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That's not the same thing, is it?

My concern is that we do not repeat the same mistakes we have made time and again.

Every time things like this happen, we find out later on that initial reports were exaggerated or completely wrong. No exception. Every time.

We're not going to do that this time. Let's let the evidence come out. I am certain there is more of such evidence than we'll want to find out about.
 
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I anticipate that this is going to get really ugly. This may open a new chapter in hostilities in the middle east.

This sounds like it was a very well planned and coordinated and successful first effort. It is likely not the first and I would expect other 'surprises'.

The entire reason the Golan Heights and Gaza strip were taken to begin with was PLO and other Islamic groups were tossing artillery, rockets and missiles into Israeli cities. The whole point was an exclusion zone that pushed them out of range.




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Nice piece by VDH here: Victor Davis Hanson Tweet

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A 50th Anniversary War?

Why did Hamas stage a long-planned, carefully executed and multifaceted attack on Israeli towns, soldiers, and civilians—one designed to instill terror by executing noncombatants, taking hostages, and desecrating the bodies of the dead?

And how were the killers able to enter Israeli proper in enough numbers to kill what could be hundreds and perhaps eventually wound what could be thousands?

a) Ostensibly, radical Palestinians wanted to stop any rumored rapprochement between the Gulf monarchies—the traditional source of much of their cash—and Israel, by forcing the issue of Arab solidarity in times of “war”, especially through waging a gruesome attack aimed at civilians and encompassing executions and hostage taking. Iran likely was the driving force to prompt the war—given its greatest fear is a Sunni Arab-Israeli rapprochement.

b) Arab forces have had only success against Israel through surprise attacks during Israeli holidays, as in the Yom Kippur War (i.e., was it any accident that the present attack began 50-years almost to the day after the October 6, 1973 beginning of the Yom Kippur War?). And so they struck again this Saturday during Simchat Torah, coming at the end of a weeklong Jewish celebration of Sukkot—in hopes that others will join in as happened in 1973. (So much for the Arab warnings not for Westerners to conduct war during Ramadan).

c) Hamas may have reckoned that recent Israeli turmoil and mass leftist street protests over proposed reforms of the Israeli Supreme Court had led to permanent internal divisions and thus a climate of domestic distraction if not an erosion of deterrence.

But, more importantly, in a larger sense the Biden administration has contributed both to the notion that Hamas was a legitimate Middle East player, and to the perception that the U.S. was backing away from its traditional support for Israel—to the delight of Hamas—based on the following inexplicable policies:

1) In February Secretary of State Blinken had bragged that not only had the Biden administration resumed massive aid to the PLA cancelled by Trump, but cumulatively had transferred $1 billion—even as Palestinian authorities bragged that they would continue to pay bounties to the families of “martyrs” (i.e., those killed while conducting terrorists attacks against Israel).

And millions of American dollars also went into Gaza, run by Hamas—despite the Biden administration’s efforts to keep mostly quiet the resumption of such inexplicable support. In this regard, note the current shameful State-Department (“U.S. Office of Palestinian Affairs”) website news release that was posted after today’s attack. It ended with this quite embarrassing, morally equivalent admonition:

“We urged all sides to refrain from violence and retaliatory attacks. Terror and violence solve nothing.”

"All sides?" "Refrain from retaliatory attacks?”

So Israel is the moral equivalent of terrorists executing civilians and brutalizing their corpses? And the IDF then is not supposed to retaliate against these killers?

This Biden State Department insanity cannot stand. So expect some apparatchik to take down this Munich-like posting as soon as possible.

2) The Biden administration had recently released some $6 billion to Iran through a prison swap deal that saw South Korea hand over embargoed Iranian money to Qatar—despite Tehran’s increased anti-Israeli rhetoric and its loud brag about the escalation. We should assume money for rockets (Hamas claims they have launched 5,000, and have received 100,000 of them via the Damascus airport) and weapons in general for Hamas were supplied by Iran, which again is likely the chief catalyst for this surprise attack.

3) Almost immediately, after his inauguration Biden mobilized to resume the bankrupt Iran deal. And in unhinged fashion he appointed the anti-Israeli bigot, pro-Iranian journalist Robert Malley as America’s chief negotiator. Note that Malley is now under FBI investigation for security breaches, involving disclosing classified U.S. documents and also for allegedly helping pro-Iranian activists and propagandists land influential billets inside the U.S. government.

In short, there was a general Hamas and Iranian perception that the Biden administration had resumed the discredited Obama madness of empowering Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas. This discredited agenda was to “balance” the power of Israel and the moderate Arab Gulf governments to achieve “creative tension”, exacerbated by Biden’s loathing of the government of Benjamín Netanyahu (who has been snubbed by Biden and never invited for an official visit).

Note as well that the Biden administration has siphoned off key weapons and munitions from stockpiles inside Israel to transfer them to Ukraine. The so-called “War Reserve Ammunition—Israel" is all but depleted of just the sorts of weapons needed in the present crisis.

In this regard is there not a pattern here?

Upon the ascension of Biden and his woke military agendas, we saw the following: the complete humiliation of the U.S. in Kabul in its most shameful flight in 50 years and greatest abandonment of equipment in its history; followed by Vladimir Putin’s opportunistic invasion of Ukraine; followed by China’s new belligerence and escalating threats to Taiwan; followed by Turkey’s new de facto alliance with Russia and recent drone encounter with the U.S. air force in Syria; followed by the Hamas/Iranian inspired attack on Israel—with more to come unfortunately.

And will Biden finally get the message from the attacks on the Ukraine and Israeli borders, that borders matter and we too are being invaded, with the encouragement of the Mexican government and to the advantage of the cartels whose fentanyl exports kills 100,000 Americans a year?

What to expect in Israel?

Expect the following: the usual Hamas/terrorist selling and/or execution of Israeli hostages, the use of Israeli hostages as “human shields” in Gaza, the bargaining/sale of the remains of Israeli dead, occasional killings of Jews inside Israel by Arabs who falsely believe there will be a winning Middle East-wide existential war against Israel. And finally, a devastating Israeli counter-response that will eventually earn a U.S. rebuke.

What should the U.S. instead do?

It should quit talking to Iran and restore full sanctions against it. It should cut off all aid immediately to all the Palestinians. It should undertake a 1973-like massive arms lift of key munitions to Israel and warn Iran, Syria, Hezbollah and others in the Middle East not to intervene or else, given that Israel will need several weeks to deal with Hamas and Gaza. And if it shows any hesitation or weakness, other terrorist groups will opportunistically jump in.



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Fairly long watch



I find it interesting that they reported that the leader of Hamas has called on all Palestinians to take up arms in this effort to take revenge for how they have been treated.

Anyone who knows history knows that Israel tried to make peace with the Palestinians initially but their neighbors welcomed their Islamic brothers to keep them from the infidels. Then stuck them in camps on the border for YEARS, all while blaming Israel for their treatment. This entire situation was was manufactured by Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt. If they really want to be pissed at who sold them out and treated their initial people like garbage, it is those countries they should be attacking.




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Not sure if this works. Bunch of goat rapers murdered an Israeli women, stripped her body and drove around displaying it while all shouting "Aloha Snackbar". Religion of peace my a$$.

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That's not the same thing, is it?


No, indeed. I understand and agree with you, I just wanted to clarify that I had seen what I saw.


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I haven't prayed in a while.

I pray for Israel and a bloody, bold, and resolute response.
 
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Let's hope Germany has an overwhelming response.





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Unless Germany has a new and radically different government than in previous years, I'm sorry to say that my feeling is that they won't do dick, not even a strongly-worded letter.
 
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Unless Germany has a new and radically different government than in previous years, I'm sorry to say that my feeling is that they won't do dick, not even a strongly-worded letter.


Maybe they’ll light some candles in defiance.


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IIRC we have a forum member who has a son serving in the IDF. I hope he is safe and I pray for his family.
 
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I believe, Gaza will look like Dresden, very soon.


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I believe, Gaza will look like Dresden, very soon.


I’d prefer it to look like Tokyo, Osaka and Nagoya, 100 square miles burned to a fine ash.





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2 Israeli tourists murdered by Egyptian policeman in Alexandria

Policeman opens fire on bus carrying Israeli tour group, injuring and possibly killing multiple passengers.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/378089

Two Israeli tourists have reportedly been murdered in a shooting committed by an Egyptian policeman in the city of Alexandria, state media reported Sunday.

The Israeli Foreign Ministry stated that "this morning, during a tourist visit by a group of Israelis in Alexandria, Egypt, a local opened fire on them, as a result of which two Israeli citizens and the local Egyptian guide were murdered. In addition, there was an injured Israeli lying there in moderate condition."

"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Israeli Embassy in Cairo are working together with the National Security Council, the Prime Minister's Office, and the IDF with the authorities in Egypt in order to return the Israeli citizens to Israel as soon as possible," according to the Ministry's statement.

Local media reported that an Egyptian policeman shot at a bus in which a group of Israeli tourists were traveling and at least two of them were injured.

According to one of the reports, the shooter was neutralized. An Israeli who was on the bus called her relative and shouted on the phone: "They are shooting at our bus. There are dead and wounded."

The shooting comes a day after the Hamas terrorist organization launched an unprecedented attack against the State of Israel, killing over 350 Israelis and taking dozens more hostage.


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The attack in Israel is emboldening the radicals in every country “friendly” to them. They are provoking a very dangerous adversary hell bent on avoiding eradication.




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Watching this unfold, and wondering about all the military aged males coming across our own border. I strongly suspect a terrorist attack may be imminent.

Please refer back to the "clean your rifle" thread.
 
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The attack in Israel is emboldening the radicals in every country “friendly” to them. They are provoking a very dangerous adversary hell bent on avoiding eradication.


Not a comfortable thought when you live a snowball through from the largest population of Arabs and Muslims outside the Middle east.




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