https://www.breitbart.com/euro...mic-three-years-ago/

The British government was made aware three years ago that the National Health Service (NHS) would be overwhelmed in the event of a severe pandemic, yet it kept the findings secret from the public and failed to implement reforms before the coronavirus outbreak.

In October 2016, a cross-government test under the codenamed Exercise Cygnus was performed to study how the NHS, the British Medical Association, and the military would handle a major influenza outbreak.

The results of the test found that the NHS did not have the required “surge capacity” to cope with a pandemic and that the system would require thousands of additional critical care beds during a crisis. Failures in the supply chain of personal protective equipment (PPE) for medical staff were discovered as well, according to The Telegraph.

The test also found that doctors would have to develop a “battlefield” mentality, choosing which patients should receive care based on the likelihood of them surviving. Bosses at the NHS would have to “switch off” large parts of the healthcare system and it was suggested that even midwives would have to abandon their duty of delivering babies and join the pandemic effort.

“It’s basically a lack of attention to what would be needed to prevent a disease like this from overwhelming the system. All the flexibility has been pared away so it’s difficult to react quickly. Nothing is ready to go,” the source said.

“These exercises are supposed to prepare government for something like this — but it appears they were aware of the problem but didn’t do much about it,” the source added

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"All the flexibility has been pared away so it’s difficult to react quickly."

That is an area we should pay attention to in the future. When a massive medical emergency occurs, we shouldn't be bogged down in regulations and procedures that take a year to come up w solutions.

This is more about government healthcare...

I just spoke to a good friend in Spain...his Father died of corona virus.

His Father was 76 and in great health...he even still worked from time to time but was mostly enjoying retirement.

He started not feeling well and by day three went to the ER. There he was deemed "non essential" for ICU or a ventilator since he was old and on government insurance. He was basically taken to a ward to die. And did two days later.

My friend did not get to be with him or say goodbye...he just got a call he had passed.

That is so sad...

My friend said anyone on government healthcare are getting set aside for those who can pay and those who have private insurance set ups. Im sure age plays into this as well.

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I wish the reports would contain information about pre-existing conditions like age, diabetes, obesity, previously compromised immunity, stuff like that. My reading leads me to believe that the majority of these people are already in poor health and they can't fight off the addition of COVID-19.

Someone mentioned that Joe Diffie the country artist who just recently died had been suffering from other health related issues for sometime.

I just spent sometime searching and cannot find anything referencing any other health complications related to him other than covid.
Neither are they saying he was a perfectly healthy 61 year old who contracted covid, was hospitalized due to covid and subsequently dies from just the covid alone.

So either past health issues have been scrubbed and they are just not reporting them or he was the perfectly otherwise healthy 61 year old who contracted covid 19 and died from it but reports don't seem to quite say that either.

A good reminder from CTH about what is truly important

https://theconservativetreehou...ll-pass/#more-187806

snips:

Thankfully as a nation this crisis is causing us to reevaluate our priorities: faith, family, community and freedom; and seeing the easy dispatch of liberty also reignites that oft forgotten flickering flame…

Journalists are less important than janitors. Our nation’s best athletes are healthcare workers rushing to assist those in need. The true heroes are not celebrities , but rather farmers, truck drivers, stock clerks, and supermarket cashiers.

The most valuable businesses do not glitter or present themselves with self-congratulatory award shows; they do today what they have always done to keep our food supply flowing. Perhaps now, at least for a few short weeks, we stop taking them for granted.

Effective right now comfortably invisible workers are recognized as critical priorities; or as the government has officially designated them “essential services.” These folks form the network of our lives; they always have, but we didn’t notice. Everything else is less than.

Any average hard-working American is worth more today than all those who chase the golden statues of Hollywood; and ultimately if they want to go down the superiority path… well, what they provide is essentially useless.

If you feel comfortable sitting in your socially distant box and bitching about all things that are not right, or might be not be right…. Or, if you prefer to allow yourself to be overcome with dark imaginings simply because what cannot be done is more comfortable than the effort to oversee what needs to be done…. well, that’s okay.

You can do that.

And when you’re done doing that you’ll still be in the same place.

No-one is saying this doesn’t suck; but some people know that standing around bitching about the comparative values of current life in suckdom doesn’t actually accomplish anything.

President Trump is doing what needs to be done; with far more information than me; and in the best manner he can assemble to keep America great. He does this while simultaneously swatting away thousands of piranhas biting at him on an hourly basis.

So again, ask yourself a question: what part are you to play?

Live your best life.

You only have this moment once.

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Originally posted by Patriot:
This is more about government healthcare...

I just spoke to a good friend in Spain...his Father died of corona virus.

His Father was 76 and in great health...he even still worked from time to time but was mostly enjoying retirement.

He started not feeling well and by day three went to the ER. There he was deemed "non essential" for ICU or a ventilator since he was old and on government insurance. He was basically taken to a ward to die. And did two days later.

My friend did not get to be with him or say goodbye...he just got a call he had passed.

That is so sad...

My friend said anyone on government healthcare are getting set aside for those who can pay and those who have private insurance set ups. Im sure age plays into this as well.

That should be a lesson for anyone that thinks socialized medicine is a good thing.

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My friend said anyone on government healthcare are getting set aside for those who can pay and those who have private insurance...
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That should be a lesson for anyone that thinks socialized medicine is a good thing.

Yes... once you have socialized medicine in a country the old and the sick become just a liability to the government.

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Originally posted by bubbatime:
You need to 70% or more of the population to get it to work towards herd immunity. It’s endemic, it’s now seasonal flu, and it ain’t going away.

You and jimmy123 should get together. I think he's in FL too and with the knowledge you both think you have you could likely solve all the worlds problems (at least in your own minds).

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Originally posted by Patriot:
There he was deemed "non essential" for ICU or a ventilator since he was old and on government insurance.

That policy was reported in Italy some time ago at a couple of major hospitals, and I don’t imagine it’s gotten much better yet.

But what do we think will happen in this country if/when doctors have to make decisions about who should be given life-sustaining care? Hopefully it won’t come to that and all the experts here who believe that our systems won’t become overwhelmed with new patients are correct. As my wife and I are also in that “nonessential” category and there are plenty of people who would suffer nothing more than a momentary, “Oh, well; they might have died in an auto accident,” pause, though, that is far from certain at this time.

The more I see in the news about China's keeping this a secret for well over a month, denials of transmissibility, faulty test kits, faulty or flat out misrepresented safety of PPE, clearly false fatality numbers, ETC, the more I have to believe that this is nothing less than a continuing attack on the rest of the world for superiority. These people are a global threat IMO.

I was sent essential employee documentation today.

Since I deal with medical industry components, my company has been deemed essential.

I even got a set from MimakiUSA so I can go and do color adjustments on equipment while their employees are sequestered.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:

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Originally posted by roberth:

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Originally posted by Micropterus:
525 deaths in the US on March 28. Half that yesterday.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

And I saw on CBS just a minute ago that there are no new cases reported yesterday in Great Britain, and significant reduction in the number of deaths.

I wish the reports would contain information about pre-existing conditions like age, diabetes, obesity, previously compromised immunity, stuff like that. My reading leads me to believe that the majority of these people are already in poor health and they can't fight off the addition of COVID-19.

I agree. You have people unfortunately dying of cancer, that are far enough along that they are on morphine in hospice, and they test positive for COVID19 and their cause of death is listed as "complications due to the Corona virus".

Many are listed as the exact cause, with covid19 results just noted, really there is no consistency even among hospitals in the same city.

An excellent explanation from a surgeon to explain what it is, how it works & spreads, how it kills you and the progression.
You can skip the first 5 minutes, mostly about who he is, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...-qM&feature=youtu.be

The first post below quoted for context.

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Originally posted by Patriot:
This is more about government healthcare...

I just spoke to a good friend in Spain...his Father died of corona virus.

His Father was 76 and in great health...he even still worked from time to time but was mostly enjoying retirement.

He started not feeling well and by day three went to the ER. There he was deemed "non essential" for ICU or a ventilator since he was old and on government insurance. He was basically taken to a ward to die. And did two days later.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Yes... once you have socialized medicine in a country the old and the sick become just a liability to the government.

I don't know as socialized medicine has all that much to do with it in this case. Such policies are already in the planning stages right here in good old semi-capitalistic U.S.A. One local hospital system already announced similar probable policies should they become overwhelmed.

It's triage. You apply limited resources to those for which they'd most likely succeed.

Thanks Rogue, that video made me laugh. Too funny.

Armed vigilantes blocked a neighbor's driveway with a tree to force him into quarantine

Folks are losing their minds.

Please, someone remind me of the dates the federal, District of Columbia, Maryland, and West Virginia "stay at home/work at home" directives went into effect and the duration of each.

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Originally posted by Georgeair:
Armed vigilantes blocked a neighbor's driveway with a tree to force him into quarantine

Folks are losing their minds.

Was his name Jusse?

You misspelled Juicy.

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Originally posted by BansheeOne:
Yeah, as I just noted in passing on the healthcare thread I started, we have about 28,000 ICU beds nationally over here, which are currently occupied to 79 percent capacity while we have very few critical COVID cases (the counter at Worldometer has been stuck at two for some days, though I find that a little hard to believe). Which means about 5,900 are free; let's be generous and say 6,000. Assuming that five percent of all cases will need ICU care, demand by other patients will stay the same and there's no capacity increase (though there are plans for that), that means we can afford no more than 120,000 acute infections at any time. And we have gone from 9,300 to 19,600 over the last three days. At this rate, we will be over the threshold in a week.

Well this was nine days ago, and thankfully the various measures seem to have slowed the growth of active cases to the point where they double only every five-and-a-half rather than three or less days. Of course they are still growing towards my calculated threshold of 120,000, though in fact only about 2,000 of 54,000 are currently listed as critical - so 3.7 rather than five percent. Let's say four, and the threshold rises to 150,000 cases the German healthcare system can handle at any point in time.

This theoretically leaves ressources for 96,000 additional cases before we, too, are faced with chosing between patients to give ICU beds. Assuming an average staying time of 14 days in intensive care, this means we could sustain a rate of about 6,800 new infections per day indefinitely. The good news is that so far the peak was a little over 6,900 three days ago - though the lower numbers since then may be because of less testing and reporting on the weekend.

The problem of course is that keeping numbers below that level also requires sustaining the current restrictions until a cure or vaccine is found; though they might be relaxed if daily numbers really drop. The current suggestion is to do that not before case doubling rate is down to ten days.

Meanwhile CFR in Italy is literally up to eleven. However, there's a silver lining as their rate of new cases also peaked nine days ago at a little over 6,500 and has been generally dropping since.

US - 2,616 : 145,531 = 1.8 %

Italy - 11,591 : 101,739 = 11.4 %

Spain - 7,340 : 85,195 = 8.6 %

Germany - 560 : 63,929 = 0.9 %

France - 2,606 : 40,174 = 6.5 %

UK - 1,404 : 22,141 = 6.3 %

Switzerland - 348 : 15,760 = 2.2 %

Belgium - 513 : 11,899 = 4.3 %

Netherlands - 864 : 11,750 = 7.4 %

Turkey - 168 : 10,827 = 1.6 %

South Korea - 158 : 9,661 = 1.6 %

Austria - 108 : 9,520 = 1.1 %

[Canada, Portugal, Norway, Brazil, Israel, Australia]

Sweden - 146 : 4,028 = 3.6 %

those percentages mean nothing as widespread testing is generally not being conducted

plus testing protocols vary from country to country so there is no way to compare accurately

demographics matter too. Italy has an 'old' population. South Korea in comparison does not.

we all want to fall back on statistics for 'good information' but in this situation - currently - the numbers are haphazard at best

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