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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Right on cue. Can't defend, or explain Italy's poor heathcare system because it doesn't fit your narrative, so claim xenophobia. Damn, where I have seen that tactic used before??????? | |||
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It's essentially pneumonia, you drown. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Oh yeah, 30 million people in the US are gonna get this bug. Sure. Look, just cut it out. You don't know any better than the rest of us about what's going to happen. All this fucking drama with these "impressive" number. Just stop it. You don't know what you're talking about. I know one thing about life, and that's that the worst happens rarely. Aside from the damage caused by imbecilic and completely unnecessary fucking with the US, nothing is going to happen. You will not die from this disease. No one you know will die from this disease. A certain type of person in our society will spread lies that they had a family member die of this, or a co-worker, or the family member of an acquaintance, or some of distanced relationship. They won't do this out of malice. This is done merely to impress others. You know people like this, probably have one or two in your own family, and they are a part of the problem. People are panicked because other people, who are supposed to behave as responsible adults have chosen to start shouting a doomsday scenario. People don't know what to think. They're being fed more speculation than anything else, so every person and every business decision maker out there has to err on the side of caution. Hey, wouldn't want to get sued or be rsponsible for the death of someone else, so, just shut it all down. And the panic buying- ridiculous, but what happens when the average guy needs this or that? Well, he's gotta go join the mob to make sure he's not affected by this false shortage, so he jumps in there, too. Again, aside from fucking up the best economy any living American shall ever see, this is going to be a big bunch of nothing. And, as was mentioned earlier in this thread, if a Democrat were in the White House right now, we wouldn't be dealing with anything more than what would have been characterized as a "bad flu season" just as what happened to the epidemic back in 2009 that killed thousands of Americans. Same thing the Dems did with the Benghazi US Embassy attack in 2012- just act like it's not happening or if you can't do that, act like it's no big deal. But, Donald Trump is in office and he is helping the US tgo do well and we just can't have that, and look at all the co-conspirators the Dems have in their grand "epidemic". Just look at all of 'em. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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Because Italy doesn't have a poor health care system. In fact Italy has one of the more highly-rated health care systems in the world. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
Wow, that wasnt even hard to expose... He's using the LEFTIST101 playbook!!! Next will it be “For Da Chirrins”, then YOU ARE STUPID!!!! | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
Rhino, the next post of yours in this thread should be used to make a good point about this mess. Stop getting into the middle of spats, trying to make them worse. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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| Green grass and high tides  |
some of you guys need to take a break. Wouldn't it be nice if this thread could make it to page 2 on occasion. I guess we need a "Bang'in the alarm drum" icon. And yes I know it is nothing to sneeze at and is serious. But "Bang'in the drum" continually ain't gonna help. "Practice like you want to play in the game" | |||
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| Ammoholic |
Not likely to happen, this shit is messing with a lot of peoples lives/livelihoods. People are watching their 401k get destroyed, trying to find last minute babysitters, canceling trips, taking time off work, getting hours reduced, getting laid off, worrying about loved ones, etc. If they found a cure tomorrow this still would have lasting impacts. We are stuck with it for a while. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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Thank you, sir, this is much needed. The hand-wringing on this forum is an unpleasant surprise. . | |||
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| Something wild is loose  |
Short answer: viruses (really just pieces of RNA or DNA, that somehow become "parasites"), "operate" by attaching themselves to cell walls, invading the cell and using the cell's "stuff" to make other viruses. The viruses grow inside the cells, eventually rupture the cell wall (usually) and release thousand of copies of themselves which infect other cells. In this particular virus (a respiratory virus) it gets into the airway, down to the lungs, and destroys the lungs' capability to transfer oxygen. That's why elderly people with COPD or other respiratory problems are more at risk. Since the body doesn't get enough oxygen, other organs start to fail, eventually killing the patient. That's also why you hear and read about the problems with not enough respirators in hospitals - since we don't (yet) have universally available medicines to kill the virus, the main treatment is to support respiration. The other mechanism (unintended by the virus) that kills patients is the patient's own immune system. The body may recognize an infected cell as "foreign," and the body's own immune system kills the body's own cells (this is why H1N1 in 1918 killed so many younger patients - their immune systems are more robust and over-activated). This virus seems to be mainly the first type (although both mechanisms can happen at the same time) - younger patients are less impacted, but still not immune. Cliffs version: https://www2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/viruswars/viruses.php "And gentlemen in England now abed, shall think themselves accursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that fought with us upon Saint Crispin's Day" | |||
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For your predictions of deaths and infections to match up, the current estimates of number of cases would have to be low by a factor of hundreds, if not thousands. That's certainly possible, and all the experts agree there are many more cases than we are actually testing, but I haven't seen any epidemiologist or ID expert opine there are that many. Also, it is believed that the disease has already undergone one significant mutation, that there are now two strains, and that it is possible to be infected with both (i.e., being infected with one strain does not confer complete immunity to the other). https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sc...ease-say-scientists/ | |||
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) . But, absent the odd mutation (always possible), I believe, sincerely hope and pray, that I am not. | Member |
2004 SARS 2008 Avian Flu 2010 Swine Flu 2012 Mers 2014 Ebola 2016 Zika 2018 Ebola part deux 2020 Corona Survived all, why because most of us here have common sense. 1. Wash your hands, amazing we have to stress that to anyone over 12 2. Just to reiterate wash your hands. 3. If your sick stay home, what a concept. For most here this is normal, for the woke crowd and lefties this is any of the following Racist Sexiest Homophobic Xenophobic Anti Islamic Orange Man Bad Transphobic Nationalist This too will pass. | |||
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Then people shouldn’t live beyond their means. If fewer people lived paycheck to paycheck this panic wouldn’t be as bad as it is. No one knows what a savings account is these days, I guess. I agree with what Para said, these places shutting down are trying to avoid possible lawsuits. As far as panic food and supply buying, FEMA has stated for years everyone should have a MINIMUM 2 weeks worth of food and water for EVERYONE in the household. We have tornadoes here. I always have A LOT more than that in stock. Do I live in fear that a tornado will wipe my house out and food and water won’t be available for weeks? No. Do I live in fear I’m going to die of Wuhan flu? No. The bark is a lot worse than the bite. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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So is Canada's, but that is all relative to the entire world, including 3rd world nations. Like Canada, Italy's healthcare is socialized. I don't know much about Italy's healthcare beyond the above, but I know I wouldn't want to be in Canada during an outbreak like this, and would much prefer to be in the US. . | |||
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| Ammoholic |
The above is the minimum all people should be doing. Fact is not a lot do. I can weather the storm no problem. It will hurt my savings account and limit future fun. That last part is what is bad, I will and other people when have emergency reserves will rebuild those before buying TVs. People in retail and food services may be homeless. People dying is sad, and it happens, I'd like to save the economy if possible and tell as many people as possible to have emergency food and cash reserves. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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I didn't say it would happen. I said it could, and explained why. An average of 30 million people in the US get the flu every year. I am not panicked or hysterical, and regardless of the situation, I don't think hysteria serves any purpose and will always make things worse. I have been careful to talk about possibilities, not certainties (of which there aren't any). I have been careful to provide links to reputable sources for important points in my arguments. My position is that it's important that we take a critical look at what is happening and think about what it means, rather than just assuming that we know how it will turn out. With all that said, I respect you, I enjoy being a member of this forum, and I know that it's your show. If you want me to stop posting in this thread, I will. Is that what you're asking, or just that I stop posting about projected outcomes? | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
I've posted articles about calling it the Wuhan Virus. Calling it the Wuhan virus is accurate and scientifically appropriate, but certainly not racist. Nothing racist or 'xenophobic' about it. https://www.americanthinker.co...t.html#ixzz6GVB63xZy But, for shorthand I like the term WuFlu. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Nullus Anxietas |
It's also relative to ours and every other 1st world health care system in the world.
That has no bearing on the efficacy of their ability to handle a pandemic like this. If you examine the oft-observed differences between nations with "socialized" health care systems and ours, the primary differences are in getting elective care, not emergency care. (That, and of course, the tax burden. But that has no bearing on this discussion.)
All you really need to know is they have a modern, first world health care system. Near as I can tell: As good as, perhaps better than, in certain respects, our's. Member BansheeOne, living right next door to Italy, can probably shed more light on this subject.
I don't blame you. You live here. You're familiar with the health care here. You trust the health care here. So it's no surprise you'd rather be here than anywhere else. Conversely: I'm familiar with the health care systems both here and in Netherlands. I'd be equally as comfortable there as I am here. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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^^^^ Italy’s healthcare being socialized has “no bearing” on their ability to handle a pandemic? The ridiculousness of that statement cannot be understated. Trying to reason with some of you guys is like playing a game of whack-a-mole. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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| Something wild is loose |
By paragraph: - That is correct. - That is also correct. - There are at least two strains, but likely not significantly different in infectivity (although first reported), and very probably not lethality. Which does not preclude further mutation. "And gentlemen in England now abed, shall think themselves accursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that fought with us upon Saint Crispin's Day" | |||
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