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The overlooked superpower of mRNA vaccines

Thanks for starting a thread attempting to have an intelligent discussion by sharing views in a mature manner. My research provided similar outcomes and why I waited to schedule my vaccination with a clinic using Moderna. I will keep the maneuvering required on my part to accomplish that objective by claiming the 5th. To coin an old adage - There is more than one way to skin a cat. As true with vaccines as anything else but the rest of the adage often overlooked as well is - trying different ways leads to discovering the one that gets it done better, easier, and quicker.

How long is any of them effective? Who knows… this is a new technology we tested and launched. We are learning the best possible way - Once satisfied it’s safe, do it, and track performance over time. If we end up needing a booster every 6 months, I will get in line when my 2nd dose ages to 5 months.

That said, with resounding evidence of Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna being superior options, why are we spending our tax dollars on less effective methods. Who is less worthy of the best? I know… I went policy for a moment… by bad.

While I don’t have a ton of available bandwidth to research a lot of new technology that doesn’t have a potential to move me along on the billionaire track , this was one that definitely warranted some of the time I could spare. Beyond reading, I place my healthcare professionals at the top of folks I trust. Hands down, one of these two was at the top of everyone’s list. For me and mine, it was worth whatever I needed to do to get one with a slight preference going to Moderna. Only time will tell if any of us are making the best decisions. But just like that cat skinnin’, in the end one will prove to have been the best one.

PS While the “Troll Turd” comment made me snicker. Politely referring non-productive posters to “that other thread” might be the best path forward to minimize disruption to true adult thought share.

That article does absolutely nothing to motivate me to take one of these miracle drug vaccines as it does not offer any discussion of the potential long term negative effects. And given they've been rushed through and are only be administered under an Emergency Order, no one knows for sure what the personal impacts will be.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
That article does absolutely nothing to motivate me to take one of these miracle drug vaccines as it does not offer any discussion of the potential long term negative effects. And given they've been rushed through and are only be administered under an Emergency Order, no one knows for sure what the personal impacts will be.

My decision to get vaccinated was based heavily on a 42 year old unvaccinated friend in hospital being treated for COVID, had a heart attack in his hospital bed, told me while he was getting wheeled to surgery for two stents said “GET VACCINATED”. A week later he was dead and my wife and I got our first Moderna dose within the next month.

We all have to decide what is best for us and I totally respect anyone’s right to not get vaccinated. I pray we all get to the true other side of this and you are able to make fun of me for listening to the wrong people.

What less effective methods are you referring to? Just curious.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
That article does absolutely nothing to motivate me to take one of these miracle drug vaccines as it does not offer any discussion of the potential long term negative effects. And given they've been rushed through and are only be administered under an Emergency Order, no one knows for sure what the personal impacts will be.

Exactly.
If you want to get the vaccine, go ahead. Wanna wear a mask, do that too.
I have 0 interest and 0 motivation to do either. That's me though.
You do you and I'll do me.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
That article does absolutely nothing to motivate me to take one of these miracle drug vaccines as it does not offer any discussion of the potential long term negative effects. And given they've been rushed through and are only be administered under an Emergency Order, no one knows for sure what the personal impacts will be.

The actual creation of the vaccine recipe was not rushed, it can’t be. The only thing condensed was phase 3 clinical trials. They can normally last a few years and are a very very low number of people in various groups ( 100s to maybe few 1000 at best). And they do groups over time…not all at once. As compared to millions who have had the COVID vaccine.

You see, it’s not really the time as compared to the SIZE of the clinical trial and the number of people who get the trial drug in order to see the effects.

Also, you keep saying the same thing in these threads. We get it, you don’t want the vaccine, great. Do you have anything other than that to add?

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Originally posted by parabellum:
He said "if you ask me", you non-reader, you.

That still means that is what he thinks.

Yes, of course, that's exactly what it means, and you are asking the man to provide evidence to support his opinion, which I find silly, and no doubt, you'll disagree on that.

Since when does opinion require a solid foundation?

Jury still out/study still ongoing. I was initially against the vaccine, but in the end I got it. I waited for the first 100m guinea pigs to enter the study. After that it's pretty safe to say that the short term side effects are pretty darn low. 160-170m or so have gotten the shots, half our population, plus more that have received only one dose.

The chances of death from COVID is far, far greater than the shot. This would need to be adjusted for the chances of catching the virus 35m people have gotten the virus (I suspect twice as many based on asymptomatic cases). So that further lowers chance of death from COVID. I don't have what I believe to be accurate information on cases, deaths, permanent effects for either the virus or the cure. So it's hard to compare. I'm not even going to link the sources I've looked at, but according to the most readily available information there has been 600,000 deaths from COVID and 6,000 from vaccines with 35m infected and 348m doses and half our population fully vaccinated. That amounts to .0017% chance of death from vaccines and 1.7% chance from COVID. Again I trust none of the numbers, but that leaves it 1,000 times more likely to die from COVID and factoring in the doses vs cases 10,000 times. Adjust the numbers however you want to compensate for what you think are wrong numbers either higher or lower. No matter how you slice it with whatever numbers you believe to be accurate. You are way safer getting the shot than the virus.

In the end I risked lower chance for problems/death from vaccines vs virus. The problem is only time will tell what the right decision is. I suggest you both investigate the numbers yourself considering your personal risk factors and in conjunction with with advice from your trusted doctor.

Like all things in life you need to make your personal decisions on the information you have on hand at the time you have it. For instance my wife suffers chronic pain, she's chosen to less effective medicine vs opioids or other riskier medication. Think of every prescription ad you've seen, many list death as a side effect or other really bad side effects. Every day people weigh consequences for medicine they take, choosing what they believe correct for their specific situation.

I suggest you do the same, take all information you can and make the right decision for you. I do think mRNA treatments are a good idea and are a possible game changer, we just need trustable information and a long enough time period to prove it.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
The chances of death from COVID is far, far greater than the shot.

That's not even the half of it anymore- for me and for many in this country, I think. I'm not jumping through their hoops. The harder they try, the more obstinate I become.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
that leaves it 1,000 times more likely to die from vaccines

Did you mean from COVID?

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Originally posted by kkina:

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
that leaves it 1,000 times more likely to die from vaccines

Did you mean from COVID?

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Originally posted by parabellum:
That's not even the half of it anymore- for me and for many in this country, I think. I'm not jumping through their hoops. The harder they try, the more obstinate I become.

I'm in this camp. They lied about every-damn-thing to do with this whole situation. I don't trust.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
The chances of death from COVID is far, far greater than the shot.

That's not even the half of it anymore- for me and for many in this country, I think. I'm not jumping through their hoops. The harder they try, the more obstinate I become.

That's also a factor, I don't want to be forced into anything. I chose to hop in between the early adopters and the now draconian rules/edicts/laws. Given all information at hand and my stubbornness had I waited a month longer it would have affected the decision process.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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Originally posted by kkina:

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
that leaves it 1,000 times more likely to die from vaccines

Did you mean from COVID?

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At least you know someone's reading your posts!

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Originally posted by rduckwor:

I still have mixed feelings about mRNA vaccines. There is no track record in humans and that seems to be a primary desire of the COVID vaccination drive.

RMD

There is some track record. Did you read the article linked earlier?

"Six Month Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine"

https://www.medrxiv.org/conten....21261159v1.full.pdf

Get back to me in FIVE Years...

1 Liter of Ivermectin - will travel.

The long term effects of this experimental MRNA jab is unknown. I would rather give it a year or two and see what unfolds to those who have taken it. Even Phizer admits the long term effects are unknown. How could anyone know, since this is the first time MRNA vaccines have been used.

Also the Government continually flip flopping on every issue (and outright lying) does not instill any confidence that they have a real understanding of this virus or the "vaccines"

I understand why people have taken them, and that is their decision. Many of my family have taken them. A few years ago I got the Shingrix vaccine. I am not anti vaccine.

The government openly deceiving people telling them this is an outbreak of the unvaccinated and it is their fault, when all along they knew the vaccines would not prevent infection or transmission, but MAY prevent less serious disease is reprehensible.

If they have to lie, try to buy compliance, and now force compliance something is terribly wrong.

Yeah, it's not like you're gonna have a third hand grow out of the middle of your forehead or anything like that. Hopefully.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Yeah, it's not like you're gonna have a third hand grow out of the middle of your forehead or anything like that Hopefully.

The chances are not zero.

Perhaps a harmless side effect, such as tightening of the vocal cords, so that anyone who has had the vaccine talks like they've been huffing helium.