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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by vthoky:
"It's for our own good; we're all in this together," and statements similar will be tossed around like leaves in the wind.

Yeah, we'll see how that plays out with a jury at some point as a big company like United Airlines sits on one side and the spouse and children of a deceased United Airlines employee sit on the other. All I can say is I hope the inevitable settlements are enormous.

And that's exactly the scenario I hope these CEOs imagine -- very vividly -- before continuing to push this madness on employees.

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
Were it me being forced to take the shot by a employer after the Supreme Court ruling I'd have a attorney draw up a statement of liability to be signed by the company rep assuming any and all liability for any adverse reactions to said vaccine.

It's easy to make decisions for other people when you have no liability in the outcome.

The problem is, you'll never find a doctor who will admit the vaccine caused the problems. They always attribute them to some other cause.

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Originally posted by 4x5:

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
Were it me being forced to take the shot by a employer after the Supreme Court ruling I'd have a attorney draw up a statement of liability to be signed by the company rep assuming any and all liability for any adverse reactions to said vaccine.

It's easy to make decisions for other people when you have no liability in the outcome.

The problem is, you'll never find a doctor who will admit the vaccine caused the problems. They always attribute them to some other cause.

Like Covid? That would be due to the vaccine not working. Still vaccine related. I think the point is how many employers would hesitate when presented with a legal liability document. I'm guessing a lot of them.

I don't know if anyone here saw it... but there was an unfortunate spat between Alex Berenson and Malone on Laura Ingrams show (Raymond Arroyo guest hosting}.

It kind of reminded me why Sigforum is so great. When we go off topic and start attacking one another Para is quick to shut it down and bring us back on topic.

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The problem is, you'll never find a doctor who will admit the vaccine caused the problems.

I suspect many of these doctors would: America's Frontline Doctors

Lingering effects of Covid-19 infections?

Today I feel unaccountably a bit disoriented, my head feels a bit like it's stuffed with cotton, and my manual dexterity is off.

Both my wife and I have experienced this, on-and-off, since we became infected with the Wu Flu and after we were over with it.

Annoying.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
I don't know if anyone here saw it... but there was an unfortunate spat between Alex Berenson and Malone on Laura Ingrams show (Raymond Arroyo guest hosting}.

Yep, I saw that and still don't get it. There is no upside I could see in Berensen doing that. To Malone's credit, he pushed back, but rather politely.

So what was the disagreement about?

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
So what was the disagreement about?

Malone claims to be the creator of mRNA technology and that ivermectin is effective at treating Covid. Berensen challenged both those assertions and not too delicately or respectfully. I just don't see the upside of the challenge as it did nothing to advance the topic they were there to discuss.

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I just don't see the upside of the challenge as it did nothing to advance the topic they were there to discuss.

I agree. They were both invited to talk about censorship.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/DaNgNhGbe1UP/

Well, Berensen is a bit of a dork. I appreciate the work he's done in regards to covid, but he's still a giant lib.

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Question for all those that had Covid and lost your sense of taste and smell - how long until that returned?

I'm pretty certain I had a bout of omicron on New Year's Day, was fine after a few days but I lost my sense of taste and smell on Jan 4th, 4 days after I first had it and it's not come back yet.

I've had colds where this happened and it was a few days long but now at 10+ days I'm starting to get a little concerned.

As with anything and everything COVID related, it seems to be so individualistic. My wife lost hers on 1/10/2022 after 4 days of symptoms. As of today she is barely getting a very faint smell or taste of things…..very faint though. So far I have not lost taste or smell yet. I got it from her and she had no fever yet I suffered I high fever for days and finally broke it today.

Democrats OK with fines, prison, and mandates for vaccine deniers: Poll

https://www.washingtonexaminer...for-vax-deniers-poll

Nearly two years after former President Donald Trump tossed politics into the nation’s battle against the coronavirus, the partisan divide appears to have grown, with Republicans fighting mandates and Democrats calling for harsh punishments for those who refuse to get vaccinated.

In an expanded survey of the public’s view of mandates and punishments to get people vaccinated, Rasmussen Reports found that Democrats even support fines, home confinement, and prison for those who fight the government on masks and shots.

Over several questions in the survey for the Heartland Institute, the differences in how Republicans and Democrats view the crisis were stark.

Consider: Twenty-nine percent of Democrats would go so far as to support taking children away from parents who refused to be vaccinated.

The first question in the survey set the tone. It asked if likely voters approved of coronavirus czar Dr. Anthony Fauci. Just 21% of Republicans said they view him favorably, compared to 75% of Democrats.

Next came a question on President Joe Biden’s mandate that companies of 100 employees or more should demand workers to get vaccinated. Just 22% of Republicans agreed, while Democrats were all in at 78%.

Asked if voters favor a federal or state fine for those who refuse a vaccine, only 19% of Republicans said “favor” to 55% of Democrats.

Rasmussen next asked if people favor home confinement for those who are not vaccinated. On the GOP side, 79% were opposed, while 59% of Democrats favored it.

The survey also asked about those who challenge the government’s view of vaccines and if opponents should be jailed or fined for questioning it on social media. A remarkable 48% of Democrats supported those punishments.

And nearly half of Democrats favored fixing tracking devices on those who refused to vaccinate.

Rasmussen added that Biden supporters would go even further than Democrats.

“President Biden’s strongest supporters are most likely to endorse the harshest punishments against those who won’t get the COVID-19 vaccine. Among voters who have a Very Favorable impression of Biden, 51% are in favor of government putting the unvaccinated in “designated facilities,” and 54% favor imposing fines or prison sentences on vaccine critics,” said the pollster.

More evidence of wet-dreaming from the left. They can “support” it all they want, but barring a state making any of these repercussions happen, it’ll never happen at the federal level- not until the rats have a 61% majority in the senate- which I think is about to head in the opposite direction than they want in the midterms.

However, this should be a warning sign that these people are demented and have no problem with a police state against conservatives.

“President Biden’s strongest supporters are most likely to endorse the harshest punishments against those who won’t get the COVID-19 vaccine. Among voters who have a Very Favorable impression of Biden, 51% are in favor of government putting the unvaccinated in “designated facilities,” and 54% favor imposing fines or prison sentences on vaccine critics,” said the pollster.

Not surprising. Most of them would support imprisoning anyone who disagrees with them.

"Nearly two years after former President Donald Trump tossed politics into the nation’s battle against the coronavirus, the partisan divide appears to have grown, with Republicans fighting mandates and Democrats calling for harsh punishments for those who refuse to get vaccinated."

https://www.washingtonexaminer...for-vax-deniers-poll

Absolute Fiction and Total Propaganda...Right there in the first sentence of the article!

Well we've got from essential to expendable.

https://www.abc15.com/news/nat...hZYydPNnL-UhG7DBnVI8

Hospitals across the country letting COVID-infected staff care for patients

By: Jessie Cohen
Posted at 5:26 PM, Jan 12, 2022 and last updated 3:33 PM, Jan 12, 2022

After nearly two years of fighting on the front lines, Mayra Castaneda says it feels like her health and the health of other healthcare workers is the last priority.

Castaneda works in California, where the state's health department says staff members with asymptomatic COVID-19 can continue working.

“It makes us all angry the fact that this is how things are being done now," she said.

"It was like, 'Well do I show up to work, do I not show up to work, do I stay home,'" Castaneda wondered.

California isn’t alone. Hospitals in Rhode Island and Arizona have also told employees that they can stay on the job if they have mild symptoms or none at all.


Castaneda believes the policy will actually have a negative effect on staff shortages.

“It’s clear we’re becoming short-staffed because we’re not staying away as we should," Castaneda said.

Sandy Reding, president of the California Nurses Association, says healthcare workers need more protection, not less.

"We need to preserve the nurses at the bedside as we are, and not infuse more COVID into our hospitals so we can have more cross-contamination, infections and death. It just didn’t make sense at all," Reding said. “It’s very disheartening for the frontline nurses and other healthcare workers to think that we are going to have to work side-by-side with COVID-positive coworkers.”

The California Department of Public Health defends its decision with the following statement:

We are extremely grateful to all the health care workers across California who have worked tirelessly over the course of the pandemic in support of Californians impacted by COVID-19. While vaccines continue to protect against serious illness, hospitals are reaching capacity and staffing shortages are making it difficult to treat those who need essential care. Given those conditions, the department is providing temporary flexibility to help hospitals and emergency services providers respond to an unprecedented surge and staffing shortages. Hospitals have to exhaust all other options before resorting to this temporary tool. Facilities and providers using this tool, should have asymptomatic COVID-19 positive workers interact only with COVID-19 positive patients, to the extent possible, and ensure the workers are always wearing N-95 respirators.

Karl Minges, the Interim Dean of the University of New Haven’s School of Health Sciences, says the decision seems confusing.

“So the first reaction is one of surprise, I think, that it’s coming to this," Minges said. “But with some guardrails, I think it’s the most sensible thing to do at this point in time to avoid a situation where we have to ration care and provide care to the patient that’s most likely to make it.”

Those guardrails include vaccines and making sure the staffing plan is temporary. However, Minges notes that the plan is not health-proof.

“Yes, it is very risky to be doing this in certain areas of a hospital. For example, the NICU, the ICU, any chemotherapy units," Minges said.

“Part of the guidelines was attempt to keep these COVID-positive healthcare workers taking care of COVID patients. That’s impossible. I’m throughout the entire hospital taking care of COVID and non-COVID," Castaneda said.

Castaneda says the expectations are not set in reality. She believes healthcare workers are not being prioritized nearly enough.


“There’s people that are just saying I give up in the healthcare industry, I’m done. And that worries me because I see it and I hear it every day," Castaneda said. “But then when your life doesn’t matter, how can you save lives when your own life doesn’t matter to anyone else.”

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Well we've got from essential to expendable….

Hospitals across the country letting COVID-infected staff care for patients

As long as you are “vaccinated”… that’s all that counts.
Further proof it’s about subjugation and compliance rather than patient protection.

It seems a little astounding to me that it is so important that people be “injected” (sorry, I can’t bring myself to call the jab a vaccine when it clearly doesn’t meet the long understood definition) that healthcare workers who have not been injected must be fired, but when it comes down to it, the folks making policy decisions are fine with those have active infections treating patients. Would the folks making these decisions really rather be in a room with people that have been injected and are infected than in a room with people who have not been injected and are not infected? Are they really that confused, or do they just not care about the people for whom they are making decisions?

I still don’t understand why they are pushing the injections so hard when the science is abundantly clear that the injections do not prevent infection, do not prevent spread, appear to increase infection with Omicron, and appear to be of waning/questionable benefitin reducing symptoms while providing plenty of nasty side effects. What is the impetus? Could it really be all about the money?