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Make it hard for people to support these people, show them what these people do. Ask them how this benefits the Palestinians. Ask them if these mothers, children, and family are legitimate military targets. Ask them how they can possibly be OK with any of this.

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Originally posted by arabiancowboy:.

I will say this is a rare event where the initial reports are turning out to be true, or even more conservative than the truth.

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Originally posted by berto:
Hamas leadership lives in luxury in Qatar. They stockpile weapons instead of improving the lives of those they claim to represent. Time for the Mossad to go to Qatar and drop bodies. Heads on spikes.

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Originally posted by arabiancowboy:
I won’t post videos of families being killed, but have seen enough to say the rumors from the first day appear real. It looks like Hamas armed their folks with tons of cameras in a deliberate effort to document this all. Only they could have posted this stuff, so (like ISIS) they’ve calculated there’s an audience who is motivated by their behavior.

I will say this is a rare event where the initial reports are turning out to be true, or even more conservative than the truth.

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Originally posted by HRK:
Not a surprising reaction from HAMAs, I"m sure it was/is part of the initial plan for taking Hostages....


Hamas threatens to kill a civilian hostage every time Israel hits Gaza civilians 'without warning'

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Originally posted by gw3971:
I know they are busy with BBQ's and all but Sholdn't Iran pay a price?

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Originally posted by HRK:
Not a surprising reaction from HAMAs, I"m sure it was/is part of the initial plan for taking Hostages....


Hamas threatens to kill a civilian hostage every time Israel hits Gaza civilians 'without warning'

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Fairly long watch



I find it interesting that they reported that the leader of Hamas has called on all Palestinians to take up arms in this effort to take revenge for how they have been treated.

Anyone who knows history knows that Israel tried to make peace with the Palestinians initially but their neighbors welcomed their Islamic brothers to keep them from the infidels. Then stuck them in camps on the border for YEARS, all while blaming Israel for their treatment. This entire situation was was manufactured by Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt. If they really want to be pissed at who sold them out and treated their initial people like garbage, it is those countries they should be attacking.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Israel has a serious problem with the Hamas, Hezbollah and associated groups who have perpetrated this and many other attacks.

As I see it, hey are in a situation not unlike the U.S. found itself in Vietnam with the NVA and Vietcong. We all know from history that the Vietcong were everywhere. Most villages were infiltrated and even women doing the laundry at U.S. bases maybe the ones found dead on the wire the next morning after an attack. Hamas and these other groups have done the same thing.

One big difference is that, except for pacification purposes, the VC typically was attacking military installations. Hamas & Hezbollah attack civilian targets and pray on innocents.

Many might say "Kill them all...." Well, fine that is a great sounding thing but now you are talking genocide. Something that Jewish people are a bit sensitive to, and rightly so. I'm sure in the middle east there are Muslims who really don't care, just want to be left alone, live their lives, tend their herds and crops and try and enjoy life... just like many civilians were in Vietnam.

How do you tell the difference? How do you prevent an incident like the My Lai massacre? Want to assure you lose all support from the world, pull one of those.

Is the world outraged at Hamas for what they're doing. Of course, but it's a group not a country. Same issue, as with the VC. As soon as they are targeted for an attack or even scrutiny they fade away.

Make no mistake. Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq learned the hard way that direct military action against Israel will fail. They developed the Palestinians into their own VC to do the dirty work for them, potentially weaken Israel enough for them to swoop in and finish the job. That is all wrapped in the neat little Islamic zealot package. Slaughter in the name of Allah and if you're killed you get your 72 virgins in paradise. That is a tougher ideology than just people committed to communism.

In my opinion the larger issue lies in one of the unique attitudes with the Islamic zealots. They can murder 500 innocent women and children and its ALLU ACKBAR!!!! but you injure one of their people in a counter attack and a huge number of them are suddenly YOU ATTACKED US!!! I KILL YOU!!!!!! I KILL YOU!!!. Why is that an issue? Even if you are very successful in killing a large number of them, even high ranking ones, those who remain will be even more dedicated to the cause, and likely a lot of moderates get swayed into it simply because an infidel killed a Muslim. They will fade into the caves for months, years, even decades and come out all frothing at the mouth ready to fight.

So.... with that all said. How on earth do you deal with this type of attack? How do you deal with not knowing who is a combatant and who isn't? How do you avoid a My Lai, even when they are doing it to you? How do you shut this down when every effort so far, seems to fuel the fire?

What is the answer here?

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
I've been on the phone with my Israeli friends that I can get in touch with.
MANY have been called up.
There's talk fo going all the way to the sea this time.