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Actual abortions are politically irrelevant. What's HUGELY relevant is the perception of a strong majority of females that banning abortions takes away from them the power to control their own bodies, and they will severely punish any group that tries to do this. Women are already much more liberal than men. The increased political assertiveness of women is why national politics have been drifting more leftward over the years. If Roe is overturned it will push more of them in that direction, and the ones that already are, more strongly that way.
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^^^What makes you think that a 'strong majority' of females are 'Pro-Abortion'? ____________________________________________________________ If Some is Good, and More is Better.....then Too Much, is Just Enough !! Trump 2024....Make America Great Again! "May Almighty God bless the United States of America" - parabellum 7/26/20 Live Free or Die! | |||
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Not to try and exonerate 46&2 for making an ass of himself, but the zealot thing I believe was in response to my comment and agreeing that he couldn't have a reasonable conversation, and what I believe he's saying that any one that is as strongly anti abortion as he is pro abortion (weird combination of words there). Can't have a rational conversation because zealots on either side can't be swayed. That's leaving out 80% of the population that can disagree and have a conversation, maybe heated but at least a rational one. If you fall on either side that strongly opposed/for and have no room for discussion then there's no point in discussing it. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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Stop trying to dig him out. He dug hisself into a hole, let him stay there. The water in Washington won't clear up until we get the pigs out of the creek~Senator John Kennedy | |||
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46and2 is a professed Atheist. (do not have any issue with that). The "name" (46and2 or 46+2) is from part of a belief that mankind has 46 chromosomes and shall evolve another 2, and in that "ascension" to a "higher plane of existence" will "kick off religion et al". So, his "religion" is in direct conflict with Judeo/Christian or more directly, with "Fundamentalists" (or those that believe God created life, and that life begins at conception and all human life is created in "His image" and therefore precious and requiring the utmost sanctity, even beyond the self interest of any single person. This is my opinion, based on the posts he has made over the years along these topics. That said, I do see this thread has provided some good information, as well as helped many understand some of the thoughts and POV that others have. Sometimes it requires some effort and undesirable hands on to get to the "good part" of things. I hope the thread can run and people get benefit. Rather than anyone flinging crap in order to get it locked, or worse, the topic "verboten". Far too often, the loss is everyone's. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Dang. Figuratively, I’d like to see a whacking great chainsaw taken to the Federal government. As jhe888 points out, this is not a constitutional issue and the federal government has no business being involved in it. Just like they had no business invalidating proposition 8 in CA. On the other hand, I’d like to figuratively see all of the Democrats be marched off the plank into a Red tsunami in 2022. I guess it is just as well that I have no ability to impact what happens in this case. I guess I’ll just wait patiently to see how it all turns out. | |||
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Until they spew hate. It's OK and one's own business to not believe in a deity, but too many just can't leave it there. | |||
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Ahhh. Clarity ensues. I, too, don't have a problem with many atheists..I've made my choices and they've made theirs...but there is a religious wing of atheism that holds so devoutly to their beliefs that they become zealots themselves, in order to oppose all things God. This branch of atheists are usually the ones filing endless lawsuits trying to remove any reference to God from money, government buildings, removing Nativity scenes from City Hall, eliminating the Pledge of Allegiance from schools and government meetings, from the U.S. military, etc.. Apparently we, who are religious or those who believe in certain tenets associated with religion, are mere unthinking primitive microbes, in 46and2's enlightened state. sigmonkey, my man, thanks for adding that perspective. Chag urim sameach.  | |||
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That's a heck of an assumption and a terribly flawed argument. I am vehemently opposed to child abuse, human trafficking, and rape even though the victims of those crimes are nearly always strangers to me. There is nothing unprincipled about caring whether terrible things happen to strangers and encouraging those things is morally indefensible (a general proposition I think you'd agree with, since no same person encourages child abuse). Many people believe that abortion is something terrible happening to another person. You might disagree with that position, but I would hope you could at least understand that it is both sincere and rational. | |||
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| Purveyor of Death and Destruction  |
I highly doubt anyone wants to be around you. I'm sure you've treated those close to you the same way you have treated members in this thread.
Of course you would now that you have made a fool of yourself. Why do you find the need to belittle people based on their beliefs? Any time a religious thread pops up, you are right in the middle of it treating people like trash. You truely are a horrible person. I'm not saying that based on how you feel about this topic but by how you treat other people. | |||
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sigmonkey thank you for the enlightenment of the 46 + 2 belief (or theory). I'd never heard of it until I read your post. From my research, it's very "interesting" to say the least. | |||
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| Why don’t you fix your little problem and light this candle  |
So what if we removed religion from the discussion? Even politics of a women's body. When does life begin? It is surprising to me that science can't even settle this one. Some argue thst it is at conception when the new strand of unique DNA is formed. All the way up to the 5 year old who truly starts to display individuality. If you do not accept life at conception then there is a sliding scale of factors used to evaluate the start of 'life'. 15 weeks, pre birth. Birth to 1, etc. For me, I believe the science supports the idea that life begins at conception with the strongest argument. All other arguments involve different blending of morality, religion, politics, with some science thrown in. My personal favorite is the scientist arguing that lil Johnny can be disposed of at 4 because he can't establish true Indivualality. But if you do accept that life begins at conception then you would rightly act accordingly. What does this mean? A few weeks ago early on a Sunday morning. a young female was in line at the pharmacist in front of me. She kept looking over her shoulder at me. You guessed it she was picking up Plan B. I did not engage, I picked up the box of children's Sudafed and went home. I am still haunted by my own inaction. If I really believed she was killing a life why did I not at least engage? Would it be different if I saw that same woman destroying her 1 year old rather than a baby in the womb? I am still trying to work this out. This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it. -Rear Admiral (Lower Half) Joshua Painter Played by Senator Fred Thompson | |||
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Life begins at conception. There really is no debate about that. The question is when does that life begin to matter. That is the only question people quibble about. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Can society tell a woman what she cannot do with her body? Yes. She cannot use it to steal, assault other's, drive under the influence, sell cocaine, drive too fast, Jay walk, litter, commit arson, and murder. Same goes for men. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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You also aren’t allowed to put illegal drugs in your body, or you cannot sell a kidney. It really isn’t your body in other areas, so why is it held sacrosanct wrt abortion? Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
Right, Balzé Halzé. But, as we continue to adopt a socialistic and collectivist mentality, individual life does not matter. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| I kneel for my God, and I stand for my flag |
Maybe a little off topic, but it always amazes me how leftists are pro abortion and anti death penalty. One has no choice in life, and the other has made their life's choice. | |||
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The Left accommodates guilt and ignores the value of innocence. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Back to the OP, before 46and2 derailed. 83v45magna: You do seem very worried about this. Has anything in this thread changed your mind, even a little? How about the fact that Roe v. Wade did NOT solve the issue 5 decades ago when the Supremes pre-empted States rights? In fact, it wasn't as big of an issue back then as it is now. After all, if you lived in Missouri and wanted an abortion all you had to do was hop in the car and cross the river into Illinois. One state permitted it, one did not. Over-turning Roe v Wade would return power to the States and to the people through their elected representatives. See steve495's post on the first page. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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God is not sitting on his hands. I won't bring up religion when debating abortion. It's completely irrelevant to my argument. Plus, it falls under the 'appealing to authority' fallacy. It's a useless argument to someone who doesn't believe in God. If someone is religious, then I'll include religion in my arguments. The statement above is something I *try* to remind myself of when I get really discouraged about this topic. Year V | |||
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