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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Could this be why a 'vaccinated' person could still catch and transmit?

I won't address the rest of your post, but you do realize there is no vaccine that is 100% effective. Even the current C19 vaccines are 95% effective at best.

Yes, I understand. But the spirit of the supposition was not that you're vaccinated and wear a mask but that you received a placebo and you're not vaccinated at all. They seem like they are trying to cover the former but they are really trying to cover the latter.

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Originally posted by PASig:
So we find out that masks were bullshit all along AND THEY KNEW IT and now it may turn out to be the same for all those Plexiglas sreens and barriers the world is covered in now:

(I guess the Brits call Plexiglas "Perspex")

Did they know this all along too?

I've said this was ALL "Pandemic Safety Theater"

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“Ministers are also being advised that those perspex screens that have appeared in some offices and restaurants are unlikely to have any benefit in terms of preventing transmission,” states the report.

“Problems include them not being positioned correctly, with the possibility that they actually increase the risk of transmission by blocking airflow. Therefore there is clear guidance to ministers that these perspex screens should be scrapped.”

A leaked Whitehall document seen by Politico suggests that perspex screens installed to stop the transmission of COVID-19 may actually have increased its spread

Add to the list of stupid....why 6 feet of social distancing? Why not 3, or 5, or 8, or 10? We now know from the MIT study this 'social distancing BS was utterly useless. 'All' of what we've been fed has been BS from the beginning by a group of government experts (i.e. egotistical pricks) who just couldn't accept the reality they didn't have a clue how to deal with this bug. If people saw them for the impotent losers they really are, government's ability to manipulate the masses as they have over the past year would have disappeared.

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Originally posted by konata88:
They seem like they are trying to cover the former but they are really trying to cover the latter.

Say you're correct. What's the goal or agenda then? I've read wild accusations of this ranging from behavioral modification on a global scale to a geocidal effort at global population control. So what is it?

I don't know. I'm not smart enough. The obvious is power or money. With some academics on the side - gain of function related? Efficacy of mRNA vs GOF enhanced virus? I have no clue. I can't even fathom what's gone on here the past year. All the lies and deception and mandates. But if Gates is involved in this, it seems like he's been experimenting in India already. If so, and for what purpose, I don't know. In any case, it sounded like Gates is persona non grata in India now - something about crippled children I believe.

The entire gain of function explanation is garbage. Your finding ways to make a virus more virulent and lethal. That's called a bio-weapon.

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Could this be why a 'vaccinated' person could still catch and transmit?

I won't address the rest of your post, but you do realize there is no vaccine that is 100% effective. Even the current C19 vaccines are 95% effective at best.

Not even close. How did they arrive at this number. Since the so called vaccines are not designed to keep you from catching or spreading the virus. They are designed to reduce the severity of the symptoms.
So you have a virus where ~60% of people have no symptoms. How do you know?

Want proof that the numbers are completely cooked? Why did the CDC change reporting rules for vacinated people from every infection is a case, to only if you are hospitalized does it count as a case.
Oh and if you are not vaccinated but test positive it still counts as a case.

As to any other statistic given out from the CDC, can anyone with a functioning brain cell believe that the US, with some of the best health care on the planet, has 1/6 of all Covid deaths with ~1/20 of the worlds population?

Just as a point of reference the regular yearly flu that people have been getting vaccinated for decades runs around 50% at best.

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Originally posted by PeteF:

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Could this be why a 'vaccinated' person could still catch and transmit?

I won't address the rest of your post, but you do realize there is no vaccine that is 100% effective. Even the current C19 vaccines are 95% effective at best.

Not even close. How did they arrive at this number. Since the so called vaccines are not designed to keep you from catching or spreading the virus. They are designed to reduce the severity of the symptoms.
So you have a virus where ~60% of people have no symptoms. How do you know?

Want proof that the numbers are completely cooked? Why did the CDC change reporting rules for vacinated people from every infection is a case, to only if you are hospitalized does it count as a case.
Oh and if you are not vaccinated but test positive it still counts as a case.

As to any other statistic given out from the CDC, can anyone with a functioning brain cell believe that the US, with some of the best health care on the planet, has 1/6 of all Covid deaths with ~1/20 of the worlds population?

Just as a point of reference the regular yearly flu that people have been getting vaccinated for decades runs around 50% at best.

It’s worth understanding what the “95% effective” claim means, and doesn’t mean. What this claim means is that 5% of the vaccinated population will still develop COVID. It does not mean that the vaccinated population will have 95% percent fewer cases than the unvaccinated population, or that a person can reduce their chance of getting COVID by 95% by getting vaccinated. The latter is a very common mistake with population-level statistics —- you cannot use them at the individual level.

If you want to know more about these ideas, this is a good resource: https://www.thelancet.com/jour...(21)00069-0/fulltext

Per the article, the vaccinated population has its risk of infection reduced as follows versus the unvaccinated population: 1·3% for the AstraZeneca–Oxford, 1·2% for the Moderna–NIH, and 1·2% for the J&J.

As best as I can tell, deciding whether to get vaccinated comes down to weighing the risk of a bad outcome from COVID against the risk of a bad outcome from the vaccine. Personally, I think both the incidence and severity of bad vaccine reactions are significantly underreported. It also seems that adverse vaccine reactions are inversely correlated with COVID risk (people with a lower COVID risk have worse experiences with the vaccine). I am low risk, and I think the data are far too murky for me justify getting vaccinated, but a rational person in my situation could certainly conclude otherwise and a person at higher COVID risk likely would.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
The entire gain of function explanation is garbage. Your finding ways to make a virus more virulent and lethal. That's called a bio-weapon.

Exactly right.

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Originally posted by DaveL: What this claim means is that 5% of the vaccinated population will still develop COVID.

No, it doesn't. Your linked article doesn't say that. I really don't care if you get vaccinated or not, but your assertion is incorrect.

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As best as I can tell, deciding whether to get vaccinated comes down to weighing the risk of a bad outcome from COVID against the risk of a bad outcome from the vaccine. Personally, I think both the incidence and severity of bad vaccine reactions are significantly underreported. It also seems that adverse vaccine reactions are inversely correlated with COVID risk (people with a lower COVID risk have worse experiences with the vaccine). I am low risk, and I think the data are far too murky for me justify getting vaccinated, but a rational person in my situation could certainly conclude otherwise and a person at higher COVID risk likely would.

Yes.
As long as the government and the media (including big tech media) continue to lie and cover up adverse vaccine reactions I will be a hold-out against this COVID jab.

The bottom line is that I have not yet been convinced that the risk to me from COVID is greater than the risk to me from this vaccine.

They're going all-out to censor anything about HCQ and other alternatives to the jab.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.c...ramble-salvage-site/

"Amerca’s Frontline Doctors, the courageous group of doctors who spoke out against the government’s irresponsible and damaging COVID responses, had their website taken down by Amazon."

I saw this Heineken commercial last night and had to resist throwing something heavy through the TV

Can you see what this goddamn plandemic has turned us all into? A bunch of germaphobes afraid to touch each other:

If you get the vaccine, can you flip another man's meat?

Evidence Ties COVID Vaccines to heart issues in youths

"The vaccines linked to the events are the mRNA vaccines made by Pfizer and Moderna."

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Originally posted by C L Wilkins:
Evidence Ties COVID Vaccines to heart issues in youths

"The vaccines linked to the events are the mRNA vaccines made by Pfizer and Moderna."

If they are writing an article about - it ain't "rare". It's a real problem.

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Originally posted by PASig:
I saw this Heineken commercial last night and had to resist throwing something heavy through the TV

Can you see what this goddamn plandemic has turned us all into? A bunch of germaphobes afraid to touch each other:


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I can't believe that piss actually passes for a beer.

Unbelievable. My wife went into the REI in Salt Lake City today and was told that our five year old daughter had to wear a mask because she is under 12 years old and couldn't possibly have had the vaccine. Wtf? My wife didn't need a mask because REI could assume that she had the vaccine (which she hasn't), but all children under 12 must wear one. My wife was incredulous. Adults could walk around maskless but children could not. Total incoherence. My wife obviously turned around and left the store informing the manager that she would never shop in their stores again.

Good. I've been waiting for her to come around. Scheels is a much better store anyway. They have guns and ammo as well. When I return home next week, I plan on visiting REI and speaking to the manager about their disjointed mask policy. Then I'm going cancel my membership on the spot. The stupidity around all of this has reached 11 on the dial.

^^^^^^^^^^

11?

We all need to re-calibrate our BS meters.
This from REI, is a 15.

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Update from Australia ....

More than 6.3 million vaccine doses have been administered. A target way short of the expected 'majority' of Aussies to have been jabbed by Oct 2021.

A second person has died from a blood clot to her brain, after receiving the AstraZeneca (ChAdOx1-S [recombinant] jab. The lady in question was just 52 years old.

And now, the Shylock geniuses have a new recommendation - the AstraZeneca vaccine should only be given to those aged 60 and above.

People aged 50-59 are now being told to get the Pfizer vaccine instead, of which Australia has significantly less doses.

Even better yet, if you were in that 50-59 age range, and your first jab was with the AZ, well now your second dose is Pfizer.

Mix and match. Wonderful. Like mix n make your own slushie.

Confusion? Nope. While maybe complacent, the 50+ are not stupid. The reaction from many in the 50-59 age range, is to cancel vaccine appointments.

If you want to read some more, along with statistics and graphs, then this article:
Australia: Concerns AstraZeneca advice could spark more vaccine rollout delays

... have a nice day ...

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The head coach for the Montreal Canadiens (who are playing this evening in the NHL Playoff Conference Finals) has just tested positive for COVID19 - 9 days after his 2nd vaccine booster.