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OK, I really need to ask a question on this one. Why is this a good thing? Dumping mining de rid into rivers is a bad thing, and I don't see how preventing mining companies from doing so is s job killer. Can someone explain further?

Removing mine tailings manually, but trucking them to a dump site would make jobs. Dumping toxic tailing into the river is a sure way of killing off fish and giving humans life long illnesses. If Trump allows this, that is many steps backwards and giving the democrats something legitimate to complain about.

If republicans want a super majority in 2 years, someone better talk some sense into Trump. Otherwise he is simply giving the democrats power.

I knew I wasnt the only one who thought this sounded wrong. Can any forum member offer a better explanation? This seems like bad policy we should NOT be celebrating.

Explain what you guys thought this rule did and what has been done prior to the rule being implemented in December.

Do you think it's been legal for coal companies to dump into streams and rivers all the way up until last month? What do you base this understanding on?

Probably his best tweet yet:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?...plant-south-carolina

The President arrives at about the 20 minute mark.

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President Trump at Boeing South Carolina Plant unveiling the 787

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Probably his best tweet yet:

Yep. the GDCs don't hate DJT as much as they hate the better half of America. That'd be us.

Published on Feb 16, 2017

"Brought to you by Desert Diamond: http://ddcaz.com
(AP) President Donald Trump has put the brakes on a regulation blocking coal mining debris from being dumped into nearby streams. Trump called the regulation a "job-killing rule" before he signed a measure to overturn it. Lawmakers from coal-mining states stood close by, including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va. and Sen. Shelley Moore Capito, R-W.Va. Several coal miners and energy company executives also attended the White House signing ceremony. Republicans and some Democrats argued that the rule could eliminate thousands of coal-related jobs. They said the rule also ignored dozens of existing federal, state and local regulations. The Interior Department said in December when it announced the rule that 6,000 miles of streams and 52,000 acres of forests would be protected."

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Explain what you guys thought this rule did and what has been done prior to the rule being implemented in December.

Do you think it's been legal for coal companies to dump into streams and rivers all the way up until last month? What do you base this understanding on?

Yeah, I'm guessing neither of these guys are from coal country, LOL.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.faddad5b1746

The source is the Washington Post, but this sounds bad.

During a speech at the Munich Security Conference in Germany, the Republican senator from Arizona delivered a pointed and striking point-by-point takedown of Trump's worldview and brand of nationalism. McCain didn't mention Trump's name once, but he didn't have to.

In his speech, McCain suggested the Western world is uniquely imperiled this year — even more so than when Barack Obama was president — and proceeded to question whether it will even survive.

“In recent years, this question would invite accusations of hyperbole and alarmism; not this year,” McCain said. “If ever there were a time to treat this question with a deadly seriousness, it is now.”

In case there was any doubt that this was about Trump. Here's what followed:

"[The founders of the Munich conference] would be alarmed by an increasing turn away from universal values and toward old ties of blood and race and sectarianism.”

“They would be alarmed by the hardening resentment we see towards immigrants and refugees and minority groups -- especially Muslims.”

“They would be alarmed by the growing inability -- and even unwillingness -- to separate truth from lies.”

"They would be alarmed that more and more of our fellow citizens seem to be flirting with authoritarianism and romanticizing it as our moral equivalent."

“this administration is in disarray.”

Then McCain appeared to isolate President Trump:

"I know there is profound concern across Europe and the world that America is laying down the mantle of global leadership. I can only speak for myself, but I do not believe that that is the message you will hear from all of the American leaders who cared enough to travel here to Munich this weekend. That's not the message you heard today from Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis. That is not the message you will hear from Vice President Mike Pence. That's not the message you will hear from Secretary of Homeland Security John Kelly. And that is certainly not the message you will hear tomorrow from our bipartisan congressional delegation."

"I think that the Flynn issue obviously is something that shows that in many respects this administration is in disarray and they've got a lot of work to do," Mr McCain said.


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This is a really shitty speech. video at link
(The words about "the West" are ok, it is his cheap snarky shots at Trump that make it bad)

This from a politician who wouldn't take the fight to Obama in 2008


and remember - this is the speech that McCain was so eager to give that he did not attend the Senate confirmation session for Pruitt (EPA). Even knowing that Collins was going to vote against Pruitt and every vote was important.

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This is a really shitty speech. video at link

As expected. He won re-election in 2016, so he is free to be the extreme liberal he really is. A couple of years before he's up for election again, he will pretend to be an uber-conservative and Arizona voters will fall for it...Again...and he will continue to be elected until he either dies or decides not to run again.

He relishes being portrayed as a maverick in the media. He forgets how they turned on him after he won the nomination for president, but he just craves their attention and adulation and will do anything to get it.

Attacking Trump ensures he will be portrayed as a hero in the media.

Hey, Mac, thanks for your service, now GTFO.

McCain has an uncanny knack for showing that he doesn't have it. You know, the ability to lead or think as a leader.

Let me get this straight. McCain goes to foreign soil ravaged by the influx of unbridled and non-vetted immigrants and he denigrates President Trump as a leader?

And, while delegitimizing our President, he tells Germans and the world that better leaders are Pence and Mattis. The man has no concept of what it is to put together and lead a strong, diverse team.

Does anyone really believe that McCain is in any way America's path to world leadership or even knows what that might look like? Sheesh.

McCain just may turn into being mostly a heckler. He does vote in the Senate and I bet he'll find a time to be an obstructionist ass.

The Deep State Targets Trump



By Patrick J. Buchanan

When Gen. Michael Flynn was forced to resign as national security adviser, Bill Kristol purred his satisfaction, “If it comes to it, prefer the deep state to the Trump state.”

To Kristol, the permanent regime, not the elected president and his government, is the real defender and rightful repository of our liberties.

Yet it was this regime, the deep state, that carried out what Eli Lake of Bloomberg calls “The Political Assassination of Michael Flynn.”

And what were Flynn’s offenses?

In December, when Barack Obama expelled 35 Russian diplomats, Flynn spoke to the Russian ambassador. He apparently counseled the envoy not to overreact, saying a new team would be in place in a few weeks and would review U.S.-Russian relations.

“That’s neither illegal nor improper,” writes Lake.

Vladimir Putin swiftly declared that there would be no reciprocal expulsions and U.S. diplomats and their families would be welcome at the Kremlin’s Christmas and New Year’s parties.

Diplomatic crisis averted. “Great move … (by V. Putin),” tweeted Trump, “I always knew he was very smart.”

But apparently, this did not sit well with the deep state.

For when Vice President Pence told a TV show that Flynn told him that sanctions did not come up in conversation with the Russian ambassador, a transcript of Flynn’s call was produced from recordings by intelligence agencies, and its contents leaked to The Washington Post.

After seeing the transcript, the White House concluded that Flynn had misled Pence, mutual trust was gone, and Flynn must go.

Like a good soldier, Flynn took the bullet.

The real crime here, however, is not that the incoming national security adviser spoke with a Russian diplomat seeking guidance on the future president’s thinking. The real crime is the criminal conspiracy inside the deep state to transcribe the private conversation of a U.S. citizen and leak it to press collaborators to destroy a political career.

“This is what police states do,” writes Lake.

But the deep state is after larger game than General Flynn. It is out to bring down President Trump and abort any move to effect the sort of rapprochement with Russia that Ronald Reagan achieved.

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For the deep state is deeply committed to Cold War II.

Hence, suddenly, we read reports of a Russian spy ship off the Connecticut, Delaware and Virginia coasts, of Russian jets buzzing a U.S. warship in the Black Sea, and Russian violations of Reagan’s INF treaty outlawing intermediate-range missiles in Europe.

Purpose: Stampede the White House into abandoning any idea of a detente with Russia. And it appears to be working. At a White House briefing Tuesday, Sean Spicer said, “President Trump has made it very clear that he expects the Russian government to … return Crimea.”

Is the White House serious?

Putin could no more survive returning Crimea to Ukraine than Bibi Netanyahu could survive giving East Jerusalem back to Jordan.

How does the deep state go about its work? We have seen a classic example with Flynn. The intelligence and investigative arms of the regime dig up dirt, and then move it to their Fourth Estate collaborators, who enjoy First Amendment immunity to get it out.

For violating their oaths and breaking the law, bureaucratic saboteurs are hailed as “whistleblowers” while the journalists who receive the fruits of their felonies put in for Pulitzers.

Now if Russians hacked into the DNC and John Podesta’s computer during the campaign, and, more seriously, if Trump aides colluded in any such scheme, it should be investigated.

But we should not stop there. Those in the FBI, Justice Department and intelligence agencies who were complicit in a conspiracy to leak the contents of Flynn’s private conversations in order to bring down the national security adviser should be exposed and prosecuted.

An independent counsel should be appointed by the attorney general and a grand jury impaneled to investigate what Trump himself rightly calls “criminal” misconduct in the security agencies.

As for interfering in elections, how clean are our hands?

Our own CIA has a storied history of interfering in elections. In the late ’40s, we shoveled cash into France and Italy after World War II to defeat the Communists who had been part of the wartime resistance to the Nazis and Fascists.

And we succeeded. But we continued these practices after the Cold War ended. In this century, our National Endowment for Democracy, which dates to the Reagan era, has backed “color revolutions” and “regime change” in nations across what Russia regards as her “near abroad.”

NED’s continued existence appears a contradiction of Trump’s inaugural declaration: “We do not seek to impose our way of life on anyone.”

The president and GOP should get out front here. Let Congress investigate Russia meddling in our election. And let a special prosecutor run down, root out, expose and indict those in the investigative and intel agencies who used their custody of America’s secrets, in collusion with press collaborators, to take down Trump appointees who are on their enemies lists.

Then put NED down.

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McCain has been clinging to his service history the same way an idiot savant must cling to their talent. Hes such a tired old establishment bastard, I really dont care. Fuck that guy.

It's way past time for McCain to retire from public life.

McStain is still upset he didn't win the 2008 election. Sorry asshole, Trump won his Presidential election.

New York Times; The Left Is Alarmed by Donald Trump’s Reach for Union Voters

Union leaders and progressives are increasingly worried that President Donald Trump will bring a large number of private-sector union members — and some union leaders — into his populist Republican Party, according to the New York Times.

Some unions, even if traditionally Democratic, have aims that align with Mr. Trump’s stated priorities: building infrastructure, rewriting trade agreements, blocking an exodus of jobs. But union leaders are in many cases scrambling to get in step with members who responded to his pro-worker rhetoric — and to tap into that energy.

The dynamic was on display earlier this week, when some employees at Boeing’s South Carolina facilities, which Mr. Trump visited Friday, spoke of a rising feeling of empowerment tied to the president’s posture and cited it as a factor in their vote for a union. (The union vote failed.) …

Progressives have groused that some blue-collar unions are willing to sell their souls for a few thousand jobs. They say that members who enthuse about the president’s ostensible victories for workers, like his efforts to block the manufacturer Carrier from sending jobs to Mexico from Indiana, are utterly blinkered. “Trickle-down economics dressed in populist garb is still trickle-down economics,” wrote Robert B. Reich, labor secretary under President Bill Clinton.

In November, Trump won large slices of support from the unions; membership, especially among the skilled workers in the industries that stand to gain from Trump’s “Buy American, Hire American platform. For example, a union leader with the Communications Workers of America estimated Trump won votes from a third of the union’s members.

That’s great for Trump’s ballot-box score, but it also causes heartburn for the GOP’s Chamber of Commerce wing, which is pushing hard for “right to work” laws that reduce the union’s clout and are still pushing for open-trade rules with low-wage foreign producers.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...eaches-union-voters/

McCain is just showing his age and his lack of clear thinking has let the cat out of the bag on where he really stands. He had better get out of the way or just go lay down on the track and get run over.

Here is President Trumps weekly address:

https://www.facebook.com/White...t=20170217_FB_WA_WK4

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Explain what you guys thought this rule did and what has been done prior to the rule being implemented in December.

Do you think it's been legal for coal companies to dump into streams and rivers all the way up until last month? What do you base this understanding on?

Yeah, I'm guessing neither of these guys are from coal country, LOL.

I did not watch the video, just commenting off of what 1895 said.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

Explain what you guys thought this rule did and what has been done prior to the rule being implemented in December.

Do you think it's been legal for coal companies to dump into streams and rivers all the way up until last month? What do you base this understanding on?

Yeah, I'm guessing neither of these guys are from coal country, LOL.

I did not watch the video, just commenting off of what 1895 said.

There are extremely onerous and vigorously enforced standards already in place, almost to the point of making it unprofitable to even attempt to mine coal.

These last minute regulations the Obama admin tried to put in at the last minute in December would have made it virtually impossible to even get a permit, let alone actually mine any coal. That was the intent of the new rules - the last shot in Obama's publicly stated war on coal.

This resolution just undid those rules rushed thru in December, not ALL the other rules already prohibiting polluting rivers and streams.

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New York Times; The Left Is Alarmed by Donald Trump’s Reach for Union Voters

Union leaders and progressives are increasingly worried that President Donald Trump will bring a large number of private-sector union members — and some union leaders — into his populist Republican Party, according to the New York Times.

Most of those progressives don't give a damn about the working person, someone who actually gets their hands dirty. I have dealt with many of the progressives here in Cali, and if you do blue collar work they tend to sneer at you and look down at you. I can see the progressives losing much of their momentum now that BO is no longer able to push their agenda.

On the coal issue, now I understand. BO was trying to finish shutting the industry down.

I think people forget that it's not just the miners impacted. I have friends who work for the railroad, not to mention machinists, mechanics, engineers, truck drivers, single moms working in restaurants in these mining towns, etc who are impacted by this war on coal. It has a tremendous trickle down effect and it's not an exaggeration to say the past 8 years have been an economic depression in the Appalachians.