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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:
I typically avoid discussing this topic in general, and especially with people I haven't met or don't know well, for all the obvious reasons.. but I'm going to make an exception in this thread, to share a story...
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Whatever your beliefs, the federal government needs to get out of the business of promoting, facilitating, and funding abortions, and the decision needs to be returned to the states.

Well said, Modern Day Savage. Thanks for sharing that story.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
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Once again John Roberts will twist the opinion to the breaking point, and/or rewrite the law so everything remains the same. He's done it before. Roe and Casey will stand at the end of all of this.


John Roberts is no longer the swing vote. Without another from the right joining him, he cannot stop the other conservative justices. The arrogance and sexism of RBG is now fully biting the statists in the ass.



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I view the high court as being divided into thirds. 3 left, 3 moderate, and 3 right. How do the moderates usually break on tough cases?


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Right down the middle. That's why it's a crap shoot.
 
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I speak jive.
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For whatever it's worth, you all, the individuals here on this forum, deserve kinder and more respectful language here than what I used, and for that I apologize. It isn't necessary to speak to you specific people that way, and it was wrong of me.

I make zero apologies for the gist of my message, however, but I didn't have to be so rude and engage in the name calling and insults to make my points.

The political consequences for this attack on Roe are going to be severe, I bet.

The folks behind it really ought to quit.
 
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Appreciate that.


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This is the first time I looked into this thread and found I was absolutely appalled at what 46and2 posted.

No point in even starting to outline all the things constitutionally, morally, and ethically wrong with Roe V Wade as it would be lost on someone whose emotions are so out of control.

Truly sad.....

Yes, it does describe well the divide in our country. This is what those in power want anyway, the more divided we are and the more we hate each other, the longer they stay in power - getting richer every day and doing nothing that needs to be done.

I have friends that are very liberal with beliefs totally opposite me, yet I can talk with them and neither of us gets angry. We actually take turns buying each other lunch. We go on believing what we want without getting psycho over it. I call one friend little O (for Obama) and he calls me little Ted and neither of us get mad. It used to be like that and it gets more like the post you mentioned today when opposite sides try and discuss things we used to be able to talk about. We have become what they wanted, divided to the death. Our hate for one another keeps them in power. If you go along you are no more than a puppet for them.
 
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For whatever it's worth, you all, the individuals here on this forum, deserve kinder and more respectful language here than what I used, and for that I apologize. It isn't necessary to speak to you specific people that way, and it was wrong of me.

I make zero apologies for the gist of my message, however, but I didn't have to be so rude and engage in the name calling and insults to make my points.

The political consequences for this attack on Roe are going to be severe, I bet.

The folks behind it really ought to quit.


This is the problem when you try to have a conversation with a zealot on either side. It results in emotional arguments and name calling.

If you can without name calling or getting worked up lay out your argument for which section of the constitution grants the right to have an abortion, I'd be interested to know your thoughts on it. I would especially like to know what section covers taking money from me to fund others abortions.



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Originally posted by 46and2:
...the gist of my message....

The political consequences for this attack on Roe are going to be severe, I bet.

The folks behind it really ought to quit.


So the issue is that you fear it will totally energize the left or is it just that you agree with the side of pro-abortion?

If it is the former then you are way off, if the latter then why not just say that?
 
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I make zero apologies for the gist of my message, however, but I didn't have to be so rude and engage in the name calling and insults to make my points.

The political consequences for this attack on Roe are going to be severe, I bet.

The folks behind it really ought to quit.


You don't need to make any apology. Your original post along with this one lets people know where you stand. You seem to feel that anyone pursuing their deeply held beliefs on life will cause yourself and like minded people to actively support leftist candidates either with labor and/or money. If that's the way you feel (and it surely seems it is) from the bottom of your heart, you shouldn't apologize. It will give many who read this thread certain insights into your past and future posts.
 
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You don't need to make any apology. Your original post along with this one lets people know where you stand. You seem to feel that anyone pursuing their deeply held beliefs on life will cause yourself and like minded people to actively support leftist candidates either with labor and/or money. If that's the way you feel (and it surely seems it is) from the bottom of your heart, you shouldn't apologize. It will give many who read this thread certain insights into your past and future posts.

He didn't apologize for his position.



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^^^ I realize that, thus my comment about insights into his past and future posts. I believe that he has and will support pro-choice leftists but others can draw their own conclusions.
 
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46and2 is a Republican, who happens to be staunchly and dogmatically pro-choice. He's unwavering in his position. That's all it is. I don't think there's anything more to it than that.


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46and2 is a Republican, who happens to be staunchly and dogmatically pro-choice. He's unwavering in his position. That's all it is. I don't think there's anything more to it than that.


Except his delusion that in reality everyone in the middle {politically} (both sides) has his same view.
I think he is wrong on that.
It's not just the so-called radical-religious-right that is Pro-Life ~ I believe it cuts across the whole spectrum {politically} and in reality is more gray than a pure black/white issue.
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Except his delusion that in reality everyone in the middle {politically} (both sides) has his same view.
I think he is wrong on that.


We agree.


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Except his delusion that in reality everyone in the middle {politically} (both sides) has his same view.
I think he is wrong on that.
It's not just the so-called radical-religious-right that is Pro-Life ~ I believe it cuts across the whole spectrum {politically} and in reality is more gray than a pure black/white issue.
.02


I'm a Christian, so obviously pro life, but I'd like to think that if I weren't a Christian, I'd still be dedicated to protecting the most vulnerable form of life .... the fully human but yet unborn.



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Look, I've already been as polite about this topic as I'm capable of, and as you've seen - that's not even very polite at all.

Understand, I genuinely think most anti abortion supporters have lost their minds, and aren't even worth talking to about it.

That some folks I otherwise like, love, and respect are included in that group is a rub, obviously, and complicates things.

Honestly, I'd prefer Para ban the topic entirely from the forums, to rid ourselves of this divisive issue that may destroy us.

The last thing we need is more infighting. We have monumentally, immeasurably, more important shit to worry about than this.

But no, zealots can't not meddle.

All over a bunch of kids none of you even give any real fucks about, and you know it. It's all posturing, ideology, and meddling.

Bullshit, in the simplest sense.

Shameful, devisive, bullshit.

...

Goodnight, really. This is going nowhere.

Let's focus on our commonalities instead.
 
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McAullif tried to use this card during the VA elections. It fell flat. Parents are more worried about CRT and the quality of education than they are about abortion.

Richard Baris has been one of the most accurate pollsters in the past five years. We hate polls but I use him, Rasmussen, and Trafalgar to gage sentiment as they have been the most on point.

Here is what he has to say.



https://mobile.twitter.com/Peo.../1466433727966416901


I spent some time on the data table referenced in the tweet; very informative.

Thanks for posting this.

Silent
 
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Look, I've already been as polite about this topic as I'm capable of, and as you've seen - that's not even very polite at all.

Understand, I genuinely think most anti abortion supporters have lost their minds, and aren't even worth talking to about it.

That some folks I otherwise like, love, and respect are included in that group is a rub, obviously, and complicates things.

Honestly, I'd prefer Para ban the topic entirely from the forums, to rid ourselves of this divisive issue that may destroy us.

The last thing we need is more infighting. We have monumentally, immeasurably, more important shit to worry about than this.

But no, zealots can't not meddle.

All over a bunch of kids none of you even give any real fucks about, and you know it. It's all posturing, ideology, and meddling.

Bullshit, in the simplest sense.

Shameful, devisive, bullshit.

...

Goodnight, really. This is going nowhere.

Let's focus on our commonalities instead.

This reveals a lot about you more than it does anyone else, yet you still blame the other side and make baseless accusations on characters of people you do not know. You don't know enough about me and most others posting here to know our true level of concern for the aborted. So stop your finger pointing, your actions have proven you're just a pawn. Take a deep look at yourself and stop worrying about others. It seems like everyone else opposite your view are bad guys. It could be the other way around. And I'm sure Para will end up locking this, you've proven well by your first post the inability to be civil.
 
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Originally posted by 46and2:

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Honestly, I'd prefer Para ban the topic entirely from the forums, to rid ourselves of this divisive issue that may destroy us.

The last thing we need is more infighting. We have monumentally, immeasurably, more important shit to worry about than this.

But no, zealots can't not meddle. ....



I for one have found this thread to be informative. The discussion has been tame for the most part, even where people disagree. The only real eruption was from you. When you apologized for your tone, members here accepted it and moved on, some even defending you.

Good lord man, you took a shit in this thread and are yelling "this is why we can't have nice things", and you want the topic banned?

There are topics or positions that arise here from time to time that I don't like or agree with. The answer for me is simple, I don't participate in them.

I think the members here are handling this pretty well and I don't see this as some massively dividing issue for the forum.



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