I have been reading that commercial insurance policies may not cover civil unrest or "acts of war". Is there any truth to this? With the left screaming "it's only property" and "they have insurance" I feel this might be a big deal.

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commercial insurance policies may not cover civil unrest or "acts of war".

"civil unrest" is probably covered, but it's a matter of interpretation:

The War Risk Exclusions
War risk exclusions generally bar coverage for damages resulting from “war, invasion, civil war, revolution, insurrection or warlike operations, whether there be a declaration of war or not.”10
Most property insurance policies include act-of-war clauses in their exclusions. The exclusion will commonly provide as follows:
We will not pay for loss or damage caused directly or indirectly by any of the following. Such loss or damage is excluded regardless of any other cause or event that contributes concurrently or in any sequence to the loss. * * * War and Military Action
1.War, including undeclared or civil war;
2.Warlike action by a military force, including action in hindering or defending against an actual or expected attack, by any government, sovereign or other authority using military personnel or other agents; or
3. insurrection, rebellion, revolution, usurped power or action taken by governmental authority in hindering or defending against any of these.

http://www.cas.umt.edu/faculty...ExclusionsforWar.pdf

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Originally posted by medic451:

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Originally posted by spunk639:
These BLM AntiFa whatever fools need to be stopped with resounding force, a few hundred National Guard troops given permission to take the gloves off and this is over forthwith.

Will a couple of sweaty Norweigan guys from Wisconson with ARs do? The National Guard troops did nothing in Los Angeles except stand outside city hall for a few days.

We saw what one sweaty Norweigan did last night. He made a big impact, probably three.

His pursuers turned tail after shots were fired.

ANTIFA/BLM has been escalating things every few days since the start of the Floyd riots back in May. The attacks in Kenosha represent a major and recent escalation. ANTIFA/BLM are more aggressive and much better armed than in the past. Additionally, as noted above, they have been procuring and distributing body armor to their people.

The resistance to their attack on Kenosha by Green Shirt Guy was the first major counter to them. He succeeded in killing two and wounding one while under direct, close attack. ANTIFA/BLM cannot let his resistance go unchallenged or they will both look weak to their own side and prove that they can be stopped by a few armed patriots.

ANTIFA/BLM have been raising the stakes in this game incrementally since the beginning. I think in response to Green Shirt Guy they will raise them a lot and suddenly. Basically, I think they're going to launch a major attack with much more heavily armed forces on a specific target within the next few days. They will try to bring enough forces to bear to overwhelm any resistance by local citizens.

The police have already proven to be a non-issue for them as they are prohibited from stopping ANTIFA/BLM by the local elected authorities.

When local citizens try to stop ANTIFA/BLM from destroying their property or murdering them they will be viciously and aggressively attacked by the mob and likely engaged at range by ANTIFA/BLM shooters.

We're entering a truly hot phase where our enemy will actively try to murder us in mass numbers if we do not comply rather than simply intimidate us, beat us or rob us. People who resist will likely see their families targeted too.

Rooftop is a good position... Standing up and presenting a good target is not!

I learned that in Basic Training at Fort Ord over 60 years ago.

An earlier post asked whether all in the household were trained in defense... I am pleased to say that we are. My wife of thirty years is an accomplished shooter and will not tolerate an assault on our home or our well-being. She knows the order of arms for the numerous arms we have and I would trust her by my side more than most wanna-be’s dressed in black you see as ”protestors”.

The next skirmish won't be so civil.

The commies are down at least three not counting the one that got wasted in Texas.

They are taking losses now so their handlers are going to change tactics. It's nothing but probing to see just how far they can go and how hard the pushback will be.

They REALLY don't want to march up into a cookie cutter suburban neighborhood and start tossing molotovs. That would get out of control ugly really quick. Not even the professionals up in the commie groups want that. Yet.

Watching the rooftop Kenoshians(sp?) last night hopefully showed the usefulness of armed citizens standing their ground. Not that anyone on this forum needed that proven.

I am wondering if this will encourage people, hopefully with a bit of tactical knowledge, to stand up to be counted.

Regarding defending a position as a single shooter, in my opinion it cannot be done unless you are willing to go all "Animal" (referring to to the fellow in FMJ). The rioters must see your power as overwhelming so they don't even entertain the though of starting shit.

I see a single shooter be pelted with stones and MCs until your abode is broken and burning....that is unless you are willing to do mag dumps into the crowd. After being on the bad side of a riot or 2 I would say it's damn near impossible to provide perimeter security and be selective on targets, hence the reason you would normally have a DMR/PS in an overwatch position.

On a side note, I truly hope those shoots from last night are ruled good, looks like at least 1-2 were but in this political climate truth means little.

With Kenosha so close, it's only a matter of time until they're back in Chicago. Possible intel says that they have another "Lootapalooza" setup for the upcoming weekend. The good thing is that anyone open carrying any type of firearm will singled out very quickly and taken into custody.

It was not quiet in Louisville last night, but handled much different.

https://www.courier-journal.co...-tuesday/5625140002/

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Originally posted by Mr. Kook:

... He succeeded in killing two and wounding one while under direct, close attack. ...

I have seen nothing showing or connecting him with the shooting of the person with a head wound, a wound apparently fatal.

Skateboard guy and handgun-to-a-rifle fight guy, I can buy, but not the hole-in-his-head guy.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by Mr. Kook:

... He succeeded in killing two and wounding one while under direct, close attack. ...

I have seen nothing showing or connecting him with the shooting of the person with a head wound, a wound apparently fatal.

Skateboard guy and handgun-to-a-rifle fight guy, I can buy, but not the hole-in-his-head guy.

Check my post in the middle of page 82 with video of the 1st shooting.

It’s truly impossible to know at this time how things will develop as far as armed confrontations. I believe much will depend upon how the ones that occur are handled by the authorities. If the people defending themselves are treated as the criminals, then the real criminals will be emboldened to escalate their acts. On the other hand as in Kenosha we still see some “I ain’t afraid of you and your gun” posturing like the guys chasing the man with the AR even after he (evidently) had fired, but once they are shot at themselves that disintegrates immediately. Thus far.

Looks like Headshot chased Greeshirt with a molotov cocktail and that is can be seen thrown toward Green shirt just before the shooting in the car lot. Here is a closer video.

https://twitter.com/stillgray/...596605952589824?s=19


These rookie war correspondents may have done a lot wrong but they have served a valuable purpose in getting the video out that shows what actually happened. The spin going on right now is what you would expect from the left and without the actual video of live events nobody would know what really happened.

Even clearer video. You can clearly see the man with no shirt chasing and attacking the guy with the rifle. He ends up getting shot in the head and dies on camera.

The guy with the rifle is definitely under attack and the attackers are using deadly force (throwing molotov cocktails seen in the last video posted).

Graphic video warning, this guy is dying on camera:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1298484404918972417

BTW, the guy that got shot was earlier filmed at the gas station taunting the people there to protect it saying, "Shoot me nigga."

https://i.imgur.com/Zv1gAuO.jpg

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Originally posted by TXJIM:
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Check my post in the middle of page 82 with video of the 1st shooting.

In that video, I saw Kyle Rittenhouse (there are claims this is "green shirt guy's" name) present, then running away. There are claims he was a runner for the group of armed citizens he was with and was carrying a medical supply bag. The direction he ran was toward the Police Bearcats that rolled up to aid the guy with the arm wound.

Further, I saw nothing but a group of rioters claiming he shot someone; however, since this crowd gathered after the shooting, and I see none present at the time of the shooting, at present I rate their assertion as unsubstantiated. I also read a claim that the person with a head wound attempted to hit Rittenhouse (I am using this name rather than "green shirt guy") with a bottle of burning liquid before getting shot. That too, is unsubstantiated.

Until Rittenhouse admits he did shoot the head wound guy, or as yet undisclosed video shows him doing so, or there is ballistic evidence showing he did so, he gets from me the assumption of innocence our system if justice is built upon.

What I will agree to is the shooting of his two assailants, skateboard guy and shot-in-the-arm guy, who were attacking him appears to be to be legitimate self-defense.

They don't even put their phones down.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by TXJIM:
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Check my post in the middle of page 82 with video of the 1st shooting.

In that video, I saw Kyle Rittenhouse (there are claims this is "green shirt guy's" name) present, then running away. There are claims he was a runner for the group of armed citizens he was with and was carrying a medical supply bag. The direction he ran was toward the Police Bearcats that rolled up to aid the guy with the arm wound.

Further, I saw nothing but a group of rioters claiming he shot someone; however, since this crowd gathered after the shooting, and I see none present at the time of the shooting, at present I rate their assertion as unsubstantiated. I also read a claim that the person with a head wound attempted to hit Rittenhouse (I am using this name rather than "green shirt guy") with a bottle of burning liquid before getting shot. That too, is unsubstantiated.

Until Rittenhouse admits he did shoot the head wound guy, or as yet undisclosed video shows him doing so, or there is ballistic evidence showing he did so, he gets from me the assumption of innocence our system if justice is built upon.

What I will agree to is the shooting of his two assailants, skateboard guy and shot-in-the-arm guy, who were attacking him appears to be to be legitimate self-defense.

Much of what you are saying is substantiated just above your post by a couple of newly posted videos. In my mind he is defending himself in the head shot shooting as well based in the videos posted on this page.

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Originally posted by braillediver:
They don't even put their phones down.

Well, they do when they get game overed.

We hate the police, but call them when we need help. Holy cats. They don’t see the filth irony?

I've watch many of the twitter videos. What stands out most to me is how quickly the supposed shooter was identified and how easy it was to piece together the events. Of course this is an expected outcome with the number of cameras recording from all angles, but it's still a stark contrast to the recent past when cameras weren't ubiquitous.

Thinking of this from a home defense situation, standing outside and making yourself obvious with a firearm to scare off the rioters may not be the best approach if you don't have a team of armed friends to back you up. BLM/Antifa are clearly not intimidated by the "good guy" with a gun, they would now have your face/description on multiple videos, and they are also bringing their own firearms. Probably best to stay completely out of sight until you have no other choice.

Oh, and don't march yourself into the center of the chaos without a good exit. Green shirt guy is lucky he didn't get dropped before he got out.