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This is the first time I looked into this thread and found I was absolutely appalled at what 46and2 posted. No point in even starting to outline all the things constitutionally, morally, and ethically wrong with Roe V Wade as it would be lost on someone whose emotions are so out of control. Truly sad..... Certifiable member of the gun toting, septuagenarian, bucket list workin', crazed retiree, bald is beautiful club! USN (RET), COTEP #192 | |||
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I have a brother. He's 7 years younger than I am. He calls himself a conservative but I don't think that word means what he thinks it means. Anyway, I govern my political perspectives based on what I define as true principles. One of those principles is that we don't kill the innocent for profit nor convenience in the womb nor out. Period. He disagrees. As is his M/O, whenever we discuss a topic upon which we disagree and I start with the principle and work Socratically toward the end of the argument, he begins to get emotional, aggressive and pulls some emotive moral supremacy card out of his butt crack. He has to. He can't argue the principle. His only option is to derail the conversation with insults, condescension and dismissals. Now, he's not as vulgar as 46and2, but it's the same technique. My brother and I don't talk anymore. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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| A teetotaling beer aficionado  |
Hmm, while I'm sure there those who have moved to Texas and are Dems, I have a hard time believing there are droves of people, pulling up stakes in other states and moving to Texas for the sole purpose of casting their one vote the "flip" the state. Fare easier to just continue to game the voting system. Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks. Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again, poor fools. And their grandchildren are once more slaves. -D.H. Lawrence | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
I think you are on to something there, darth. This describes perfectly well why we can't have discussions with some people We simply have to defeat them, one way or another. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Have you tried? I think I can see your point of view and I suspect it isn’t consistent. Why do you consider yourself pro-life? Is it because you value the life of the unborn and you don’t think it is justified to kill it when weighed against, for example, an irresponsible couple who doesn’t want it and for whom it would be inconvenient, for whatever reasons, to have a baby? In the case of rape, now you can justify it. Now you value the rape victim over the human life inside her—is that right? I appreciate the sympathy for rape victims. I hate being accused of not caring for them. To be sure, I want the most extreme tortuous punishment for rapists. Pro-choice people always assume the worst possible scenarios for the remainder of the life of the mother and child. This is what they’re doing when they bring up rape. They care, but they prefer to assume the worst instead of giving the kid a chance to change and create their own circumstances in life. I have hope for what positive life can bring and I envision the baby growing up to be eternally grateful to the mother for letting him or her live. Year V | |||
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That's one of the most extreme positions in favor of abortion I've ever encountered. Roe was never legit law...even leftist realize this fact. Can't imagine why you would think the 'middle' is in favor of pretending the Constitution takes a position on abortion. The States will better reflect the actual will of the voters. | |||
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I’m pretty sure this is why Para has nuked these threads for 20 years. If definitely needs to be a states rights issue as do almost all issues. But the left & media will never explain it to the masses that way. It will get spun as hand maids tale and republicans anti women and all that crap. | |||
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Well I'm convinced.  Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus | |||
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Same here. I was on the fence but when presented with the above sound and logical arguments I've made a decision. | |||
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His whole argument is 'we have to save the party.' Year V | |||
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^^^ To that point, in regards to Roe and it being precedent, the pro-abortion advocates seem to have only one argument in front of the Supreme Court. And that is "no backsies!" ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| His diet consists of black coffee, and sarcasm.  |
I was leaning in the direction of "safe, legal and rare," but this and other antics have driven me away from even this. | |||
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And how do you approach the issue of choosing between the life/health of the woman or the life of the baby if the latter is placing the former at risk? To me this entire topic is both difficult and there are no simple or one size fits all answers to it. The Left has taken this issue so far into absurdity that its easy to categorically oppose them on it (and I do), but in reality there 'has' to be some reasonable/rational middle ground on the topic. I'm not about to suggest where that line should or shouldn't be drawn, just that the issue itself is not fully black and white in 100% of cases. All that said, the primary issue with Roe to me is that its just horrible jurisprudence by the high court. On that basis alone it should be overturned. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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In this case the life of the mother takes precedence. Fortunately, this is an extremely rare case. I rationalize this the same way I do when it comes to taking any other life in self-defense. Year V | |||
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I have long understood that some people cannot be convinced of truth. They must simply be defeated. More recently I’ve come to understand that emotionalism prevents recognition and acceptance of truth and appears to be the common thread that links those for whom the only option is defeat. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
There is never a situation where an abortion is performed to "save the life of the mother." Never. Don't fall into this trap. If we're talking about an ectopic pregnancy, that is a situation where the fetus would die no matter what anyway. If surgery were not performed in this case, both the mother and baby would die, so obviously the pregnancy must be terminated. That is not an "abortion" as we're discussing it. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Agreed. My only reason for posing the question was to suggest that sitting on the extremes of either side of this issue is likely not rational as there are always nuanced issues to address. The biggest problem I see at this point is trying to drag this issue back to some rational point after allowing it to move so far to the left over the past 20 years that its currently abhorrent to most moral/ethical people. Overturning Roe is a good start though. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Glorious SPAM! |
I would feel much better if you just left the republican party and continued voting with your murdering friends on all topics. | |||
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Except that this is most likely a lie. In all probability, this person is one of those liberals who go in social media and state that they are gun owners/support free speech/free markets etc *BUT* are aligned with the left in all but name. Even if it were not so (which I doubt, but let’s admit it «ad argumentandum») nobody needs or wants more David Frenchs, John McCains or Mitt Romneys. Screw the lot of them. Lstly: if one cannot draw the line on «killing babies is wrong in 99.9999999% of the cases», well, we know that one is evil - within or without a religious framework. | |||
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| Muzzle flash aficionado  |
A NH Senator predicts a "revolution" if Roe v. Wade is overturned. How can that be--most of the guns are owned by men. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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