OK, you've made your point. My advice is for you to leave this thread be.

sigfreund slipped this thread in when you were still waking up Boss Man.

One of the reasons I left it open is because he stated his case when asked and didn't get frustrated and tell me to "just delete it." It's nice to get such a response. Much of this stuff is pure judgement call, and being cool when asked helps tip things in your favor.

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Originally posted by braillediver:

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
crazy is how political this has become.

The single truth through all this is- Everyone is using it to promote their own agenda. The facts never seem to come into play.

After all this time there should be some indisputable facts.

here is some info suggested by my better half on the other side of the typical story:
https://search.mercola.com/res...#stq=covid%20vaccine

www.childrenshealthdefense.org

https://childrenshealthdefense...surge/?itm_term=home

Please indulge this question, as I don't wish to read through 7 pages...a friend stated the J&J vaccination is NOT an mRNA vaccine, but a "traditional" one like the regular flu vaccines. Is there any truth to this??

My thanks!

Yes. Only the Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines are mRNA.

^^^^^
Thank you kindly, Jim!!

Your friend is correct. The J&J vaccine is a "viral vector" vaccine, more like a "traditional" vaccine. It is basically an inactivated cold virus that has been modified to carry the coronavirus spike protein gene. It invades the host cell and manufactures the protein which in turn triggers the appropriate immune response.

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Like button again. Thanks!

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overlooked superpower

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) released their investigative findings of a recent outbreak of COVID-19 in Massachusetts. According to their study 74% of those infected during the regional outbreak were previously vaccinated.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covi...accinated-people-cdc

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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overlooked superpower

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) released their investigative findings of a recent outbreak of COVID-19 in Massachusetts. According to their study 74% of those infected during the regional outbreak were previously vaccinated.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covi...accinated-people-cdc

Once again cherry picking…not reading the whole article. While the vaccinated carried a viral load, it was not quantified to be transmissible. I.e. the vaccine was working.

So while 74% tested for it…it doesn’t mean they got sick or transmitted it!

Here is the key paragraphs:

Initial data—chain reaction cycle threshold values from some of the specimens—indicate that the viral load of the vaccinated and unvaccinated cases are similar, researchers said. However, they said microbiological studies are required to confirm those findings.

Further, the Infectious Disease Society of America and the Association for Molecular Pathology earlier this year said that such values “should not be considered quantitative measures of viral load.”

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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overlooked superpower

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) released their investigative findings of a recent outbreak of COVID-19 in Massachusetts. According to their study 74% of those infected during the regional outbreak were previously vaccinated.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covi...accinated-people-cdc

That seems to match the vaccination rate, so it shouldn't be surprising.



I don't know why everyone is flipping out for? We already knew Delta had higher breakthrough rate the older strains, people aren't dying in the streets. Looks like the vaccine works. Saying 74% of new cases were among vaccinated should be a given since over 70% of the state was vaccinated. I would suspect that the unvaccinated are mostly unvaccinated because they've had it already and have nature's vaccine. The others that are unvaccinated are probably not because they are young and healthy and have a snowballs chance in hell of dying from COVID.

Fun fact, if 100% of the country was vaccinated, then 100% of the cases would be in people who have been vaccinated.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

I don't know why everyone is flipping out for?

I don't know that anyone is. What's ridiculous though is that the CDC used this as justification to recommend masks for everyone again. These clearly aren't serious people. The whole thing is mind numbingly absurd.

500 gay men or so in Provincetown, MA got Covid at "events marketed to adult males." Among them, the vast majority (74%) were fully vaxxed. From those facts, the paper then makes an incredible leap of logic / method and suggests a set of public health interventions, including mask mandates, without offering a shred of evidence or even an indication of effect of said interventions. The logic is: (1) vaccinated homosexuals got Covid (2) wear a mask. Brilliant.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:


I don't know that anyone is.

Turn on your TV for five minutes. They play CNN at work. I catch 15 seconds of 'news' every time I walk in and out one of the buildings. The sky is falling according to them. Time to kiss you loved ones and say your goodbyes.

Also we've reinstated a mask policy at work that I have ignored all week unless in presence of management, even then, it's a chin diaper. Said we had to wear one, didn't specify how. Was thinking about getting a safety pin and clipping it to my shirt and wearing one like that. It would be just as effective as wearing on your face.

^^^ Oh well yes. Sorry. I mistakenly thought you were referring to forum members. Don't know why I made that assumption.

Anyway, yes, what you say is true.

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Originally posted by kkina:
[QUOTE] In fact, it never even enters the cell nucleus where all the DNA is stored. It stays in the cytoplasm where it is used, then eaten up.

You could say the RNA is initially manufactured using genetic engineering, but nothing like that happens inside the host cells.

Unfortunately, we do not know that for certain. There is still a lot we do not know about cell biology.

"Discovery Shows Human Cells can Write RNA sequences into DNA

In a discovery that challenges long-held dogma in biology, researchers show that mammalian cells can convert RNA sequences back into DNA, a feat more common in viruses than eukaryotic cells."

RNA into DNA

One indisputable fact is that this is the first time in history we have exposed a major portion of the human population to a therapy using this gene-based technology with NO long-term safety data in humans available.

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Originally posted by Patriot:
Once again cherry picking…not reading the whole article. While the vaccinated carried a viral load, it was not quantified to be transmissible. I.e. the vaccine was working.

Where do you get either of those assertions from:

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Initial data—chain reaction cycle threshold values from some of the specimens—indicate that the viral load of the vaccinated and unvaccinated cases are similar, researchers said. However, they said microbiological studies are required to confirm those findings.

Further, the Infectious Disease Society of America and the Association for Molecular Pathology earlier this year said that such values “should not be considered quantitative measures of viral load.”

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Originally posted by Patriot:
So while 74% tested for it…it doesn’t mean they got sick or transmitted it!

The vast majority of the un-vaccinated don't get sick, or significantly so, either. Your point?

The transmitted part apparently you're just making up.

In fact, from the ZH article:

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“High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus. This finding is concerning and was a pivotal discovery leading to CDC’s updated mask recommendation.”

What was that you were saying about "cherry-picking?"

Do you work for one of those with a vested interest in propagating vaccine misinformation, or are you simply one of those that figure, since you had the bad sense to allow yourself to be compromised with an experimental "vaccine," everybody must?

With J&J being brought up why has it all but disappeared from conversations? Does anyone know of any studies that has data for breakout infection with all 3 major jabs?

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Originally posted by triggertreat:
With J&J being brought up why has it all but disappeared from conversations? Does anyone know of any studies that has data for breakout infection with all 3 major jabs?

I have not seen any studies on J&J. However, based on conversations with people who have had the J&J vaccine (9), women seem to have be having a difficult time with the side effects (hormonal/menstruation) and none of the 9 have be reinfected with the Delta variant.

Two points:

#1 The data out of the Massachusetts outbreak may be highly unrepresentative of most of the country. I posted that report on page 784 of the main coronavirus thread

#2 Some of these reports seem to be misinterpreting the PCR data. The Ct value is how many cycles before a detection is made. The lower the Ct number, the higher is the detected concentration.