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Telecom Ronin
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I've watch many of the twitter videos. What stands out most to me is how quickly the supposed shooter was identified and how easy it was to piece together the events. Of course this is an expected outcome with the number of cameras recording from all angles, but it's still a stark contrast to the recent past when cameras weren't ubiquitous.

Thinking of this from a home defense situation, standing outside and making yourself obvious with a firearm to scare off the rioters may not be the best approach. BLM/Antifa are clearly not intimidated by the "good guy" with a gun, they would now have your face/description on multiple videos, and they are also bringing their own firearms. Probably best to stay completely out of sight until you have no other choice.

Oh, and don't march yourself into the center of the chaos without a good exit. Green shirt guy is lucky he didn't get dropped before he got out.


I would think if you are putting yourself in a situation where people are throwing fire like a D&D wizard a nomex balaclava might be a good thing to wear....for multiple reasons.

Here's what I picked up recently

https://www.amazon.com/BLACKHA...b%2Caps%2C233&sr=8-5
 
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The guy that got shot in the head was an aggressive agitator filmed earlier harassing and taunting people to shoot him. "Shoot me nigga."

About 3/4 of the way thru the video. The bald guy with the baggy capri shorts on.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1298474730966659072


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Green shirt guy is lucky he didn't get dropped before he got out.


Yes, I am reminded of the statement, “Having a gun doesn’t make you armed any more than having a guitar makes you a musician.”

There is more to surviving being surrounded by aggressive hostile enemies than having a gun or even being proficient with it. Good tactics, situational awareness, and even common sense are also necessary.

Several of his attackers got within arm's length of the green shirt guy before he started firing; what if one of them with a gun had shot him in the back or while he was lying on the ground?




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Green shirt guy is lucky he didn't get dropped before he got out.


Yes, I am reminded of the statement, “Having a gun doesn’t make you armed any more than having a guitar makes you a musician.”

There is more to surviving being surrounded by aggressive hostile enemies than having a gun or even being proficient with it. Good tactics, situational awareness, and even common sense are also necessary.

Several of his attackers got within arm's length of the green shirt guy before he started firing; what if one of them with a gun had shot him in the back or while he was lying on the ground?


Seems to me he did pretty well defending himself, considering the circumstances.
 
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Micropterus:
The guy that got shot in the head was an aggressive agitator filmed earlier harassing and taunting people to shoot him. "Shoot me nigga."

About 3/4 of the way thru the video. The bald guy with the baggy capri shorts on.

[url=https://twitter.com/i/status/129847473096665

9072]https://twitter.com/i/status/1298474730966659072[/url][/QUOTE

Maybe this will let some of these woke kids realize that there are consequences to burning a car dealership and threatening people with a Molotov cocktail.
 
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Originally posted by Micropterus:
The guy that got shot in the head was an aggressive agitator filmed earlier harassing and taunting people to shoot him. "Shoot me nigga."

About 3/4 of the way thru the video. The bald guy with the baggy capri shorts on.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1298474730966659072
So, we have peope who were certain that armed opponents would not use their tools to defend themselves, not even when chased. That guy was was killed by his own monumental stupidity and overconfidence.

Has the shooter turned himself in? He needs to retain the best lawyer he can afford and turn himself in ASAP.
 
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So, we have peope who were certain that armed opponents would not use their tools to defend themselves, not even when chased. That guy was was killed by his own monumental stupidity and overconfidence.


This is part of the entire problem. They take this same approach with cops too. The guy who originally got shot in Kenosha got up and walked away from cops who had their guns drawn and tried to open his car door.

This general attitude that they can do whatever they want and not be shot is at least part of the problem. I'm sure bad cops are also part of it, but we'll never solve the issue if they don't see that you can't act like an ass when guns are out and expect to live.

I could argue this is actually the majority of the problem and not police training, but who really cares about the percentage share, they just need to realize it's a meaningful part of the problem if they want to stop being shot.
 
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Until XX admits he did shoot the head wound guy, or as yet undisclosed video shows him doing so, or there is ballistic evidence showing he did so, he gets from me the assumption of innocence our system if justice is built upon.

Why are you naming him then?



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GS guy needs to wear a shirt with "FighterAce" decals for every kill/down - what would be an appropriate symbol?
No, it wouldn't. Cool it with that stuff. Nothing about this is funny.
 
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I don't see Green Shirt being charged, unless it was a leftist DA. He was being chased, then a Molotov cocktail was thrown at him, and they continued to chase him down. He shot in pure self defense.

Then the mob went after him, he only shot in self defense when they were actually attacking him.


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Like the Koreans did in the LA riots...


I was one of those roof Koreans. Here are some brief thoughts about what was learned then that may apply now:

1)When elected officials abandon their duties, it is up to citizens to do theirs. It is not easy, but loosing everything and having your family become destitute isn't either. The left is saying "it's just property", but it really isn't. Real lives and livelihoods, that often took decades to build are at stake.

2)Even back in the digital dark ages of 92, "photo-journalists" were everywhere. Granted it wasn't instant, but pretty fast. As today, most of the "reporting" was factually wrong.

3)Don't fall into the idea that there is some reasonably tactical defense plan. There isn't one. This isn't war, heck, it isn't even an armed conflict. It's just a few people being non paid mall security.

Also, let's not judge too harshly what the good guys should be doing, or should have done. Unless you are willing to stand your ground there for a few nights with little support, it really is just speculation.

Interesting fact, one of the roof Koreans, Ken Lee is the reason the 9th Circuit has swung to the conservative side and a big reason CA mag restriction got overturned. A true Trump judge.


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https://www.breitbart.com/poli...armed-with-long-gun/

The shooting came on the third night of violent protests that have torn through Kenosha.

It followed White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows stating Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers (D) rejected offers from the White House for additional National Guard help to deal with the unrest convulsing the city

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DEM governors and DEM mayors - as guilty as the Antifa and BLM mobs that are looting, burning buildings and beating people.
 
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Originally posted by parabellum:
So, we have peope who were certain that armed opponents would not use their tools to defend themselves, not even when chased. That guy was was killed by his own monumental stupidity and overconfidence.

Has the shooter turned himself in? He needs to retain the best lawyer he can afford and turn himself in ASAP.


Reportedly the guy defending himself is a 17 yo kid. Being chased by an angry mob with intent to do him harm and he won. God help this guy, he is in for a rough ride.



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As I said last night, the people out there are too young.
 
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Like the Koreans did in the LA riots...


I was one of those roof Koreans. Here are some brief thoughts about what was learned then that may apply now:

1)When elected officials abandon their duties, it is up to citizens to do theirs. It is not easy, but loosing everything and having your family become destitute isn't either. The left is saying "it's just property", but it really isn't. Real lives and livelihoods, that often took decades to build are at stake.

2)Even back in the digital dark ages of 92, "photo-journalists" were everywhere. Granted it wasn't instant, but pretty fast. As today, most of the "reporting" was factually wrong.

3)Don't fall into the idea that there is some reasonably tactical defense plan. There isn't one. This isn't war, heck, it isn't even an armed conflict. It's just a few people being non paid mall security.

Also, let's not judge too harshly what the good guys should be doing, or should have done. Unless you are willing to stand your ground there for a few nights with little support, it really is just speculation.

Interesting fact, one of the roof Koreans, Ken Lee is the reason the 9th Circuit has swung to the conservative side and a big reason CA mag restriction got overturned. A true Trump judge.


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Small world. One of my best friends from law school is Korean and from LA. His family owned a strip mall, maybe the one your were on, that had armed guards on it. IIRC, Dave was telling me their property was the only property that survived the fires in a several block area.


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Remember Nick Sandmann. Remember all the videos, all the commentary, all the eye-witnesses. They were all wrong.

Remember Nick Sandmann. Remember when the internet was nothing but what he should have done, what he should be doing, what "you,me,we,they" would do in the same situation. They were all wrong.

Same with GS guy. Let's not feed the flames with speculation.


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The guy with the blown arm supposedly had a pistol in that hand, even held onto it for a while after he was shot.


This is a good "read the thread" moment. There are photos of the man holding his pistol on earlier pages. FWIW.




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BB61, non of us were actual mall security, I should have said "acting like non paid mall security" to be clear.


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As I said last night, the people out there are too young.


They are young because only the young can be whipped up to outrage so easily and with such wild-eyed volatility. They are easy to manipulate with their youthful arrogance and limited perspicacity. They need only have their minds poisoned and put into mobs where they feel safe and strong. Amp up the emotion and voila!.....instant Bolshevik revolution. The real Marxist revolutionaries are safe behind the lines pulling strings and writing checks.



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Im baffled as to why this is...

Do they think that cracking down on rioters would be bad for their political careers as progressive twatwaffles or do they think that the violence and chaos helps the Demon-Rats overall?

Or is it as simple as they are just spineless cowards?

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Originally posted by sdy:
DEM governors and DEM mayors - as guilty as the Antifa and BLM mobs that are looting, burning buildings and beating people.


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