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Originally posted by flashguy:
A NH Senator predicts a "revolution" if Roe v. Wade is overturned.

flashguy

Ridiculous.

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Originally posted by Keystoner:

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Originally posted by Fed161:
I am on the pro-life side of this issue, although I am not an absolutist. I could never deny a rape victim an abortion, and I don't see how anyone could.

Have you tried? I think I can see your point of view and I suspect it isn’t consistent. Why do you consider yourself pro-life? Is it because you value the life of the unborn and you don’t think it is justified to kill it when weighed against, for example, an irresponsible couple who doesn’t want it and for whom it would be inconvenient, for whatever reasons, to have a baby? In the case of rape, now you can justify it. Now you value the rape victim over the human life inside her—is that right?

I can certainly understand why anyone would say I am being inconsistent. I plead guilty. All I can do is think of some 13 year old rape victim who becomes pregnant as a result of a rape. (Yes, it can happen.) I just couldn't tell the girl or her parents, tough, you have to have the baby. If you can't draw a moral distinction between that situation, and another woman who uses abortion as a form of birth control, I can't help you.

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Originally posted by flashguy:
A NH Senator predicts a "revolution" if Roe v. Wade is overturned. How can that be--most of the guns are owned by men.

flashguy

Good. I would rather they fire the first shot.

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Originally posted by Fed161:

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Originally posted by Keystoner:

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Originally posted by Fed161:
I am on the pro-life side of this issue, although I am not an absolutist. I could never deny a rape victim an abortion, and I don't see how anyone could.

Have you tried? I think I can see your point of view and I suspect it isn’t consistent. Why do you consider yourself pro-life? Is it because you value the life of the unborn and you don’t think it is justified to kill it when weighed against, for example, an irresponsible couple who doesn’t want it and for whom it would be inconvenient, for whatever reasons, to have a baby? In the case of rape, now you can justify it. Now you value the rape victim over the human life inside her—is that right?

I can certainly understand why anyone would say I am being inconsistent. I plead guilty. All I can do is think of some 13 year old rape victim who becomes pregnant as a result of a rape. (Yes, it can happen.) I just couldn't tell the girl or her parents, tough, you have to have the baby. If you can't draw a moral distinction between that situation, and another woman who uses abortion as a form of birth control, I can't help you.

An awful situation. Murdering a baby won’t make it better.

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Originally posted by gw3971:

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Originally posted by flashguy:
A NH Senator predicts a "revolution" if Roe v. Wade is overturned. How can that be--most of the guns are owned by men.

flashguy

Good. I would rather they fire the first shot.

Unfortunately, we have a couple of VERY Unimpressive, EXTREMELY Partisan, Leftist Democrat Senators currently representing the Granite State.

I'm utterly repulsed by the left, to include EVERYTHING they say and/or do at this point! Sooo that said, if their side is willing to start one...

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Originally posted by Fed161:
I can certainly understand why anyone would say I am being inconsistent. I plead guilty. All I can do is think of some 13 year old rape victim who becomes pregnant as a result of a rape. (Yes, it can happen.) I just couldn't tell the girl or her parents, tough, you have to have the baby. If you can't draw a moral distinction between that situation, and another woman who uses abortion as a form of birth control, I can't help you.

I still don't understand the inconsistency because you didn't answer why you're pro-life. I recognize you care for the 13 yo rape victim but why are you against the abortion for the couple using it as birth control? Are you trying to punish them?

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Originally posted by flashguy:
A NH Senator predicts a "revolution" if Roe v. Wade is overturned.

flashguy

Does anyone need any more proof that some of these retards in Washington are indeed mentally retarded. Witness the face of the retarded among us.

Hassan


Shaheen

For doth it profit a man (woman) to gain the whole world but lose his soul?

Mark 8:36 IIRC

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by flashguy:
A NH Senator predicts a "revolution" if Roe v. Wade is overturned.

flashguy

Ridiculous.

Yet more attempts to demoralize conservatives.

"Oh no, if we win this battle we will lose the war."

"Leftists will rally and overwhelm us."
"There will be a revolution."

At this point, post-stolen election, I refuse to consider ANY suggestions to give up territory. I would rather see the Republican party collapse than for them to abandon its stand against abortion.

I've only read part of this thread. But it doesn't matter. All those lefties are voting for the next communist to come along. We will never get their vote, no matter what the SC does.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
I've voted Republican my entire life and I will help the Left (politically) crush the pro life movement myself, if it comes to that and this kooky b.s. is successful.

I know lots of folks moving to Texas to help flip it, and none of them vote GOP, and that's just one vector of political vulnerability that the GOP faces nationwide.

This is a religious political legal figurative-coup, overtruning Roe, and it will have major consequences, politically speaking. You're driving the middle away with this religious fundamentalist insanity.

It's incredibly short sighted and may be the straw that breaks the proverbial camel's back. Without the middle, the Right may never win another Presidency.

You kooky fucks with backwards priorities may destroy the whole thing with your selfish attempts to enforce your beliefs on others under the guise of this b.s.

Fuck you all, when it comes to this topic. You really don't want people like me helping the Left in any way whatsoever. You very much need my vote and support.

The (legal, non violent, etc) consequences for overturning Roe will be dire, I bet.

You dickheads are playing dangerous political games, and it will be costly, I think.

Fucking loathsome meddlesome assholes, those who pursue this topic, you appallingly simple minded motherfuckers, seriously, fuck... you... all..., regarding this topic.

Stow your responses, you've earned this shit.

Have a lovely day.

Wow, that's quite a strong argument there. What you have typed out sounds like the words of a mad man.

I've never understood you pro-abortion people. It's not something to be celebrated or admired. You are killing what if left to nature would be a healthy baby.

I'm not pro life myself, more of a pragmatist. We don't have the ability to adopt out all the unwanted babies nor do we have the infrastructure for large orphanages. So while I think it's beyond immortal to do, if people want to kill their babies I'm not going to stop them. If it were my child, no way in hell. If it were a friend or loved ones child I'd do anything I could to change their minds.

This case is not about getting rid of abortions, it's about if a state has the right to set its own laws in this case it would be to limit abortion after 15 weeks. That's 3 3/4 months. That's a long time to mull it over. Let's say you don't notice the first two missed periods, that still allows seven weeks to makes decision, set an appointment, and have a doctor take a shop vac to your uterus. It will not change a law in any states that favor abortion, it will allow states to pass laws with reasonable limitations.

I believe it's perfectly reasonable to abort a pregnancy for rape/incest, for the health of the mother, or a little more controversial if the baby has a serious health/genetic defect.

In the end there IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to an abortion. Read it, re-read it, read it backwards, read it skipping every other word, read it in Spanish, however you read it, it doesn't exist.

Abortion should be a states right issue for one. Second, I do not want a penny of my money going towards it, or towards any institution that performs abortions period, full stop.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

I'm not pro life myself, more of a pragmatist. We don't have the ability to adopt out all the unwanted babies

That is patently false. It's simply amazing to me how people come to believe these things from the pro-abortion propagandists that simply aren't true. There are dozens of parents waiting to adopt a newborn baby for every one baby that is placed for adoption.

If these babies are not wanted by their mothers, there are literally millions of couples who otherwise can't have children who do.

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Originally posted by ElToro:
I’m pretty sure this is why Para has nuked these threads for 20 years.

Yes, from orbit.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

I'm not pro life myself, more of a pragmatist. We don't have the ability to adopt out all the unwanted babies

That is patently false. It's simply amazing to me how people come to believe these things from the pro-abortion propagandists that simply aren't true. There are dozens of parents waiting to adopt a newborn baby for every one baby that is placed for adoption.

If these babies are not wanted by their mothers, there are literally millions of couples who otherwise can't have children who do.

I just assumed because there are such things as orphanages and foster parents. I've done work before in places with kids with no parents.

Do you know this to be fact? I'm not being argumentative, I honestly thought there were a lot of unwanted children out there. Maybe it's different for babies, those are probably in higher demand?

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

Do you know this to be fact? I'm not being argumentative, I honestly thought there were a lot of unwanted children out there. Maybe it's different for babies, those are probably in higher demand?

You're right, there are a lot of children in orphanages and foster care. And you're also right that most couples want babies, which for many reasons is understandable. So yes, I'm referring to newborns.

I typically avoid discussing this topic in general, and especially with people I haven't met or don't know well, for all the obvious reasons.. but I'm going to make an exception in this thread, to share a story.

Years ago, a family member had a female co-worker and they became friends. Eventually I was introduced to her and we became good friends also for several years.. until a silly stupid email I forwarded out to our friends reached her. Misunderstanding, feelings got hurt, and we stopped talking.

She met another co-worker where she worked (I had met him several times without her, really solid good guy), and after a decent dating period, they eventually married. They spent the first few years enjoying young married couple life, and then made the decision to start a family, and she became pregnant.

We still hadn't started talking again at this point, but my family member who remained friends with both her and her husband, told me their pregnancy story.

The early pregnancy was uneventful, however sometime in the early to mid 2nd trimester her doctor determined that she was leaking amniotic fluid. In addition to other courses of actions and treatments, and more frequent check ups, he wanted her to minimize physical activity and prescribed bedrest, so she took a leave from work and stayed flat on her back for most of the rest of the pregnancy.
Her husband had previously switched to a new career so she was the major bread winner at the time, but they did what they needed to make it.

In the mid to late part of the 3rd trimester, despite following all the doctors' recommendations, they received the news that the baby wouldn't likely survive until birth, and even if the baby made it to birth there were significant physical problems detected and likely would have significant cognitive challenges, and the doctor didn't think the baby would live long after birth.

I don't know what specific factors they weighed or what influenced their decision, but this young healthy married couple who wanted a family, ultimately made the decision to terminate the pregnancy.

They waited a couple years and tried again, and today they have two active healthy boys.

My faith, my beliefs, leads me to consider myself Pro Life... and yet I can't find it in my heart to condemn, or even judge, this couple for their decision.

Although I've always considered myself Pro Life, my position on abortion has evolved. Previously, while opposed to abortion, I felt it was a problem that government should avoid taking action on and instead should be dealt with at the societal level... but, I've come to believe that one of governments' key responsibilities should be to care for those who are most vulnerable and least able to care for themselves.

If a government can't, or won't, protect it's citizens, including unborn children, then what good is it anyways?

I'm staunchly opposed to abortion as a form of birth control but, grudgingly hesitatingly, I do think that exceptions for rape, incest, or in the rare instances when the mother's or baby's life is at risk are reasonable exceptions...although I would like to offer and encourage alternatives to abortions to pregnant women in these cases.

For all the tax payer money wasted on public boondoggles, I'd be in favor of public-private orphanage partnerships, that encouraged education, discipline, and adoption.

Roe v. Wade was bad law and nothing more than judicial activism. There is no human or Constitutional right to an abortion.

The Left is always going to pout and find a reason to throw a temper tantrum, and I'm done trying to placate unreasonable emotional uninformed hypocrites by compromising Conservative principles. Let them pitch their bitch..and if the abortion issue happens to be the the hill they decide to die on, then so be it.

Whatever your beliefs, the federal government needs to get out of the business of promoting, facilitating, and funding abortions, and the decision needs to be returned to the states.

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Worth a listen if you got the time.

Margaret Sanger’s original goal for Planned Parenthood was to “help kill black babies before they came into the world, because Negroes multiple too fast.”
“the other most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective.”


Today it is urban Birth contraception.The vast magority of these "Clinic" are located in minority parts of towns/cities.

This is a losing political tool for the republicans and a rally cry for dems.

Once again John Roberts will twist the opinion to the breaking point, and/or rewrite the law so everything remains the same. He's done it before. Roe and Casey will stand at the end of all of this.

I could wash my hands of this atrocity if they didn’t use my tax dollars to fund it, but they do.