Inducted into Heavy Metal Hall of Fame in January.
He was in NY.

Article here:
http://www.metalunderground.co...ls.cfm?newsid=147038

He was a super great guy, and he and I were planning to meet after the summer.

He was a big fan of my coffee.

Shine on Lou.