From Herman Cain:
http://www.caintv.com/theory-under-orders-to-let-hil

A day later, I’m still trying to make sense of why James Comey would choose to do what he did yesterday. If you just don’t want to recommend charges against Hillary, the logical move would be to say as little as possible, talk about how the case doesn’t rise to the level of prosecution, and leave the stage.

By talking at length about all the evidence that clearly shows Hillary was guilty of at least gross negligence in her handling of classified information – which is absolutely a criminal violation regardless of intent – he might as well have been waving a banner that proclaimed “The Fix Is In.”

Plenty of people who know Comey and respect him both personally and professionally are bewildered at why he would go into so much detail about the evidence against her, only to then announce he would not recommend charges on the flimsy notion that he couldn’t find another case like it that had been prosecuted.

It was so flimsy, the more I think about it the more I wonder if everything is as it appears here.

And that leads me to a theory: Comey knew Hillary should have been charged, but he was under orders to recommend otherwise. His job was on the line. Now to be sure, honorable men have resigned over less, and you could argue that if this was the case, Comey should have done so.

But let’s say there’s some reason he thought it would be better for him to stay on the job. Maybe he’s one of the few serious law enforcement people at the top echelons of the FBI after all the years of Obama’s influence, and he fears that the nation would be hurt by the change in direction that would occur at the FBI if he left.

So he could publicly defy his bosses and recommend charges, perhaps calculating it would look so bad to immediately fire him that they’d be called on their bluff. But maybe, he thought, there was a better way to do this.

So you basically make a two-part announcement: The first part reveals the true details of the investigation and what was discovered. This part is a blistering indictment – if only rhetorical – of Hillary and her malfeasance. You leave no doubt after you share this information that Hillary lied extensively and was guilty of multiple crimes.

Then you stun everyone by announcing no charges, which completely flies in the face of everything you said leading up to it. Everyone scratches their heads. The New York Times and the Washington Post naturally ignore everything but the recommendation of no charges, but plenty of other people paid attention to the earlier details and can only conclude that the United States is now a banana republic.

And Comey believes that too, which is why – if he had to follow orders and let Hillary get away with it – he was at least going to let everyone know just what a politicized sham that decision was.

I have no inside information here. I’m just theorizing. But it makes more sense than what we’re being asked to believe.

Well I like Cain, but....no. No "saving the FBI" here for Comey. He just showed us that he is truly a cowardly man with no honor. Too cowardly to buck his handlers and recommend charges, too cowardly to resign and tell the American people the fix is in. Another empty suit just going along to get along. Despicable.

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Originally posted by mbinky:
Well I like Cain, but....no. No "saving the FBI" here for Comey. He just showed us that he is truly a cowardly man with no honor. Too cowardly to buck his handlers and recommend charges, too cowardly to resign and tell the American people the fix is in. Another empty suit just going along to get along. Despicable.

The only thing that might save Comey and the FBI in my eyes would be charges brought regarding the Clinton Foundation. What a nice blindside that would be. And I would save that one for after the convention.

I too have thought along the lines of medic451's theory. The press conference seemed to be too surreal to be Comey's actions alone. Reading between the lines, it was as though he was saying that she was guilty as sin but I was told not to charge her.

And Krazeehorse, I am hoping for a big left hook to come out of the Clinton Foundation investigation and flatten both of these lying bastards.

RMD

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But let’s say there’s some reason he thought it would be better for him to stay on the job. Maybe he’s one of the few serious law enforcement people at the top echelons of the FBI after all the years of Obama’s influence, and he fears that the nation would be hurt by the change in direction that would occur at the FBI if he left.

So he could publicly defy his bosses and recommend charges, perhaps calculating it would look so bad to immediately fire him that they’d be called on their bluff. But maybe, he thought, there was a better way to do this.

Let me get this straight. Cain suggests Comey values the integrity of the FBI more than the integrity of justice? Because this idea we're supposed to "indict" HRC at the polls is amusingly absurd.

I've read and watched Comey's presser from yesterday and he was building a case with the elements and then in the final minutes, he did a 180 and went off the rez and said he wouldn't recommend indictment.

Why? All invesitgators do is turn over evidence and facts and it's up to prosecutors to decide what to do with it. Very unusual to see and hear him lay it all out and then say while Hillary didn't do anything he considers prosecutable, others shouldn't try it.

I still don't know what happened to her staff, what they said, the guy who set up the servers, at whose direction and if he was given immunity but no charges will be filed, what was the purpose. And now that no charges are pending, I guess the server dude can't stand by the 5th A anymore.

There's just a lot of stuff that doesn't add up.

Wouldn't it be wild, but never going to happen, if he got up in front of the committee tomorrow and said he thought it was enough to warrant a recommendation but Lynch or the WH suggested otherwise. Now that would be something to watch.

Good theories, and maybe Comey is thinking along those lines. However, that's a cowards play and Comey has permanently discredited himself and the FBI by his bitch move.

This is a dark day for our republic. Comey could have acted honorably, instead he chose to save his job. Coward.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:



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I still don't know what happened to her staff, what they said, the guy who set up the servers, at whose direction and if he was given immunity but no charges will be filed, what was the purpose. And now that no charges are pending, I guess the server dude can't stand by the 5th A anymore.

The purpose of the 5th Amendment isn't to protect you from having to rat out your bosses, but to testify against yourself. Moreover, this recommendation against charges isn't a finding on the merits of innocent. The next AG can bring charges agaunst her, him, all of them, at any time before the statute of limitations runs.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
Moreover, this recommendation against charges isn't a finding on the merits of innocent. The next AG can bring charges against her, him, all of them, at any time before the statute of limitations runs.

now there is a happy thought for, say, February 1, 2017...

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Originally posted by rduckwor:
I too have thought along the lines of medic451's theory. The press conference seemed to be too surreal to be Comey's actions alone. Reading between the lines, it was as though he was saying that she was guilty as sin but I was told not to charge her.

And Krazeehorse, I am hoping for a big left hook to come out of the Clinton Foundation investigation and flatten both of these lying bastards.

RMD

To be fair this is Herman Cains theory, not mine. The more I think about it, it still doesnt add up. Lets say Comey wanted to save the FBI and show how corrupt the justice system was in this country, and how Hillary is the epitome of that. What better way to show this than recommend charges, and let the DOJ refuse to prosecute. That would anger just as many Americans in the end, let Loretta Lynch take the fall. If they did go after Comey by forcing him out or using any other form of retribution, what better way to once again show the public what their governemt has truly become. No Herman, whatever Comeys intentions were, he took the cowards way out.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:



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I still don't know what happened to her staff, what they said, the guy who set up the servers, at whose direction and if he was given immunity but no charges will be filed, what was the purpose. And now that no charges are pending, I guess the server dude can't stand by the 5th A anymore.

The purpose of the 5th Amendment isn't to protect you from having to rat out your bosses, but to testify against yourself. Moreover, this recommendation against charges isn't a finding on the merits of innocent. The next AG can bring charges agaunst her, him, all of them, at any time before the statute of limitations runs.

Understood.

Seems odd that with his immunity grant and his 5th A assertion but no charges against her, at this time, perhaps he and other oompa-loompas will be charged but Hillary won't. I'd also like to know how the hacker Guccifer fits into this, if at all.

I don't know what the SOL is on this but I recall that it extends into next year.

So, he is such a good cop he is not going to do his job for fear that they will put a bad cop in there who won't do his job?

Yeah, I get it is more complicated than that but if he is not willing to enforce the law he is worthless as a law officer.

Trump should announce that if elected he will have his AG appoint a special prosecutor to review the FBI investigation and determine if prosecution is warranted. I think that would win him big points with the millions of people bewildered by Comey's decision.

My guess is Obama would pardon her on his way out of the WH, but it would be nice to force his hand into putting that shit stain on his so-called legacy.

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Originally posted by arabiancowboy:
Comey has permanently discredited himself and the FBI by his bitch move.

Honorable men don't run out of there like he did after that press conference ended, he was practically falling over himself to get out of there as fast as he could.

Opinion: Comey was promised something. Job, money, something. There are people in the Justice Dept. going "What the fuck just happened". They had her cold. This is a case a first year attorney could have prosecuted and won.

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
Trump should announce that if elected he will have his AG appoint a special prosecutor to review the FBI investigation and determine if prosecution is warranted. I think that would win him big points with the millions of people bewildered by Comey's decision.

My guess is Obama would pardon her on his way out of the WH, but it would be nice to force his hand into putting that shit stain on his so-called legacy.

Not to mention hers. For people in her position, a pardon is almost as fatal to your reputation and legacy as a conviction.

A pardon must be granted, and accepted. It would have to be done before Obama is out of office, which means before she or Trump takes the oath.

I suppose she could pardon herself, but that would be extraordinarily courageous.

So, here is my question:

Comey outlined all of the illegal actions taken by the hildabeast. We all wrongly thought he was going to request an indictment.

Given his testimony/speech, can any other agency or individual press charges against her?

If not, why not?

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Originally posted by ulsterman:
Opinion: Comey was promised something. Job, money, something. There are people in the Justice Dept. going "What the fuck just happened". They had her cold. This is a case a first year attorney could have prosecuted and won.

Not really. Remember OJ? The "Dream Team?"

The Clintons would field a battalion of very skilled lawyers, pouring over every word, every e-mail, every witness. They are already doing that in the court of public opinion. Clinton herself hasn't said a peep, but her usual surrogates are peeping on every channel, every talk show, every editorial page, every blog, tweeting, etc.

You must have a great deal of faith in first year lawyers. As a 40 year lawyer, I think I can say without fear of contradiction that a first year lawyer would be over his or her head before finding a place to park at the courthouse.

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by arabiancowboy:
Comey has permanently discredited himself and the FBI by his bitch move.

Honorable men don't run out of there like he did after that press conference ended, he was practically falling over himself to get out of there as fast as he could.

Yea, that was a shameful spectacle.

Does anyone know if the Comey hearing tomorrow will be televised? I can't find whether his congressional Q&A will be open to reporters.

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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:
So, here is my question:

Comey outlined all of the illegal actions taken by the hildabeast. We all wrongly thought he was going to request an indictment.

Given his testimony/speech, can any other agency or individual press charges against her?

If not, why not?

No other agency has the evidence. No other agency has prosecutorial authority. They go to DOJ with their evidence when it seems necessary.

I believe a Grand Jury must be empaneled to vote an indictment. DOJ does that, I believe exclusively.