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A hundred years ago, Chicago had Elliot Ness and The Untouchables. It’s a shame city leadership isn’t interested in solving this problem. I know my agency here in Texas has gotten interest in lateral applications from CPD officers, and other interest from several other leftist states. To the boys in blue up there, good luck and God bless.


Sr_Bull, could you send me an e-mail to my address in my profile? Interested in knowing what agency you're with, I'm ex-DPD.
 
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more Chicago problems - power outages

https://abc7chicago.com/comed-...rogers-park/6365195/

Hundreds of thousands could be in the dark for days after a derecho swept across the Chicago area Monday, bringing 80 mph winds and causing widespread property damage.

A derecho is a widespread, long-lived, straight line wind storm that travels over a great distance, usually hundreds of miles.

ComEd said 388,000 customers are still without power as of 10 a.m. Tuesday, and it could take multiple days to restore service. At one point, more than 800,000 customers lost power due to the storm, ComEd said. The south suburbs were hit hardest.

ComEd said towers and substations sustained damage in the storm, in addition to the widespread damage across northern Illinois.

"This is not just about wires and poles," said Rich Negrin, spokesperson for ComEd. "With a storm this bad with this much damage, it's not just a repair job. In some of the areas that are impacted, it's actually a rebuild. We're going to rebuild areas of the grid that have been significantly damaged by the storm. And that rebuild is not just a repair, it's going to take some time."

ComEd said the vast majority of outages will not be restored until Friday, and the areas that were hardest hit may not have power until 3 p.m. Saturday.
 
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The Portland Predicament: Walking the Line Between Homeland and Domestic Security

The organized attacks at the federal courthouse in Portland are more than a localized threat to lives and property. They threaten to undermine the basic American value of equal protection under the law.

Rioters besieged the federal courthouse in Portland for weeks. As the violence escalated, federal officers from the Department of Homeland Security arrived on the scene to protect the property.

Earlier this week, after the state of Oregon agreed to provide better security for the facility, the governor jumped on Twitter and announced “the federal government has agreed to withdraw federal officers from Portland. They have acted as an occupying force & brought violence.”

This Pravda-like statement suggested that the federal government was in the wrong. It wasn’t. Not only was the action appropriate, it is completely consistent with the reason why the Department of Homeland Security was created to begin with.

Present at the Creation

The American approach to domestic security has always differed from that of most European countries. Historically, European states employed the same instruments for domestic security that they used against external threats. There were no constitutional checks and balances on the sovereign’s use of force. The same armies and spies European kings used to pummel each other could also be turned on their own people on a whim. That was a problem.

Over the course of the seventeenth century, however, the British evolved a different approach, limiting their sovereign’s ability to use military forces on British soil. Americans drew from their British roots and added some refinements. They established a constitutional order that sought to decentralize domestic security and focus federal power largely on responsibilities to deal with external enemies. This order was established in the Constitution through both the checks and balances of the branches of the federal government and the principle of federalism, parsing the responsibilities of federal authorities and states.

The American conception of domestic security made perfect sense. Freedoms were better protected by limited government and decentralized authority. States and local governments were better suited to address local public safety issues. That is why, for example, states were authorized to raise and maintain state militias—not to fight their own wars, but to help maintain public order if need be.

Those wily Americans were smart. They knew that neither America’s domestic nor its external security conditions would remain static. As America grew and changed, so would those who were out to increase the freedoms and prosperity of Americans. Thus, the constitutional order created space for America to adapt to new conditions and threats.

Democracy was definitely not meant to be a suicide pact. There would be instances where the federal government might have to reasonably get involved in domestic security. There could be disputes with or among states. States overwhelmed by threats or disasters might need assistance. There could be external enemies inside the United States—saboteurs, spies, anarchists, etc. In all of these instances, the federal government might have to intervene to protect the civil liberties of citizens and provide equal protection under the law.

The way in which Americans practiced decentralized domestic security would have to evolve but in a prudent manner consistent with the Constitution and respectful of traditions and history. And, so, the history of U.S. domestic security is one of continuity and change. Federal law enforcement, for example, evolved to deal with interstate crime. Federal authorities expanded domestic operations to respond to national security threats and civil rights enforcement.

Mostly, Americans got it right. Sometimes they got it wrong. The Woodrow Wilson administration committed many civil rights abuses during World War I. Franklin D. Roosevelt did the same during World War II. Under the Lyndon Johnson administration, overly aggressive law enforcement and intelligence officers investigating the civil rights and anti-war movements committed unlawful acts. Even when the country got off track, however, it relied on the constitutional order to bring it back into balance.

The World Changes

The terrorist attacks on 9/11 brought about one of the most dramatic changes in the American domestic security architecture: the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. But this new creation was in keeping with the tradition of continuity and change.

The Department of Homeland Security was not created of whole cloth. Rather, it was cobbled together by combining existing agencies into one department. For the most part, these agencies performed the same functions they always had, only now they were grouped under one department. The Coast Guard is a good example. Both a uniformed military service and a federal law enforcement agency, it continued in those roles after being folded into the department.

The creation of Homeland Security made sense. In the modern world, many global threats can no longer be parsed neatly into purely domestic or foreign threats. Cooperative efforts between agencies responding to foreign threats and protecting the homeland became a greater imperative. This proved important not just for dealing with transnational terrorism, but other threats like foreign meddling in U.S. elections.

Homeland Security also plays an important role in backstopping other federal agencies and states in times of crisis. We have seen this in its response to large-scale disasters such as hurricanes and pandemic. We have also seen it in security situations. In 2014, under the Obama administration, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson deployed additional officers of the Federal Protective Service to federal buildings around the country in response to a heightened threat of terrorist attack.

Portland in Crisis

Today, the department is performing not only according to its authorities under law but exactly in the manner consistent with its mission.

Claiming that the department’s law enforcement officers are an “occupying force” is a lie. They were deployed to only one city—Portland. (Additional agents briefly deployed to Seattle to deal with a potential threat, and quickly redeployed when the threat did not materialize.) The department’s Federal Protective Service has responsibility for the security of federal buildings. However, the service had only a handful of personnel available to protect federal buildings that were being attacked nightly by hundreds of rioters. Additional officers were sent for the sole purpose of protecting the building and their fellow officers.

Once deployed, these officers did not interfere with “protestors.” They did, however, have to deal with organized criminal activity intended to intimidate officials, destroy property and injure law enforcement officers. Every person they arrested, about ninety in total, were connected with criminals who attacked the building or federal law enforcement.

In performing their duties, the homeland security officers wore their regular duty uniforms; they followed established law enforcement procedures; they operated well within their legal authority.


Moreover, contra the governor’s tweet, Homeland Security did not provoke the violence. Violence in the city raged for many weeks before the officers deployed. They only deployed when there was a direct threat to federal property and officers, and local law enforcement had proved incapable of—or unwilling to—provide adequate security.

After Portland

Homeland Security is doing its job. The system, however, was not designed for them to do everything. Indeed, it cannot. The entire federal law enforcement cadre, every agency, isn’t much bigger than the police force in New York City. The federal government couldn’t police every city, even if it wanted to.

Public safety works best when federal, state, and local authorities work together. We have seen that again and again, in city after city, in crisis and disaster. The problem in Portland is that city and state officials are not working together. The attackers on the federal building, for example, have established staging areas in city parks and streets. If the city policed the areas under its jurisdiction, then the organized attacks on federal property would not be possible.

Homeland Security agreed to scale back its presence in Portland, not because it was “an occupying force,” but because the governor of Oregon agreed that the city and state would police the streets around the federal courthouse. Further, the department has said it will draw down its numbers only after the city demonstrates that it can police its own streets.

The organized attacks at the federal courthouse in Portland are more than a localized threat to lives and property. They threaten to undermine the basic American value of equal protection under the law. Of course, Homeland Security should cooperate in dealing with this threat. But the real problem is that state and local governments are not doing their part.

The solution here is not to demonize Homeland Security. Federal, state and local must cooperate to take organized crime off the streets.

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Posts: 2275 | Location: San Francisco, CA | Registered: February 16, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Shocking - chicago's leaders letting michigan ave fall.

The saddest thing was seeing rioters trash a Portillo's.
 
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/bla...ested-looting-unrest

Chicago BLM supports the looting in Chicago. It is reparations they claim and insurance will cover it.
60 million dollars in damage in Chicago.
Some criminals even brought along UHauls to load up.
Be safe Chicago LEO.

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No. It's plain old theft. Just like slavery was theft of life and produce, you are guilty of the same. You are every bit as bad as the slavers you claim to hate. You don't hate slavery. You hate that you were not the slavers.



You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier
 
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Chicago BLM supports the looting in Chicago. It is reparations they claim and insurance will cover it.


They need to stop calling it "reparations" and simply call it what it is: revenge. And they will never have their fill of it.


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^^^^^
Uhhhh...Sleepy Joe?
M. Waters
AOC and her YaYa Traveling Pants Sisters
Feel the "Bern"
Jackson-Lee
A. Green (not the singer)
H. Johnson
Feinstein
RBG
K. Harris
C. Booker
Comey
Brennan
HR & WJ C
Krimson Kenyan
Dare I say...The Bush Family

Local to my area:
Sylvester Turner
Lina Hidalgo


I suspect George H. and George H.W. will move towards the top of your list once indictments are actioned.
 
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Chicago BLM supports the looting in Chicago. It is reparations they claim and insurance will cover it.


They need to stop calling it "reparations" and simply call it what it is: revenge. And they will never have their fill of it.

But they have a right to revenge. Wink




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- Judge Learned Hand, May 1944
 
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Instead, the approved budget will cut about $3 million of the department's $400 million annual budget this year.


3/400 = 0.0075 = 0.75%.
Holy cow they wacked the heck out of that budget. Smile
Hopefully it will quell the rioters.
 
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My heart and well wishes go out to ALL the CPD officers that have to report for work. What a tough job to begin with and then knowing nobody in authority has your back would make reporting near impossible.

Many of the citizens (or maybe not)don't support you but your expected to go protect them. When shit hits and effects there little world, they are on the news wanting police protection while them and there relatives try to hurt,mam,or kill you.The Mayor and most of the two faced Alderman do the same thing until THEY are the threatened. Thank God I have,I think, the only "Republican" Alderman ( Napolitano)in the city. I would have a real hard time offering any protection for all these two faced assholes!

I feel the police should just step back and let it happen.It looks like a lost cause to go out and try to stop the anarchy.Try to do your job and your jailed or thrown under the bus. Trump should NOT send in reinforcements. As a resident of Chicago It pains me to say it but I think the whole pile of shit has to collapse under the Democratic,liberal control here and all the other cities and states that are controlled by them.Its the only way the fools that live in these areas will ever have a chance to see what they have blindly supported for many years.
Even now the fools that live here can't see it. They will need flesh in the game for reality to bite them.
During the most recent riots I waited to see how long it would take for the local news,politicians, and citizens to NOT blame the rioters.Riots Sunday/Monday morning, excuses for them on Monday evening. Blame the police, reparations justify it all. HOPELESS!

I don't feel sorry for most of the merchants that were effected. The corporations that own many of these businesses have donated hundreds of millions to BLM (excused the rioters calling any of there looting justified reparations) and other organizations that fight with our law enforcement trying to protect there property.Let them take and damage what they want then let the Insurance companies (George Soros)pay for it.

Until Law Enforcement and citizens actually see that protecting yourself or others from Imminent Grave bodily harm or death, with lethal force, will be tolerated, NOT punished,these attacks will not stop, the attackers will only continue to be emboldened.

All my 4th of July flags, flag banners and flag in LED lights will be on prominent display on my house EVERYDAY!
 
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Andy Ngo's story confirms this is a far larger conspiracy of Leftism than is being reported. This indeed is their effort to overthrow the nation by weaponizing its freedoms.


Maybe the most important revelation in this essential thread.


Concur.




 
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“Just like all appropriation bills at all levels of government, there are items that each of us might not prefer. But the big picture is we must row together, both the executive and legislative branches,” Pederson explained.
Way to go pal. This is your future. Enjoy it. But you keep rowing... Roll Eyes



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I own one of these:

https://www.airforceairguns.co...ce-Airguns-s/136.htm

The .45 version muzzle velocity is 1,000 fps, greater than a 1911 .45 ACP

Something to think about...


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https://www.fox32chicago.com/n...l-unrest-in-the-loop

Chicago police release video of looting, civil unrest in the Loop

Police released video of looting in the Loop from early Monday in an attempt to identify suspects.

The video clips show looters at Nordstrom and Nordstrom Rack locations in the Loop, Magnificent Mile and South Loop.


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https://chicago.suntimes.com/c...-lightfoot-residents

Mayor Lori Lightfoot acknowledged Tuesday that Chicago residents and businesses are justifiably “fearful” after a second round of looting she likened to “organized crime” and said she’s been “non-stop on the phone” to offer “concrete solutions” that reassure them.

"non-stop" mind you
 
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TOP.
MEN.



"If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24
 
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For our Chicago brothers fighting this, thank you for putting your asses on the line. Prayers for you to be safe.

Amen.


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https://www.fox32chicago.com/n...l-unrest-in-the-loop

Chicago police release video of looting, civil unrest in the Loop

Police released video of looting in the Loop from early Monday in an attempt to identify suspects.

The video clips show looters at Nordstrom and Nordstrom Rack locations in the Loop, Magnificent Mile and South Loop.


xxxxxxxxxxxxx

https://chicago.suntimes.com/c...-lightfoot-residents

Mayor Lori Lightfoot acknowledged Tuesday that Chicago residents and businesses are justifiably “fearful” after a second round of looting she likened to “organized crime” and said she’s been “non-stop on the phone” to offer “concrete solutions” that reassure them.

"non-stop" mind you



First and foremost: THANKS!
Seriously, thanks for the good vibes / well wishes / prayers!
Bulldog, Klusk and I really appreciate it!
I’m not in the habit of speaking for other people, but on this one, I’m sure I can.


There’s a few “behind the scenes” things that went on between lightfoot and the President of the Central Business District, Gold Coast Business Association, and a few other financial “heavy hitters” in the downtown area:
They basically called her and told her
“Bitch, get this shit under control NOW, or we’re GONE!”

Mind you, these people are responsible for about 1+ Billion (that’s with a “B”!) dollars in revenue a year.
When they talk, you listen!

So now, lightfoot is all “Uhhhh, we’re coming up with solutions...”
Because they promised her that they will close shop and head out to the suburbs, pay less in rent and taxes, and get better service from local government.


Kim Foxx the state’s Attorney is finally being held accountable for letting a lot of cases that were brought to her office go. Kimmys feet are being held to the flame!

But this is Chicago, and it’s all political, so someone has to get thrown under the bus.


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Look out, they have M1 Carbines!

 
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