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Originally posted by cne32507:
I encourage members to google search organizations and people named in posted links and pasted articles. For example; Dr. Ryan Cole Google search. But then again, if one does not trust anything that is on the internet, why post the internet links? A conundrum, for sure.

OK, I've watched the video and done the suggested search. It doesn't seem Dr. Cole's assertions stand up to a fact-check...

Idaho Doctor Makes Baseless Claims About Safety of COVID-19 Vaccines

Internet Fact-Checker, hmmm… doesn’t stand up to an internet fact-checker.
Yep, OK.

Never ever would I use an internet fact-checker to substantiate an argument.

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Originally posted by kkina:

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Originally posted by cne32507:
I encourage members to google search organizations and people named in posted links and pasted articles. For example; Dr. Ryan Cole Google search. But then again, if one does not trust anything that is on the internet, why post the internet links? A conundrum, for sure.

OK, I've watched the video and done the suggested search. It doesn't seem Dr. Cole's assertions stand up to a fact-check...

Idaho Doctor Makes Baseless Claims About Safety of COVID-19 Vaccines

Fact Check .org is about the same as Snopes. There is plenty you can read about the Annenberg Center for public policy and who they are tied to. Bill Ayers secured almost 50 million dollars from to create the Chicago ANNENBERG Challenge “philanthropic” organization in which Barack Obama was the founding Chairman of the Board for and Ayers served as the grant writer of and co-Chair of for its two operating arms.

So yes research never ends. Science is never settled. But I'm not so easily going to dismiss these doctors that come out against this vaccine. To much reason not to. The incessant push and demand and mandates to get it and the censoring of any opposing position is just a couple of reasons.

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So yes research never ends. Science is never settled.

Yep, we could do this all day. And probably will. All friendly and respectful-like, of course.

Regarding the video of Doctor Stock on the previous page, here is a link to the studies and documents he referred to during his presentation to the Mt. Vernon School Board in Indiana.

https://hancockcountypatriots....o-mt-vernon.html?m=1

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Originally posted by kkina:
OK, I've watched the video and done the suggested search. It doesn't seem Dr. Cole's assertions stand up to a fact-check...

Idaho Doctor Makes Baseless Claims About Safety of COVID-19 Vaccines

kkina: If you want to argue a specific point in opposition to Dr. Cole's presentation, please do so. But don't point to Factcheck.org, A Project of The Annenberg Public Policy Center, funded by George Soros, which stands in opposition to nearly everything most of us here believe in, to make a blanket statement that Dr. Cole's assertions don't stand up to a fact-check.

I have read the so-called "fact-check" and I find it to be more opinion than fact. The author, Saranac Hale Spencer, clearly has different opinions. She also has a "fact-check" entitled: Evidence Points to Safety of COVID-19 Vaccines for Pregnant People. Read that one too, and you will see that the argument is basically: "there's not enough evidence to say they aren't safe, so they are safe."

It's the same crap as in the other thread- a very small number of members trying to convince the rest of us that the government is telling us the truth and there is no political maneuvering in any of this. We're all just silly and paranoid- brainwashed by Donald Trump or whomever. And anytime it's pointed out that someone somewhere is speaking out against this idiotic, DOESN'T WORK vaccine BULLSHIT, well, that's just gotta be shot down. But, it's OK, because they're doing it politely, you see?

Listen, go blow smoke up someone else's ass.

All you vaccine proponents- you're gonna find out. I hope it doesn't take too long because I want to be around to see it, but you're gonna find out what a very bad decision you've made. You have no idea how bad a turn you've made, but the rest of us have a pretty good idea about it by now. But, all the know-it-alls who trust the government will get this only when the false narrative falls apart and when you start having mysterious health issues in the future. You have altered the functioning of your immune system, and it cannot be undone.

What are you going to do when your body won't fight infections as it should? Huh? You gonna evince sanctimony, and pity we dumb, stump-jumping yokels? That'll fix things, won't it?

You need to come to terms with what you've done to yourself, and all because of politically-driven fear mongering by people who don't give the first shit about your life or the lives of your family members.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

I have read the so-called "fact-check" and I find it to be more opinion than fact. The author, Saranac Hale Spencer, clearly has different opinions. She also has a "fact-check" entitled: Evidence Points to Safety of COVID-19 Vaccines for Pregnant People. Read that one too, and you will see that the argument is basically: "there's not enough evidence to say they aren't safe, so they are safe."

its is more then alternative opinion. its Sophistry.

for example:
"First, there is no law barring vaccines if treatments are available for a given disease, said Jorge Contreras, a professor in the College of Law at the University of Utah who specializes in intellectual property and genetics and the law. He asked, “Why would there be such a law?”" - its under emergency use authorization. i find the flu analogy comical...

21 U.S. Code § 360bbb–3 - Authorization for medical products for use in emergencies
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(3)that there is no adequate, approved, and available alternative to the product for diagnosing, preventing, or treating such disease or condition;
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linktoUScode

Oh, that reminds me- Pregnant women or women who will become pregnant. Wow, please stop and think about what you are doing, and then don't do it. Don't do it, or you will come to regret it, for yourself and your children, too.

I’m taking my oldest son to the doctor to get his sports physical paperwork filled out so he can continue swimming. That’s a good one in and of itself. Kid’s been on the swim team since he was 8, but every year he needs a Dr to sign off on paperwork saying he’s fit to swim. Anyway, my wife wants me to have him get the vaccine while he’s at the Dr’s. I asked her how many Florida kids have died from the virus, 1,000; 2,000; 10,000? She says she doesn’t know, but it’s enough that our kids need to be vaccinated. It’s 8 for 16 years old and under which works out to 2 in a million cases. She then says, but we don’t know the long term effects. I agree and point out the same is true with the experimental vaccine.

She wants to hear what the Dr. says. Really? The same Dr, who the last time he saw my 5’11”, 150lb, 14 year old boy whose hand me down shoes I’m now wearing, told me my son is going through puberty like it was some kind of revelation?

^^ Have a talk with your son on the way there. I'm confident he will see that the risks outweigh any possible benefits for him.

My sister was in the hospital for over a month, recovering from a horrific car accident where she was ejected and these bastards tried 6 times to force this vaccine on her while she's on all sorts of medications and not in her right mind.

She finally told them to STOP ASKING and GO AWAY.

And she works at Merck where they make all this shit too...

For nearly two years now we have been told not believe what our eyes see. Don't believe the video footage of Antifa and BLM dragging innocent people from their vehicles and beating them in the streets. Don't believe the video footage of the same people burning buildings and looting them. Don't believe the video footage you see of the same people barricading police inside a precinct and trying to set it on fire with them inside. No don't believe any of that and don't believe anyone who tells you these are riots these are peaceful protests and they are not super Covid spreaders.

Officer Chauvin is solely responsible for George Floyds death there can be no other mitigating factors despite what experts will testify to, believe only what we tell you. It's not much different with this vaccine. Don't believe anyone else believe only what we the government and media tells you. And oh by the way if you continue to resist what we tell you we can and will enforce it on you. The days of your right to believe in what you will and live your life accordingly are gone. And the reason is so many so easily complied.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
I’m taking my oldest son to the doctor to get his sports physical paperwork filled out so he can continue swimming. That’s a good one in and of itself. Kid’s been on the swim team since he was 8, but every year he needs a Dr to sign off on paperwork saying he’s fit to swim. Anyway, my wife wants me to have him get the vaccine while he’s at the Dr’s. I asked her how many Florida kids have died from the virus, 1,000; 2,000; 10,000? She says she doesn’t know, but it’s enough that our kids need to be vaccinated. It’s 8 for 16 years old and under which works out to 2 in a million cases. She then says, but we don’t know the long term effects. I agree and point out the same is true with the experimental vaccine.

She wants to hear what the Dr. says. Really? The same Dr, who the last time he saw my 5’11”, 150lb, 14 year old boy whose hand me down shoes I’m now wearing, told me my son is going through puberty like it was some kind of revelation?

Women/wives are ruled by their emotions, many times. It’s time to be unemotional and not allow him to get the vaccine.

My ex wife was emotional. She’s now on her third marriage and it’s on the rocks. It’s a puzzler.

This is long, so I won't post it all here...

Will RNA-Vaccines Gain FDA Approval or Turn Out To Be a Catastrophe?
By Bill Sardi
https://www.lewrockwell.com/20...to-be-a-catastrophe/

Mother nature has been at this war far longer than the naked ape.

Sun Tzu's advice in the battle against her is, don't.


@trapper189

What PowerSurge said.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Originally posted by kkina:
OK, I've watched the video and done the suggested search. It doesn't seem Dr. Cole's assertions stand up to a fact-check...

Idaho Doctor Makes Baseless Claims About Safety of COVID-19 Vaccines

kkina: If you want to argue a specific point in opposition to Dr. Cole's presentation, please do so. But don't point to Factcheck.org, A Project of The Annenberg Public Policy Center, funded by George Soros, which stands in opposition to nearly everything most of us here believe in, to make a blanket statement that Dr. Cole's assertions don't stand up to a fact-check.

I have read the so-called "fact-check" and I find it to be more opinion than fact. The author, Saranac Hale Spencer, clearly has different opinions. She also has a "fact-check" entitled: Evidence Points to Safety of COVID-19 Vaccines for Pregnant People. Read that one too, and you will see that the argument is basically: "there's not enough evidence to say they aren't safe, so they are safe."

It wasn't really my intention to argue anything. I entered this thread simply to add some points of clarification based on my education (biological science). I somehow got drawn into this protein debate, which I worried might happen, and it did, which is my fault. If you disagree with the things I post, feel free to disagree, that's fine, but you shouldn't say what a person can and cannot post.

To be honest, I actually don't have an opinion. I don't know for a fact whether this is a real or perveived pandemic. So I choose to have a middle-of-the-road approach. I follow CDC and local guidelines, no more, no less. The folks saying this is a politically-motivated opportunistic crisis may be absolutely correct, and believe me if it turns out to be, I'll be as mad as anyone.

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If you disagree with the things I post, feel free to disagree, that's fine, but you shouldn't say what a person can and cannot post.

It's not my position to say what a person can and cannot post. I'm simply asking you to speak for yourself and not rely on Factcheck.org if you disagree with something Dr. Cole said.

I really don’t have any trust or faith in FDA, NIH, CDC, USPHS or Fauci and the blithering idiots in the media. I will not alter my body’s immune system and put an experimental agent in my body. My body my choice, you want to do it knock yourself out, want to wrap your head in diaper do it, want to wear gloves all the time have at it. Just do me a favor stay the hell out of my life and my choices, and don’t come preaching to me your philosophy, I don’t want it or the vaccine.

I was speaking for myself. I agreed with the main points of that particular article. Even Snopes gets some things right. What's wrong with posting a link? If anything, the problem is people posting opinions without a supportive link.