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Originally posted by Ripley:

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Originally posted by Jimineer:


For example, we could get 100 Ivermectin pills for $2.90. While it hasn’t been shown to be 100% effective, what is the harm in taking it? There just isn’t any big money to be made from it.

Do we know where to get Ivermectin (at that price or anywhere) or HCQ? I've got a source, not cheap and requires a telemed appointment.

My source on the price was Brett Weinstein. The bigger point is that it should be readily available and low cost based on several reporting I’ve listened to. Whether it’s $2.90 or $6.00 is irrelevant.
Brett Weinstein was on Joe Rogan or Lex Fridman on YouTube. I don’t recall which episode but you can search YouTube and find a number of videos covering the drug.

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Originally posted by cne32507:
FDA on Ivermectin

I saw that same article linked to in a main stream media article from over a year ago although this link now says current as of 3-21. Of course, initially anything Trump suggested was dismissed like HCQ and Ivermectin (remember the couple in Arizona(?) who used and an aquarium product with Ivermectin and one or both died). The only negativity towards it comes from the usual "official" medical overlords who I have difficulty trusting. I'd rather have Ivermectin available than not.

I do know recently India and several other countries have petitioned(?) the WHO on Ivermectin use and India has been using Ivermectin in treatment of its large Delta variant outbreak.

Ask YOUR doctor. The statement you made about India leaves out lots of facts and updates.

Here is an article from Medpage Today about Ivermectin. Please read the last few paragraphs.

sigfreund, I am sorry for my digression. I will leave it alone now.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

Vaccinated facts:
-can still get covid
-can still die of covid
-can still die of vax

Unvaccinated facts:
-can still get covid
-can still die of covid
-cannot die of vax

Great!

Adding to the unvax list:

Cannot get injured from vax.


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Originally posted by cne32507:
I am sorry for my digression.

I knew that various digressions were inevitable when I started this thread.
I nevertheless believe that it’s served a useful purpose for those interested in information about the vaccine(s) per se and without having to maneuver around similar digressions throughout over 700 pages.

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Originally posted by cne32507:

Here is an article from Medpage Today about Ivermectin. Please read the last few paragraphs.

Last paragraph from the linked article -

"There are multiple ongoing phase III randomized controlled trials that will likely provide more definitive results on ivermectin, including Boulware's study and the U.K.'s PRINCIPLE outpatient trial that is aiming to enroll about 1,500 patients in its ivermectin arm."

So the jury may still be out, less than trustworthy info swirling around from all sides, powerful(?)forces may be muddying the water, the average guy is at the bottom of the pile, snafu.

So the best I have then is anecdotal talk of Ivermectin. I'll guess the same picture could be painted about HCQ, no? My personal PCP says neither have CDC or WHO backing, shock, and says it's my choice without her recommending for or against. I got a prescription through a telemed appointment with another MD. I've not filled the scrip yet, pending further investigation of the telemed source.

A large Egyptian trial of ivermectin has been withdrawn due to evidence of plagiarism and likely fraud, details at link:

Link

An apparently high quality randomized controlled trial led by David Boulware of the Univ of Minnesota (described in the linked article) continues and should provide the best answer to date on the effectiveness of ivermectin given early (within 3 days of diagnosis).

In other news: In Israel there is evidence of decreased effectiveness of the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine after about 6 months, and Israel is having a huge push to give booster shots to older citizens.
Link: Times of Israel
It seems like only a matter of time before booster shots will be recommended here.

On the positive side, today's CDC community report shows what looks like the start of a nationwide rapid fall in new cases of COViD, similar to what happened in the UK, where the number of new cases fell by half from one week to the next.
CDC report 8/2/21

sjtill: That's mostly good news. If the data indicates the start of a nationwide rapid fall in new cases of COVID, similar to what happened in the UK, perhaps the push to get everyone vaxxed will slow as well? But probably not.

Still, the charts show no increase in death to correspond to the increase in new cases.

Approximately 4 weeks after my second dose I started having problems that have never subsided.

At first things started tasting odd, then I lost my sense of taste all together like when I had the Bells Palsy. Now verything tastes like metal and just smells wrong.

I can't drink orange juice because it is like pins and needles. It's actually PAINFUL to drink. ANY citrus does this.

Be afraid, be VERY afraid of this vaccine. It's not ready for prime time and there is no recourse against the manufacturers or government for producing this untested experimental concoction.

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Approximately 4 weeks after my second dose I started having problems that have never subsided.

That's the same time frame for when my mother started going down hill.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
Approximately 4 weeks after my second dose I started having problems that have never subsided.

At first things started tasting odd, then I lost my sense of taste all together like when I had the Bells Palsy. Now verything tastes like metal and just smells wrong.

I can't drink orange juice because it is like pins and needles. It's actually PAINFUL to drink. ANY citrus does this.

Be afraid, be VERY afraid of this vaccine. It's not ready for prime time and there is no recourse against the manufacturers or government for producing this untested experimental concoction.

Sorry for your troubles! Hope these symptoms subside soon. I had the same thing when I had the virus back in February. Still can't taste and smell everything.

If you don't mind sharing, which vaccine did you get?

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Originally posted by Mr.9mm:

If you don't mind sharing, which vaccine did you get?

Phizer.

For a guy like you Marsy who loves to cook and BBQ to lose your taste or have your taste buds altered negatively is just terrible. Hopefully you suffer no more ill effects and the ones you now have subside over time.

Once the vax is in you there’s no going back no way to get it out of your system.

Coronavirus: Who are Israel's seriously ill patients?

As of Thursday morning, Israel had some 250 patients in serious condition. What are their ages and their vaccination status?

https://www.jpost.com/israel-n...nts-in-israel-675924

As of Thursday morning, there were some 250 COVID-19 patients in serious condition. What are their ages and what is their vaccination status?

About 210 of them are individuals over the age of 60. Of those, 153 were fully vaccinated, seven were in the process of getting fully immunized and 50 were not vaccinated.

Of the 40 patients in serious condition aged under 60, however, only nine were fully inoculated, one was partially vaccinated and 30 had not received any vaccine.
Currently, there are no patients in Israel under the age of 30 who are in serious condition.

In the 30-39 cohort, five individuals are in serious condition, all of whom are unvaccinated.

Among people ages 40-49 there are 15 serious patients, 14 of them not jabbed and one fully inoculated.

In the age group 50-50, unvaccinated patients still surpass vaccinated once, eleven compared to eight (plus one partially inoculated).

Among those who are in serious condition and over the age of 60, the balance shifts: there are more fully vaccinated patients who are in serious conditions than unvaccinated ones.
However, some 91% of the relevant population – almost 1.6 million people – is fully immunized, with only 109,000 people not protected.

Looking at the data of how many patients Israel has per 100,000 people, it is clear that those who are not inoculated are still getting seriously ill much more than jabbed people.

In the 60-69 cohort, 27 vaccinated people were in serious condition as of Thursday, in addition to 18 non-vaccinated individuals and one person partially vaccinated.
Looking at the numbers per 100,000 people, there are 26.8 patients who were not vaccinated, 9.5 who were partially vaccinated and only 4.1 who were vaccinated.

Among those 70-79, there were 57 fully vaccinated serious patients, three partially vaccinated, and 16 not vaccinated. This translates into 73.4 unvaccinated serious patients per 100,000 people, 52.2 partially vaccinated and 12.3 vaccinated.

In the 80-89 age group, there were 52 serious patients who were vaccinated, one partially vaccinated, and 12 not vaccinated. Considering data per 100,000 people, there are 105 unvaccinated serious patients, 25.7 partially vaccinated serious patients, and 25 vaccinated serious patients.

Among individuals over the age of 90, there were 18 people fully vaccinated, two partially vaccinated and two non-vaccinated. However, taking into consideration the numbers per 100,000 people, this means 60.3 unvaccinated serious patients per 100,000, 115.1 partially vaccinated serious patients and 38.8 vaccinated serious patients.

Just more information and data for Ivermectin. God Bless

https://c19ivermectin.com/

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Originally posted by VBVAGUY:
Just more information and data for Ivermectin. God Bless

https://c19ivermectin.com/

Thanks, and posted in the main Covid thread -

'For $1/Day'... Double-Blind Ivermectin Study Reveals COVID Patients Recover More Quickly, Are Less Infectious

Article from The Wall Street Journal U.S. Watch section.
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“Shots Cut Risk Of Repeat Infection

“Unvaccinated people are more than twice as likely to be reinfected with Covid-19 than people who are fully vaccinated, a new study suggests, underscoring the importance of vaccines in containing the pandemic.

“The study, published Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, looked at nearly 250 patients in Kentucky who had Covid-19 in 2020 and tested positive again between May and June 2021. People who were unvaccinated were 2.34 times as likely to be reinfected as those who were fully vaccinated, the researchers found.”

LINK to CDC article.

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Originally posted by konata88:
...And there is still an alarming absence of information related to other options like ivermectin and its efficacies and risks, both as a prophylactic and as reactive treatment protocols...

My wife and I are starting a low dose of ivermectin as a prophylaxis. I will be glad to let everyone here know if we experience any ill effects from it.

As a reference point, we had the Pfizer vaccine in the spring. My wife also had COVID last November, but it was mild, like a bad cold. I have been exposed numerous times and may have had it asymptomatically because I reacted fairly strongly to the vaccine. We started a regimen of multivitamins, plus extra zinc, D and C right after COVID went nationwide 17 months ago, which may have been a big factor in our experiences so far.

Also, I am blood type O, which apparently may be a big help in combating this virus.



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I do not know anyone who has ever had ill effects from Ivermectin.

My cousin spent 28 years working for the "State Department". He was an infrastructure engineer/analysts that spent most of his career in SE Asia. He never left home without a dropper bottle of Ivermectin. Obviously before C19 - but he talked about it like a jack-of-all-trades treatment.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
Approximately 4 weeks after my second dose I started having problems that have never subsided.

At first things started tasting odd, then I lost my sense of taste all together like when I had the Bells Palsy. Now verything tastes like metal and just smells wrong.

I can't drink orange juice because it is like pins and needles. It's actually PAINFUL to drink. ANY citrus does this.

Be afraid, be VERY afraid of this vaccine. It's not ready for prime time and there is no recourse against the manufacturers or government for producing this untested experimental concoction.

Mars : Check out this article. This Doctor says he has been treating some people who get symptoms of long haul covid after a vaccine.

Way to much material to paste here, but here is an excerpt.

Post-Vaccination Long Haulers?
Patterson reported he’s assessed from 100-200 people who came down with what looks like long COVID in the months after being vaccinated. Machine learning analyses indicated it was a quite heterogeneous group, but with one exception (no elevations of VEGF), immunologically, they looked like long haulers and the long-hauler treatment worked for them.

https://www.healthrising.org/b...-cracked-long-covid/

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
I do not know anyone who has ever had ill effects from Ivermectin.

My cousin spent 28 years working for the "State Department". He was an infrastructure engineer/analysts that spent most of his career in SE Asia. He never left home without a dropper bottle of Ivermectin. Obviously before C19 - but he talked about it like a jack-of-all-trades treatment.

That's good to hear.



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